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Posted on 04-Jun-2003 10:51 GMT by Mikey_C122 comments
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Came across this. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=login&p_lang=english&p_d=trmk * Select "NEW USER FORM SEARCH (Basic)" Type Pegasos, search, then repeat for MorphOS May explain Genesi's move to Atari

Good Luck to them. Pegasos Machines are good systems, they deserve a better opportunity and as some of the Genesi supporters are saying, Atari is a bigger brand.

TradeMark infringement? : Comment 51 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 04-Jun-2003 16:07 GMT
AROS should keep what they have and not try to confuse the difference between the troubled waters of the Amiga trademark history and their own non troubled waters.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 52 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 04-Jun-2003 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (dammy):
>I've already made the suggestiong that they hold off their logo contest for
>awhile longer. LOL!

No way dammit!
I don't want to have wasted those couple of hours I could have been studying for my exams ;)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 53 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 04-Jun-2003 16:14 GMT
I should have added to my previous post that in doing a search at the USPTO for the trademark Amiga brings up enough results that to correctly describe AROS under the Amiga Trademark my be problemmatic.

AROS does not fit the description Amiga Inc had, Does not fit the Description Gateway has and I don't recall the description Commodore has.

So what of the "Live" Status of Commodore and Gateway?

What of the world scope of AROS dev.?

Did anyone do a trademark search for AROS?

Does AROS still need to use the (tm) mark in reference to "Amiga"?

etc...
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 54 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 04-Jun-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (3seas):
>I should have added to my previous post that in doing a search at the USPTO for
>the trademark Amiga brings up enough results that to correctly describe AROS
>under the Amiga Trademark my be problemmatic.
>
>AROS does not fit the description Amiga Inc had, Does not fit the Description
>Gateway has and I don't recall the description Commodore has.

AROS is software, isn't it?
A search for AmigaOS returns nothing, nor does a search for any of the AmigaOS parts (that are supposed to be trademarked).

>So what of the "Live" Status of Commodore and Gateway?

The Commodore TM itself is DEAD. I guess that invalidates the Commodore Amiga TM.

>Did anyone do a trademark search for AROS?

Let me guess, it's hard for you to hit the search button? :p

>Does AROS still need to use the (tm) mark in reference to "Amiga"?

Minor concern IMO.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 55 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 04-Jun-2003 16:42 GMT
USPTO findings for AROS turned up 9 (vs. 21 on Amiga)

There were no descriptions on teh AROS trademark that would conflict with AROS as in "Amiga(tm) Research Operating System." or as in am "OS"

However.... It may be possible to again use "Amiga(tm) Replacement Operating System" ....

Of course all this does bring up the question about AOS4.0....

What confusion will happen should such trademark suddenly represent something else?

etc...

To pickup the Amiga trademark name...... what benefits vs. what headaches ...???

Don't we already know of "name followers" intelligence level???? do you really want such following AROS?

AROS sounds more male than the female AMIGA

IP bitch slapped......

:)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 56 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 04-Jun-2003 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (T_Bone):
Amiga's attorneys have a database of our trademarks and filed patents. According to their records the Amiga trademark is still in force, and in no way has died. They are checking into why it is showing this way in the database to which you are referencing.

This much is certain, even if the lawyers did "screw the pooch," so-to-speak, there is a 'common law' rule of trademark law in the US that protects us anyways.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 57 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 04-Jun-2003 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Ray A. Akey):
So Ray, if I understand correctly, what you are saying in short is

Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah! :)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 58 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Jun-2003 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Ray A. Akey):
Well the whole TM issue is a big joke anyway. EVEN if Genesi would have a chance to buy them, it doesn't mean they could use them.

At least some people have had a good laugh out of this.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 59 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by BuckLosesAgain? on 04-Jun-2003 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Ray A. Akey):
So, when are Amiga going to go after bbrv and company for trademark infringement? I can't believe bbrv put his foot in it again. jejeje!
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 60 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 04-Jun-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (BuckLosesAgain?):
>So, when are Amiga going to go after bbrv and company for trademark infringement?
>I can't believe bbrv put his foot in it again. jejeje!

As soon as Fleecy & Bill have earned enough money playing they're banjo on the street to pay off their debts and hire a lawyer.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 61 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 04-Jun-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray.. And you expect people here to belive single word you write after all this ???
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 62 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 04-Jun-2003 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (JoannaK):
JoannaK

I don't care what you believe. Just remember where you heard it first. LOL

..and they call Amiga followers blind? bahaha.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 63 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Jun-2003 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Ray A. Akey):
You really haven't gotten it.. it's just a JOKE by Buck .. and a bloody freaking funny one may I add :)

Relax.. nobody's following anyone.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 64 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 04-Jun-2003 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Ray A. Akey):
So to try and down the Genesi trademark infringement issue in white noise Bill applies to register the Amiga trademark ( despite the fact that one is already active ) as a publicity stunt.

Interesting chess move, but apart from giving the silly division club something to crow about it won't achieve anything tangible.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 65 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 04-Jun-2003 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
Well put. Now how about some of you that are taking this seriously start to learn from Hooligan/DCS's example.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 66 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 04-Jun-2003 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveP):
You mean Bill Buck hasn't taken over Amiga and Atari in the same day?!

;-)

Ian :-)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 67 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Jun-2003 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray, are any of those chairs with casters decent enough to bid on? ;P

Dammy
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 68 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by mayonaise on 04-Jun-2003 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (bbrv):
"http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=352&forum=3"

Damn that site gives me the creeps, it looks like the sort of site ran and used by closet homosexuals, guys/gals that couldn't get laid in a brothel with n gold bars on their person and 14 year olds. Seriously, sort it out, for a community of 600 you ain't half giving off a lot of camp vibes.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 69 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (mayonaise):
I think the word you were looking for are leeches, that's how i sometimes feel about this whole mess :(

Cheers
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 70 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by mayonaise on 04-Jun-2003 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Amon_Re):
Nah, they words I was looking for were "Get out more!"
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 71 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (mayonaise):
But it's dark outside! ;)

Cheers
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 72 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Amon_Re):
Just before someone starts flaming me, i'm not implying that the whole MOS community are leeches, i wasn't talking about Genesi & their users alone, i'm talking about the whole BS community that's here online, including me.

But in the basis, MOS does "leech" from AOS, in that it uses the exsisting applications for AOS to further itself.
This in itself is not something bad, but the whole BS arround the "camps" is getting on my nerves

Side A announces something, Side B tries to break it off, and vice versa.
I know i'm not a supporter of MOS, and the chances i'll be one are rather slim in its current form, and i should be allowed to say so, and if someone asks why, i will awnser them. And i don't mind people saying that they think MOS is better then AOS, aslong as they are willing to discuss it with reason.

That's what's missing most in the fcked up community, *REASON* For fcks sake, we're all adults here (or close to being an adult) it's time we start behaving as such.

I know some of you don't like me, and i won't start calling you names for that, it's your opinion after all, but for once, can we leave the childish behaviour at the door?

Cheers
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 73 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Jun-2003 20:11 GMT
We're at gay-insults already? Boy do some people lack imagination..that was so 90s
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 74 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (hooligan/dcs):
If i'm not mistaking the term closet-gays doesn't really refer to gay people, but to people with alot of envy and/or feelings, but whom are afraid to express them.

I could offcourse be wrong

Cheers
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 75 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (3seas):
> It may be possible to again use "Amiga(tm) Replacement Operating System" ....

Or "Amiga Open Source", AOS :-p
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 76 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (hooligan/dcs):
> Well the whole TM issue is a big joke anyway.

Of course it is! This is a "well, let's fill in those forms and see what happens" thing, everybody should be able to see that! Something to talk about for a while, nothing more!
:-)

But then, you never know ... ;-)

> At least some people have had a good laugh out of this.

:-)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 77 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (DaveP):
@ DaveP

I think you are taking this way too serious! :-)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 78 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jun-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ian Shurmer):
> You mean Bill Buck hasn't taken over Amiga and Atari in the same day?!

Talk about "Blitz Krieg" :-)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 79 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 04-Jun-2003 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Amon_Re):
For me, the leeches are in the AI. But I think I understand what you are thinking there... MOS is operating in the same community as OS4 does. Whatever, I dont understand why people are so emotional. Sometimes ANN looks like we are in WW III.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 80 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 04-Jun-2003 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (itix):
Emotional isn't the word i'd use, the better word is irational.

I think i've done my darnest best to explain my views, and i have no problems per sé with MOS's existance, but i give up, this community is to far gone to be salvageble.

Partly because of Ainc, but certainly also due to Bill Buck & his company, he's got amuch a share in destroying the community.

Oh well, if AOS4 fails, and AROS stalls to long, there's always linux & perhaps OpenBeos, or i might just toss out computers alltogether & start a farm.

Amon_Re
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 81 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 05-Jun-2003 00:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Amon_Re):
> Oh well, if AOS4 fails, and AROS stalls to long, there's always linux &
> perhaps OpenBeos, or i might just toss out computers alltogether & start a
> farm.

At least you don't lack vision.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 82 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Megol on 05-Jun-2003 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (takemehomegrandma):
>> You mean Bill Buck hasn't taken over Amiga and Atari in the same day?!

>Talk about "Blitz Krieg" :-)

Hmm it would be easier to combine those two names into one new: Amtari Computers... Sounds pretty cool to me ;-P
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 83 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 05-Jun-2003 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Megol):
I was going to say AmTari... :-o
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 84 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Jun-2003 09:54 GMT
@Mikey_c

I was told my reply to you was deleted only a few minutes after I deleted my account at amigaworld.net, and now I see it has been.

I bet my trousers it was you.

If there is ANY decency left in you, put it back.

Coward.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 85 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (hooligan/dcs):
What are you on about?

Mikey_C can't delete msgs at amigaworld.net
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 86 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Jun-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
Not necessarily by himself.. one can always ask a favour from friends.
And it's settled now.. "anonymous" (=nick turns to Anonymous after account deletion) posts are forbbidden and deleted
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 87 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 05-Jun-2003 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (hooligan/dcs):
So you're going to apologise then, right?
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 88 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey_C on 05-Jun-2003 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (hooligan/dcs):
heh

Hooligan this is paranoid.

No I didn't ask anyone for any favours, since my post, I have been away writing a feature on mac emulation for Total Amiga Magazine, for which I don't get paid. I still haven't finished it, but I thought I'd take a break. I come back and read that your post here, mentioning a post which I haven't seen, has been deleted at AW. Turns out you deleted your account. Don't blame me for that. I had nothing to do with it.

I honestly do not know what the fuss is about, all I wrote was that the Pegasos name is a TradeMark for Deutche Telecom, I was pointing out that it was a breach of TradeMark. That's all.

Of course, the Amiga bit made it loose it's edge, but I'm not worried about that anyway

I stated in my original post that the Pegasos is a nice piece of Kit, indeed, where it not for:

The Pegasos not being able to run os4 I would have considered it. if Genesi can legally work out a licensing scheme for OS4 with Amiga I may indeed reconsider as soon as finances permit

I an also not very happy about the way Bill Buck does business, I would much rather he concentrates on his side of the business than continueosly keep putting Amiga down. I also object to being called a moron because I publicly supported Hyperion.

I was annoyed this morning, because I logged on to AW and there you were asking me to apologise for posting the truth here on ANN i.e. the TradeMark infringement.

It's all very well when negative posts against Amiga inc, Hyperion, Eyetech, AmigaOne, OS4, Fleecy, Bill McEwen, Ben Hermans, Mike Bouma, AmigaWorld and now myself are posted all over the shop by people with an anti-amiga agenda.
However when a posts appears with a negative slant on Genesi or it's products, that's not allowed. Obviously. It's not playing cricket is it?

One must not so much as utter one word of criticsm against Genesi because otherwise their followers will hunt you down wherever you go. As was the case on AW this morning.

No I will not apologise for my post on ANN, I didn't mention you in my original post, nor did I mention any individuals. I mentioned Morphos and Pegasos, no names no individuals. I don't feel I have anything to apologise for.
After all, I have yet to hear an apology from the other side of the water.

I was very much surprised to see you and a few fellow comrades asking for my head on AW this morning. Am I just supposed to sit there and not answer?

Finally, as I stated earlier, I did not ask for your posts to be removed. If you don't want to believe me, fine, that's your choice, but I give you my word on this matter.

Excuse me I have an article to finish

Mikey C
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 89 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 05-Jun-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Mikey_C):
@Mikey_C

I totally agree.

>> One must not so much as utter one word of criticsm against Genesi because otherwise their followers will hunt you down wherever you go. As was the case on AW this morning.

Just ask Mike B :-) Not only was it their followers, but also their employees...

Ian
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 90 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Jun-2003 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Mikey_C):
I wish you managed to read my comment before it was deleted. I was being straightforward, answered and commented your reply with good manners and valid points. Also I did get the fuck out from aw as you suggested.

I dont know if you did ask someone to do a favour or not. If I am correct, its ok as I will not visit the site again. And if I am wrong, im sorry and its ok too, as I will not visit the site again.

I think me leaving will be a nice compromise.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 91 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Jun-2003 12:50 GMT
BTW, there are now about 150 Anon post on aw.net .. moderators will have jolly good time removing all of them.
Happy hunting :)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 92 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 05-Jun-2003 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (hooligan/dcs):
@Hooligan

Too bad you're leaving AW. You have plenty of good comments. You really shouldn't
listen to MikeyC, his sentiment is not shared by others- not by me at least. And
at any rate, his argumentation in that post was beyond childish. But he's human
too I suppose. The point is, you shouldn't buckle from a single comment.

(I would have sent you a PM, but you had deleted the account, so it was a tad
difficult).
.
SlimJim
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 93 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 05-Jun-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (SlimJim):
> Too bad you're leaving AW. You have plenty of good comments. You really shouldn't
> listen to MikeyC, his sentiment is not shared by others- not by me at least.

I wouldn't bother. it looks like the thread was allowed to continue as long as it was anti-Genesi, but was locked (with one last Anti-genesi post by MikeB) as soon as it was pointed out that it was MikeyC, not BillB, that started the mess. There were some very good posts by DaveP, SlimJim(?) and others in there, but the conversation was stifled shortly after.

It's very frustrating to participate in a forum like that. it's abundantly clear that even constructive discussion isn't allowed if it's two-sided.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 94 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 05-Jun-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (T_Bone):
@T-bone

You know Im getting so used to people just being nasty about my posts that it was a shock to hear a compliment.

Thank you.

Dave.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 95 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 05-Jun-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (T_Bone):
@T_Bone

Fair comment, and I think the same thing is happening at Amiga.org. Read the "AMIGA lost trademark" thread (which is arguably put in the wrong place so it appears on the front page).

Why was it locked? Because Vincent made a valid point? Because some of the Amiga.org moderators are allowed to blast Amiga Inc but won't take any critcism back (no offence guys)? I have no idea, but ANN is starting to grow on me, and that's something I never thought I'd say.

Ian :-)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 96 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP@amiga.org on 05-Jun-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Ian Shurmer):
Yeah, I don't think it was on that guys post was deleted.

However the thread was getting too large on aorg, although that wasn't the reason it was locked.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 97 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jun-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (DaveP@amiga.org):
Oh and you might also ask why the MorphOS users thread was deleted... personal attacks or just a bit too embarrassing?
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 98 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 05-Jun-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (DaveP@amiga.org):
What was the reason then?

In my mind it's glaringly obvious - but then maybe I'm biased.
Ian :-)
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 99 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 05-Jun-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Ian Shurmer):
Just to add... this isn't the first time it's happened.
TradeMark infringement? : Comment 100 of 122ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jun-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Anonymous):
What thread?

Amon_Re
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