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[Forum] Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper LiberationANN.lu
Posted on 10-Dec-2003 22:03 GMT by Raffaele29 comments
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The french newspaper Liberation updated news regarding its inquiry about Pretory", the security company owned by Bill Buck. The article is obviously in french language. I found this info on amiganews.de
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 1 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 21:45 GMT
Wasn't this article posted last month.... in english?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 2 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 10-Dec-2003 21:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Yes.

The next article is coming...

R&B
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 3 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by MM on 10-Dec-2003 21:46 GMT
What's this got to do with the Amiga? (Not that I don't find Air France simply facinating [rolls eyes])
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 4 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 10-Dec-2003 22:05 GMT
I remember this article sometime ago too, that one didn't answer any basic questions either, such as:

1. Who is Pretory?
2. What did they do?
3. Why did they go bankrupt?
4. What's it go to do with Air France?
5. Why is an investigation needed? Has some wrongdoing occurred?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 5 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by yoyo on 10-Dec-2003 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (smithy):
Read again, all your questions are aswered.
bbrv, now we know where your money is coming from...

yo
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 6 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 11-Dec-2003 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (yoyo):
Right yo!

Wait until you see where the Pretory money come from before Pretory had it...;-)

R&B
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 7 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 11-Dec-2003 06:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (smithy):
smithy: How about readon company website.. Try http://www.pretory.com/ for starters. It should explain most of it.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 8 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2003 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
Sure, that's about as reliable as asking Fleecy for the current status of amiga inc. Face it, all you people with phree boards, there's no such thing as a phree lunch. The money for your "phree" boards (as well as the development money for the Pegasos I, do you think 600 boards @ $300 each paid for that?)came out of the training budget and salary of many airport security people, which makes them inexperienced and unmotivated, not two qualities you want to see in someone who's making sure no bad people get into the plane with you. But it doesn't matter because those people weren't working for amiga inc. I hope you lot feel really safe if you're flying anywhere near france.

I pray that nothing bad will happen, but if it does, I'd like all you Pegasos I owners to know you have blood on your hands. You didn't know when you bought them, but now you do. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 9 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2003 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Oh, and before I'm just dismissed as a red troll... I don't give a crap for billyboy's antics. Come tomorrow they'll get their just desserts. But it truly SICKENS me to see airport security money being squandered that way, especially after current world events. I'd understand if it was just the French (they're no friends of the USA), but Bill Buck used to be a UNITED STATES SOLDIER! The man truly has NO HONOR.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 10 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2003 08:52 GMT
@ Anonymous

So tell us, who gave Pretory its money?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 11 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Dec-2003 09:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
An anonymous coward wrote:

>I'd understand if it was just the French (they're no friends of the USA)

Yes, you are right, they are not friends, they are simply just ALLIES...

So it is plain clear who rules into the alliance from your point of view uhu?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 12 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Dec-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Also the anonymous coward wrote:

>but Bill Buck used to be a UNITED STATES SOLDIER!

Do you think this fact makes a person automatically a man or a gentleman?

:-))))))

How childish...

Is not the uniform... is the man inside who acts as an human being.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 13 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 11-Dec-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Raffaele):
>>but Bill Buck used to be a UNITED STATES SOLDIER!
>Do you think this fact makes a person automatically a man or a gentleman?
>How childish...
>Is not the uniform... is the man inside who acts as an human being.

Its one possibility to be taught honor and respect but some people are innately immune to any attempt.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 14 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Dec-2003 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
Mr Bill Buck wrote:

>Right yo!
>
>Wait until you see where the Pretory money come
>from before Pretory had it...;-)


Sure you deserve a chance to defend yourself.

We only read an article on a newspaper and heard only voices from one side...


Newspaper could be right and could also report a lot of false crap.


But it is the fact the company did not perform politely the job they were hired to, that amazed us all...

Even the newspaper said that you are not guilty for the previous management because you pick the control only when the other guy was fired.

(Or so it seems)

But from that moment you were fully responsible, you still could keep the contract with air-france saving Pretory...

...while you lost that precious client...


And then there is also that strange story of money running from a fiscal paradise to another...

Again it seems not your guilty...

Even if you were into the management you could be badly swindled by the previous president

(It is not the first time that things like that used to be)

And sure that one was a lesson vey bad for you to learn!


But is the fact it seems you made nothing to save Pretory that leaves us uncertain:

To keep your money back, letting Pretory to sink, this fact seems unpolite...

(By the way, if in your shoes, even I had trying to get back my investments and leave whole ship its destiny)

Ciao,

Raffaele
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 15 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 11-Dec-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Actually.. that web site only answers couple of those questions (what pretory is and what is does).. Rest are still a bit mystery. BBRV have made told their side of story in ann.lu. I can't read French so those newspapers ain't much good to me.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 16 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 11-Dec-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
>Oh, and before I'm just dismissed as a red troll...

Don't worry, you'll be dismissed as "Just another anonymous user"...
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 17 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 11-Dec-2003 14:07 GMT
It is very hard for me to take this kind of criticism personally, particularly when associated with disrespect for my Country and for the U.S. Army which I so proudlly served on active duty for six years as an Infantry Officer in Airborne and Ranger units from 1981 to 1987. Afterwards, I served in the reserves. I am a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point and hold a degree in Aerospace Engineering.

The speculation here and in places like the OS4 mailing list from people none other than Ben Hermans himself leaves me sad. The is a legal process ongoing in France. There are both commercial and criminal cases. There is not one case against us personally. We have no restriction to come and go in France and our apartment in Paris is warm and waiting for us. The rumors being battered about here and in the French Press about me personally are based based on speculation and not fact. It would be easy for anyone to investigate the year end numbers from Pretory S.A. for 2002. One will note that while there has been an investment from Pretory S.A. in Thendic-France there has been a corresponding investment from Pretory USA in Pretory S.A. We organized these funds. This seems to have gone unnoticed for the moment, but will be more clear soon. The highlights of the article have more to do with others and not me or us. We invested in Pretory. We did not manage it. We were obligated as shareholders to try to fix the situation when the problems were detected. We did our best. We are not the criminals here. The French management was and will be found increasingly guilty for the problems that were created. This is discussed in the article. There are also other threads about this same subject. We have answered all the questions directly and without hesitation (when possible given the judicial procedures ongoing).

Finally, we have been in New York and now California for some time for very productive reasons. The future is very bright for Genesi, the Pegasos, and MorphOS. The details concerning many of these activities will become public next week. Perhaps, the "rest of the story" will be circulating in the French media then too.

Sincerely,
Bill Buck
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 18 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (bbrv):
and in places like the OS4 mailing list from people none other than Ben Hermans himself leaves me sad.
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i see no "speculation" by ben hermans on the os4 list ?
and why do you have access to the os4 mailinglist ?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 19 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 11-Dec-2003 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
FFS!!!

What difference does it make whether someone was a soldier or not? NEWSFLASH: soldiers are just ordinary human beings, with no better concepts of honour, decency or truth than anyone else.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 20 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Dec-2003 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (bbrv):
Mr Bill Buck wrote:

>It is very hard for me to take this kind of criticism personally,
>particularly when associated with disrespect for my Country and
>for the U.S. Army which I so proudlly served on active duty
>for six years as an Infantry Officer in Airborne and Ranger
>units from 1981 to 1987.

Actually there is only disrespect from an anonymous coward (msg. 9) regarding the country of France...

That person stated that there is no importance if there could be terrorist strikes in that country because France is not a "friend" of the United States of America...

A very stupid thought, when thinking of terrorism and victims.

Again I consider him a very stupid people, because we all know there is no attrites between the French and the American people who respect each other...

Two nations not only friends in the events of history, not only friends at present time, but also proud members of same alliance.

(And note the sarcasm in my answer to that insane dude)...

Diplomatically speaking what did happen regarding Iraqi facts before the war was only "a divergence in opinions" between the two governments.

You Bill, can testimony the friendship between french and american people, because you used to live there in europe many years, and you also had your job there.


Again that person believe that a uniform...

(no matter what nation it belongs the colors of that uniform)

...is the passport to became a gentleman.

:-))))))))))))

(And also he stated that YOU have no honour, attacking you personally...

...a childish behaviour, because no one is guilty until a judgement will

correctly prove that)

The fact that an uniform, even the well respected uniform of the United States Military Services could change a man, is very far from reality.

The honour is a prize to be conquered on the field...

(not necessary on a battlefield, but on every duty it requires the events to wear officially that uniform)

Mr. Ketzer (msg. 13) infacts understood perfectly what I said...

And again you Bill could testimony (because you have military experience by serving the army)...

that among the whole of honest people who served bravely United States...

...a certain number of dumb a**es and di**heads are unfortunately present in that army, like it uses to be in the military services of every nation...

As I said in msg 12, is not the uniform, it is the man inside acting as a human being who made the difference...

An army is an institution like others, the number of bad people in that institution is proportional to the number of bad people towards the whole population.

Ciao,

Raffaele
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 21 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Dec-2003 16:28 GMT
Well, regarding the honor to wear well respected uniforms, take a look at this one!

And if you are courious here is link to whole story!
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 22 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 11-Dec-2003 18:13 GMT
Egads, how low will you go? You might as well blame me for SCO suing Linux. (I held stock in SCO until recently)

Investors are just that, investors. They invest in the company, sure, but they invest in the people too. Bill Buck invested in someone he thought he could trust. It burned him. Ya know, it happens to everyone, sad to say.

Do you blame those pensioners that lost everything when Enron went under? After all, they invested in the company, many of them very heavily. But sure, blame them, they should have known that the folk they trusted were doing something wrong. Just gut-feeling known it.

You may be able to afford living in such an ideal world, where the "bad guys" are so plainly obvious, probably wearing all black and with a long handlebar mustache to boot, but I live in a real world, where there are good and bad people everywhere. Where for every Ben from Ben and Jerrys there is a Kenneth from Enron.

I feel for Bill. To you out there it might look like Bill just lost money, but I know Bill better than that. He cares about his staff. He feels horrible for each and every job that was lost there, and is probably trying his best to give them as easy a transition as possible. He probably knew each and every one of them. Knew their families.

Pretory SA was lost back in March, but he fought for months to try and salvage it. We talked about it, even bounced a few ideas, but they didn't work out, the damage from the original managment was too much. If Pretory SA was just another money-making engine for him, he could have, in March, sold it off and made his money back. He didn't.

This is the kind of man Bill Buck is, an honorable, decent man. He's the kind of man that, when my wifes paternal grandmother died back in October, not only wrote a letter to her, nor even gave me time off to attend the funeral, when I got back he made sure that both she and I were ok, and offered to help in any way he could. I've had many bosses, none of them offered to help before when something tragic happened and actually ment it. My grandmother, then my father dying shortly afterwards, and my then employer gave me the night off for the funeral and that was it.

I'm proud of being an employee of Genesi, but moreso, I'm proud to know and work with Bill Buck and the rest of the Genesi staff. It will be a highlight of my life, no matter what happens from here forward.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 23 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2003 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Nate Downes):
hm.. Nate, did you work for Genesi, or how was it again?
Cause if you do, it just looks like you're trying to be loyal.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 24 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2003 21:43 GMT
Bill Buck is vermin
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 25 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Dec-2003 14:15 GMT
Well, Thendic-France was, as you all remember, a subsidiary of
Pretory SA. So it's not strange IMO that both people here and in the
media and elsewhere suspect that a transfer from Pretory SA to Thendic
would be Pretory SA money going in the "wrong" direction, when it was
needed to pay for problems within Pretory SA. Now BBRV say that this
money was just relayed through SA from Pretory US for the purpose of
being invested in Thendic.

I'm sure the French legal system will find out what is correct, and
we'll all get to know it now that Liberation is on the case. If the
books are in order - and they should be as the "bad" management was
fired many months ago - it shouldn't take too long to find out.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 26 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 13-Dec-2003 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
# anonymous

and why do you have access to the os4 mailinglist ?

----

Didn't know before that 'anonymous' was a common nickname for people who belongs to the OS 4 mailinglist :-)

Sorry, and yes, the above can perhaps be seen (by them who want) as an attempt to flaming.
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 27 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 13-Dec-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
# anonymous :-)

Another one belongs to the OS 4 mailinglist ?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 28 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Gunne Steen):
What are you trying to say, Gunne?
Article about Pretory/Thendic France/BBRV on french newspaper Liberation : Comment 29 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 17-Dec-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
#

What are you trying to say, Gunne?

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Yes, what are I trying to say.... and where to start ?

Maybe first, Im quite sick of this 'fight' or what to call it that started up when Pegasos and AmigaOne first was about to released and seems just keeps going on... and which just take everything down to a very low and bad level...

There is something going on, with both the Pegasos and AmigaOne produced, and MorphOS released and perhaps also soon AmigaOS 4 :-)

Having mailinglist, whats the reason for this ?

Is it for having a closed room where you can talk and write as much bad as you like about others ? Why not open the doors then instead ?

Then second; When using the nickname anonymous, whats the reason for this for the poster, is it because the person posting dont want to stand behind what he/she write ?

Thats what comes to my mind as reason, and of course this also is the reason, that the writer dont want to stand behind what he writes.

Above in this forum is a thread from Rich Woods about different courtcases where the company or persons behind the company Amiga Inc seems to be involved.

A lot of anynomuous writers shows up of course, because they feel this is not good information about the company Amiga Inc.

Rich Woods seems to do a good work trying to get into this kind of dirt, and trying finding out whats going on in the court...

Be it good or bad for Amiga Inc, doesn't mind, its interresting that he tries to bring this information here.

There is also threads about Pretory like this on, if we then for also looking at 'the other company' and whats going on with that company, and by people behind.

I dont know if this post make any sense at all, because as it seems people dont want to see anything good.
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