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| Posted on 20-Jun-2004 13:11 GMT by MOSlem | 137 comments
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With this mail I want to thank everyone (bPlan, Genesi, MorphOS developer team and all the volunteers) involved into the PegasosII and MorphOS for keeping up the good old Amiga spirit and showing us the future for Amiga. Big thanks to all of you who you spent all the years onto the Amiga and finally found a new real path for the Amiga. For me as user PegasosII and MorphOS is everything that I want to see a modern Amiga should be. Quite modern and affordable Hardware, a nice clean and fast Operating System and all the developers and 3rd party people heavily supporting it. Without you the Amiga would still be a dead thing but with all you people we are happy to look forward into a nice future.
Thanks again.
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 51 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 20-Jun-2004 20:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Amon_Re):
"But i tought MOS was the reïmplementation, didn't they claim they didn't have the source code?"
Both are re-implementations if we're honest. The only difference is how much access they had to the original source, not how much of that was actually ported.
From what I hear of the original source/design, it was a shambles in many ways, and not something anyone would want to "port". You could argue that a re-implementation with access to the original source is going to be more faithful than one without, but access to the original source also makes repeating original design gaffes more likely.
Neither software platform is mature or complete and both will need many years before they can reach ruch a state. Whether the hardware platforms they're tied to will survive long enough for the operating systems to mature is debatable. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 52 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jupp3 on 20-Jun-2004 21:00 GMT | | Thank you for keeping on doing a "PPC native amiga-compatible operating system", especially when Official "AmigaOS" was announced dead by Amiga inc. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 53 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2004 21:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
What does that mean, OS4 is just vapor? ;) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 54 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jun-2004 21:09 GMT | Q: Why haven't we heard anything from OS4 zealots ?
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A1: They are still trying to install OS4.
A2: They can't run any apps because of OS crashes.
A3: After figuring out how much it sucks they committ suicide.
A4: Making themselves confortable with the ArticiaS features.
A5: ANN.lu still loads on their rats slow OS. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 55 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 21-Jun-2004 01:25 GMT | | Thats all? This was the lamest effort for a flamewar for a long, long time. Next time we all got to push it a little bit harder! |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 56 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by James Carroll on 21-Jun-2004 04:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
yeah.. I wouldnt have put a name to that opinion either, bit embarassing. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 57 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Cheesegrate on 21-Jun-2004 04:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (James Carroll):
but very amusing.. ;) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 58 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ENGCameraman on 21-Jun-2004 09:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
> Q: Why haven't we heard anything from OS4 zealots ?
A: Since we don't have anything to proove, unlike some people who are apparently so insecure that they need to constantly reassure themselves that they have made the right choice of platform for their computer hobby. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 59 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Jun-2004 09:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
Is that some OS4 vapor coming out of the chimney? ;-) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 60 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peg2 on 21-Jun-2004 09:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
A6: There are only MOS zealots... |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 61 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 21-Jun-2004 09:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Bill Hoggett):
That depends entirely on what you mean by "real". I respect that statement as your personal opinion, but I simply must deny it if your intent is to state it as a matter of fact. Please don't try to force your own subjective point of view of what is Amiga or not upon others, just accept the fact that not everyone sacrifices a lamb to the great god of Amiga every full moon. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 62 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Jun-2004 09:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill, i know, i was being sarcastic :) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 63 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Jun-2004 09:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Cheesegrate):
Not really, i've seen funnier :) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 64 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 21-Jun-2004 10:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, you've been eating the mushrooms again, since you're making no sense whatsoever. Comfort yourself with the thought that anything you don't agree with is some deluded fools opinion if you want, but no one cares.
People can tell for themselves what is fact and what is opinion without your "help", and I can't think of anyone less qualified than you to tell the difference. If ignorance was a quality you'd be a genius. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 65 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jon on 21-Jun-2004 10:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (XraalE):
Well, that's about as much information as I got from MOS developing, but I won't be running around trolling and questioning anyone's skills. Somehow I still begin to suspect you have none. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 66 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 21-Jun-2004 10:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Bill Hoggett):
I'm trying to get you to understand that not everyone agrees that "MOS is the only real AOS" and stating it as a matter of fact is not only factually wrong, but also rather provocative against those of us that prefer the one and only OS that actually has the legal right to be called AmigaOS(TM) rather than simply complying with what some people think an Amiga should or shouldn't be.
Now, you're of course fully entitled to your opinion about your preferred choice of OS, just please restrain yourself from stating your opinions as a matter of fact and provocing everyone with a different point of view than your own. I'm tired of hearing certain people complaining at those of us with AmigaOS as the preferred choice for flaming and trolling on MorphOS related threads. Comments such as yours is what attracts those trolls and flamers, you know. Keep it up if you like, just keep the consquences of your actions in mind, ok? |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 67 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ikir on 21-Jun-2004 11:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Essive):
Sorry but that comment is very funny :-) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 68 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ikir on 21-Jun-2004 11:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (XraalE):
You don't know what you're saying :-) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 69 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Felix on 21-Jun-2004 14:31 GMT | [noflame]
I have made a short review of all comments:
AOS4 rulez, No MOS rulez, No AOS4 rulez, No MOS rulez...
Your OS sux, No your OS sux, You suck, No you suck.
Your system is crap, No your system is crap....
And my conclusion:
You all are a bunch of brainless wimps, specialy the anonymouses.
[/noflame]
MOS rulez!!! |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 70 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 21-Jun-2004 14:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (Sammy Nordström):
"I'm trying to get you to understand that not everyone agrees that "MOS is the only real AOS" and stating it as a matter of fact is not only factually wrong,"
I can only surmise that you are either under the influence of intoxicating substances, suffering from a disturbed mental state, or else just plain drunk.
I've have NEVER even remotely stated or hinted that I believe "MOS is the only real AOS". If you had any reading comprehension whatsoever you'd see that the comment I made in this thread is an ironic one, taking the mickey out of those who do make such silly statements. Honestly, I think people like them and you have paper mache for brains!
For the record, read the comment I made above where I said both MOS and AOS4 are re-implementations of the original AOS. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 71 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Jun-2004 17:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, Bill never stated that MOS is the one & only AOS.
You're barking up the wrong tree here. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 72 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Jun-2004 17:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (Felix):
Hey, you forgot Hooligan's sarcastic comments & my predictions :P
And, MOS doesn't rule, only windows rules the market, sadly enough |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 73 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Serge on 21-Jun-2004 18:06 GMT | Just want thank Pegasos and MOS people for theyr excelent work. Now, I
have a real PPC amiga with a real PPC OS they are PEGASOS and MORPHOS.
GO and long life BLUE TEAM !
For other, long life to. Wy not ?
Serge |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 74 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Felix on 21-Jun-2004 18:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (Amon_Re):
>Hey, you forgot Hooligan's sarcastic comments & my predictions :P
There will be a more detailed update of my review very soon :-)
>And, MOS doesn't rule, only windows rules the market, sadly enough
Not in my world. ;-) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 75 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 21-Jun-2004 19:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Cheesegrate):
annoying more like |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 76 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jupp3 on 21-Jun-2004 22:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (Sammy Nordström):
>but also rather provocative against those of us that prefer the one and only OS that actually has the legal right to be called AmigaOS(TM)
And of course you're wrong, as usual.
Currently there are (at least) three (3) different operating systems, that "have the legal right to be called AmigaOS(TM)"
1)The REAL AmigaOS (AmigaOS running on "classic" hardware or under emulation, I could list all versions from 1.0 to 3.9, but I won't)
2)AmigaDE / Amiga Anywhere (Introduced when Amiga inc. officially "Killed" AmigaOS, as we know it)
3)Hyperion's AmigaOS 4
(I'm not sure if Amithlon / AmigaOS XL have the legal right to be called "AmigaOS(TM)", but I guess they do. Anyway, that would bring the number of "official Amigas" to 5) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 77 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Jun-2004 05:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 76 (Jupp3):
AOS 1.0 > 4.0 are AOS, plain & simple.
AmigaDE isn't called AmigaOS, they are different products.
AmigaXL & Amigaforever are bundled with AOS. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 78 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bladerunner on 22-Jun-2004 08:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Amon_Re):
nope you are wrong here.
AmigaDE was called the Amiga OS, and it was meant to replace Amiga OS we know completly..But in Snowqualmie they have changed their opinions as often as others change their underware... |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 79 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Atheist2 on 22-Jun-2004 09:14 GMT | Comment User
1 McGreg
13 Many many thank you say fygm, ugr, herwarn, youms, chisalob, opdos and adur from polish pegasos scene!
52 Jupp3
69 Felix
73 Serge
That's 11, assuming that fygm can speak on behalf of the others he mentions.
(OK, 12 including MOSlem (O=u, e=i??))
Didn't Genesi give away more phreeboards than that? |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 80 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 10:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 70 (Bill Hoggett):
>I've have NEVER even remotely stated or hinted that I believe "MOS is the only
>real AOS".
Ironic or not, you made that very statement in comment #36.
>If you had any reading comprehension whatsoever you'd see that the comment I
>made in this thread is an ironic one, taking the mickey out of those who do
>make such silly statements.
There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Reading it again, I see nothing about comment #36 that would make it clear and without doubt that your statement was ironic rather than sincere. However, if that is the case, then I'm sorry. I didn't interpret your statement as sincere and without irony on purpose.
>Honestly, I think people like them and you have paper mache for brains!
Such comment is really uncalled for. Have I insulted you in some way? If so, I'm truely sorry. That never was my intention.
>For the record, read the comment I made above where I said both MOS and AOS4
>are re-implementations of the original AOS.
AOS is not a reimplementation of itself, it is AOS, period. MOS is not a reimplementation of anything, it's an entirely new OS on it's own no matter how much similar to another OS it may seem. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 81 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jun-2004 10:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (Sammy Nordström):
A while() loop is less repeative than you... |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 82 of 137 | ANN.lu |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 83 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 11:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 82 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>You're on drugs...
Is that what you think of everyone that has a different point of view than your own? What exactly is it about my words that makes you think that I'm not sober? |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 84 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Jun-2004 11:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, you are an idiot. That's all there is to it. You claim not to insult me but insist that you know what I meant or wrote better than I do, and then proceed to lecture me on that basis.
Quite honestly, you can go an @$?% yourself if that is your attitude.
I'm quite happy to defend and justify my views to anyone, but I'm not going to defend an opinion I don't hold just because some moron insists on attributing it to me. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 85 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jun-2004 11:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (Sammy Nordström):
Ok, you really *ARE* on drugs... I didn't say I don't agree with your opinion...
I just said that you are on drugs:-) You see a very distorted image of reality,
judging from your opinion about reimplementation etc... It really means you
don't even know what it is! :-) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 86 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Jun-2004 11:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
...also more intelligent. :-D |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 87 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 11:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
If I seem repeatitive it's probably because the arguments that I'm counter arguing is beeing repeated without addressing the points I make. But you're right; what's the point if noone is listening... :-/ |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 88 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jun-2004 11:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Sammy Nordström):
Well, if that's what you think, I can't do nothing about it...
You need the "men in white"... |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 89 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jun-2004 11:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Let me explain... You seem to see the "arguements you are counter argueing" even
when they don't exist... That's why we think you're on drugs:-) |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 90 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 11:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 85 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Excuse my ignorance but, in order for something to be re-implemented, wouldn't it have to be implemented first? AFAIK, there never was any implementation of MorphOS as AmigaOS to begin with. It's an entirely new product line made by a competitor, backwards compatibility and similarity doesn't make it less so.
Furthermore, I find it rather contradictory of you to claim that you are not disagreeing with me while at the same time claiming that I have a distorted view on reality. Please say something that makes me think that I'm not wasting my time by responding to your posts... |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 91 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 11:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 86 (Bill Hoggett):
If an automated script is your definition of intelligence, then I'm proud to be less "intelligent". |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 92 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 11:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 89 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Again, if I misunderstood the intentions of the statement, I'm sorry.
Oh dear, I even have to repeat myself when I apologize... :-/ |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 93 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jun-2004 11:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 90 (Sammy Nordström):
So, you would argue that no wrapper... is a wrapper... Right?
You would argue that Wine is not a Windows API reimplementation but a new OS,
and stuff like that... right? |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 94 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Jun-2004 12:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Sammy Nordström):
No, it means that an automated script will do a better job of processing information and giving a reasonable result than you do.
You not only have a very tenuous grasp of English words and their meaning, but you can't even follow a conversation or a thread and take comments in context. If you had, you would have come to the conclusion that:
(a) comment #36 is non-sensical.
(b) comment #36 is deliberately non-sensical.
(c) comment #36 is deliberately non-sensical because it is a pisstake.
My other piece of advice is that you go and invest in a good English dictionary or use a decent on-line one. If you do that you might learn what re-implementation means, and how it has absolutely nothing to do with brand names or official approval or opinions. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 95 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Jun-2004 12:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 93 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
alkis don't bother... best we ignore, after all if someone shits in a forest, and no one is there to say how much it smells... did it really occur? |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 96 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 12:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 93 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Who's talking about wrappers and APIs? The issue at hand is wether MorphOS, as in the complete operating system, is a reimplementation of AmigaOS or not.
Who's counter arguing arguments that are not even there now? |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 97 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Jun-2004 12:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (Sammy Nordström):
I lost you there...
I mean... *WHAT*!?
"Who's talking about wrappers and APIs?"!?
MorphOS' *A/BOX* reimplements the AmigaOS APIs and wraps some others over it's
own (eg. Warp3D). THAT is what people mean when they say that MorphOS contains
a reimplementation of AmigaOS. |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 98 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 12:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 94 (Bill Hoggett):
For christ sake, I've already apologized for taking your words literary instead of realizing the ironic value of your words twice, yet you keep insulting my intelligence and question my understanding of english. What's your problem? Perhaps you would like to compare your understanding of swedish with my understanding of english?
Please stop beeing such an a**hole... |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 99 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 22-Jun-2004 13:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>THAT is what people mean when they say that MorphOS contains
>a reimplementation of AmigaOS.
Perhaps that is what they *mean*. However, the issue at hand and what I was talking about was wether MorphOS *is* a reimplementation of the AmigaOS or not, nothing else. The statement Bill Hoggett made was "both MOS and AOS4 are re-implementations of the original AOS", remember? Please not the use of "are" (as in is) rather than "contains". |
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| Thanks to everyone involved. : Comment 100 of 137 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Jun-2004 13:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 99 (Sammy Nordström):
"Please not the use of "are" (as in is) rather than "contains"."
No, you are misrepresenting my statements again. |
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