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Posted on 02-Oct-2001 19:56 GMT by Martin Heine | 233 comments View flat View list |
(Before someone again complains that I'm sharing my opinion "everywhere": I just decided to paste here what I wrote in comp.sys.amiga.misc because of Christian's call for articles.)
The article contains quick and dirty translations of comments made yesterday and today by Mr. Haage and Ralph Schmidt at amiga-news.de, since I thought non-german-speakers might be interested in this, too.
Newsgroup-article #1:
To try to compensate at least a little bit the advantages of those
Amigans who speak German (and therefore often get easier to rumours,
facts, etc., because of the importance of german companies and
individuals for the Amiga-market), I thought it might be useful to
translate a few statements made at amiga-news.de today.
While Eyetech and H&P accuse each other for the A1/AOS4-delays (one
says the hardware is missing, one says the OS4 is missing), Mr. Haage made (among others) the following comments (no warranty for the translation!):
[Mr. Haage (H) comments some rumours (R)]
H: "The interest in OS4.0 we have NEVER lost. But we've never been and are not convinced of the profitability of the project if the concepts won't be changed."
R: "They (H&P) are just the executing organ, all decisions are made by Amiga Inc."
H: "Correct. [...]"
R: "Amiga Inc. displays regarding Communication with their partners
"certain" deficits."
H: "Deficits is nicely said. But it's correct!"
R: "Failing to come / insufficient payments from Amiga Inc."
H: "Before payments could be made, contracts have to be made. That
far, however, we aren't yet. Regarding which I clearly want to
emphasize that WE do not delay."
[...]
H: "To be able to be partners to an agreement, one needs contracts -
and that is not Amiga Inc.'s strong point."
[Another comment from Mr. Haage]
R: "Is the date told by Alan Redhouse [Eyetech] for the completion of OS4.0 ("november, but probably not the 1st") possible in your
opinion?"
H: "Only if it would be right now possible to work towards that date. But the conditions for this don't exist. Maybe a wonder happens, but I don't expect it."
No wonder that those like me, who've been suspicious regarding AI in
favour of MorphOS/Pegasos for some time already, unfortunately feel
confirmed more and more. Also no wonder that Ralph Schmidt is enjoying this soap opera from AI, H&P and Eyetech, his first comment has been the one quoted as the subject: "party on:-)".
So, after translating Mr. Haage's point of view, I'll also think I
should quote from one of Ralph's comments, too. He (RS) answers to a
comment by Mr. Haage (JH):
JH: "In an exclusive x86 AmigaOS version we aren't interested."
RS: "No? :-) Do you think we don't get what you proposed internally
already in August? :-)"
[...]
RS: "As you've been also told already by a person from Amiga Inc. some monthes ago... you have no future as Amiga OS vendor."
My personal guess is that the main problem seems to be Amiga Inc.,
i.e. especially their lack of money. So after them already given up on their plans regarding DE being their future OS many monthes ago, it seems their plan to survive as a content vendor for PDAs seems to be not that successful, too (Alan Redhouse, too, does confirm in his statement that AI still has the already known financial problems). If companies like H&P do speak that way about AI already in the public as Mr. Haage did today at amiga-news.de (I just translated a little bit of it), I exprect the worst regarding AI's future.
Therefore it really seems the Amiga-market's future might be just
those two ones Ralph outlined: an emulation-based x86 one by H&P and
the PPC one covered by MorphOS.
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Newsgroup-article #2:
Some "second helping" - the "party" goes on:
(Again no warranty for the 'quick and dirty' translation.)
Michael Garlich (Titan Computer) in reply to Mr. Haage:
"You should restrain yourself on your statements against Mr. Schmidt!
Only you are to blame for the current situation - if you had actually shown your much propagated readiness for cooperation last year in september, it would not have been come that far. Despite all adverse things Mr. Schmidt contrary to you had been willing to cooperate under leadership of Amiga Inc. !!!"
And another reply by Ralph to Mr. Haage:
"[...] You operate on other levels which the normal user doesn't
notice. (dealers, influence on Amiga Inc., threats with licences,
internal mailing lists, influence on a certain person and a certain
company)"
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Newsgroup-article #3:
I think balance requires me to continue the translation at least one
more time, i.e. especially regarding the repeated offer below by Mr.
Haage to try to come to a cooperation. Of course everyone draws his
own conclusions, H&P-fans may say "didn't I tell you, just Ralph is
the bad guy" (although there's on the other hand the, today repeated, version by for example Mr. Garlich who said that Mr. Haage would have prevented exactly this last year), while the other side may say he's just lying or trying another trick. My personal conclusion is that Mr. Haage may just get cold feet because of the apparently very bad financial situation at AI and its consequences for another Amiga-PPC-future besides MorphOS.
Well, here again some quick and dirty translations from the very same thread of comments at amiga-news.de as before; again, no warranty.
1. Mr. Haage:
He suggests to accept an invitation made partly humorously by
amiga-news.de's Petra Struck to Mr. Haage and Ralph to meet at her
home for a dinner and try to come to an agreement.
(But Ralph did already say in a comment before he'd never again
cooperate with Mr. Haage, because of the well-known history and because H&P would just have nothing to offer that would be of interest for the bplan/Morphos-crew. (Although I think Ralph underestimates the value of "the name", but on the other hand I don't know how much, if any, influence H&P has regarding this.))
2. Ralph:
(It has been said before that by saying H&P (and Hyperion) would have nothing to offer the MorphOS-team could be interested in, they would cut out "StormC4, Arteffect, Genesis, Olsen's TCP/IP Stack, OS 3.9 licences" and Hyperion's products.)
" 1) We have with the PPC-MorphOS-GCC our own development system,
[...].
2) I wouldn't know what's that unique with ArtEffect. [...]
3) Genesis is a GUI surface and the TCP/IP stack belongs to Tomi
Ollila, which we do also have as a PPC version.
4) Olsen's TCP/IP stack is controlled by Olsen and nobody else.
And we do have a *very* good relationship with Olaf.
5) Amiga users do already own 3.1, 3.5 or 3.9 and it's left up to
them of they continue to use it until a completely new WB
exists.
6) MorphOS as AmigaOS 4.x was massively opposed by Hyperion since
november 2000 and in summer it was said that they'd never would
be porting Warp3d to MorphOS, when Amiga Inc. suggested them
this. This decision is left up to them for what they want to
develop something... The consequence is just that they don't
play any role in our plans. Therefore we plan an own 3D
solution. Warp3d is only that long important as new games
support it.
[...]
9) As I said already... H&P are free to offer their applications
for MorphOS also. *We* won't hinder anyone from developing
applications for MorphOS. SDKs from us always will be free.
10) With Papyrus we'll have a real office-package with
word-processor."
3. Mr. Haage:
Replying to the comment by Mr. Garlich (see earlier in this thread),
Mr. Haage says he wouldn't know about what Mr. Garlich would be
speaking.
4. Ralph:
(He was asked if Nova Design or Paul Nolan would have announced
support for MorphOS already.)
"We have also spoken with Kermit Woodal several times. Since he's also closely related with Merlancia, there are certainly possibilities. :-)
Paul Nolan does have a key and a development system since last year... [...]"
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 09-Oct-2001 12:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 226 (Ralph Schmidt): > Sorry..building up a myth again about "MorphOS contract terms"
> to distort the fact that there is something like that ?
You have no eye for journalism do you? I wasn't striking a pose about a possible "myth" of Amiga working with Morph. I was stating a question that had yet to be asked, hence the "What if" beginning. Not in a sense that AmigaOS would include some sort of MorphOS kernel but what would the outcome be of the common populace? Would it be anger? Would it be joy? I haven't a clue what would happen which is why I posed the question. Don't assume so much of my own statements.
> Hyperion is now ""planning"" to ""do"" 4.0...why hiding it ?:-)
> Sure..writing an Exec is not such a problem...the problem is
> the whole design to work out as planned which needs some forsight
> and integrating ixemul into a PPC mixed mode exec is *extremely*
> painful. And then the *testing* takes real time.
From what I know, Hyperion has two possibly three developers working on an exec of some form. Since I haven't been able to gather all of the information on it, I don't want to say anything about it other than the obvious. I know one name for a fact, the other is shaky and the third doesn't exist in my book since it was just rumor. The one person I know is not listed on the Hyperion web site. The other one I haven't been able to isolate yet.
> Personally i expect from newssites that they try to inform
> their readers about all developments and ask annoying questions
> to the players but up to now i only see you argueing here
> against MorphOS with the only point that it's not named AmigaOS.
Please, quote me by all means where I personally am mocking MorphOS because it lacks the name alone. I have yet to use any such a statement where I am personally against MorphOS due to the lacking "Amiga" tagged to it. The statements made from above are only stating the obvious information about the community and not of my own accord. So honestly Ralph, can you say you have read my posts and completely understand them? If yes, then why do you accuse me of such actions when I have clearly not done such? Read them again if you don't believe me, it's in black and white.
> You should take an eye how Petra handles that at www.amiga-news.de.
> She tries to stay neutral to all parties as far as possible to
> provide their readers the best possible service...no biased news
> so they can build up their opionion themselves.
That's called journalism. It's in the dictionary. I try and stay neutral and devoid of all things and hang back "in the shadows" but there's a point when I have to speak my thoughts about what happens or will potentially happen in the community. Granted sometimes my own thoughts are quite radical, but some questions need to be raised. If not to question the minds of those who I reply to but also to ignite thoughts of those who also read my statements (in essence, journalism). On the other side of journalism is editorialist where the editor obviously takes a side and a line is drawn making it obvious of their own opinions. If I'm so condemning to MorphOS, why am I bringing up bad spots of H&P and willing to try MorphOS again when I have the hardware available?
> For the people which don't know...Kent Seaton is from www.amiga.org.
I think that's about obvious Ralph. I've stated who I am many times before. If someone doesn't know by now, they are either blind or don't pay enough attention. I released the information of who I am back in late 98 or so. Ironically, it was about the same time I started volunteering as the public relations director for Amiga.org. Glad you finally opened your eyes to that one.
> BTW: False information on your side...the work which is done
> for so called 4.0 (TCP,FFS2) is NOT by H&P.
> It's *fully* controlled by its author which is Olaf Barthel.
And this is news how? Olaf is/has written those two components, there's no question in my mind about that. H&P have included his works in past software releases so why not include these as well. To quote you from post#124
> The few "OS4" work which is tested for some months are
> Olaf Barthel's own property and owned by him.
Is there something I said different from this information? Did I say H&P developed those two components or did I say they were components of OS4 thanks to Olaf? This almost proves to me you didn't even bother reading my posts before you jumped to conclusions of my meaning.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. You got your 200+ comments now for this thread. Is it finally time to end it? |
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