| [News] Fleecy comments on outsourcing AmigaOS | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 06-Nov-2001 14:06 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä | 51 comments
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Read Fleecy's comments from the AmigaOne mailinglist below.
Yes Amiga is in control of OS4.0 - we have merely outsourced
the project management. I am in daily contact with Hyperion and a feature document and deadlines and timescales are mulled over in minute detail.
As I explained at the show, this deal is more about freeing
Amiga up to work on the SGA (Second Generation Amiga). AmigaOS4.0 was always more to do with getting a PPC based OS working on very specific PPC HW, and we were wasting a lot of time bouncing backwards and forwards. With the outsourcing agreement, the implementation has been moved much closer to the first piece of HW itself.
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| Posted by gz on 07-Nov-2001 01:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Graham):
- Also he is saying he's NOW in contact with hyperion and scheduling
- timetables and deadlines for the project with them. A thing that should
- have F***ing been done SEVEN months AGO!
>No he isn't. He is saying what he says - that every timetables, deadline, etc >is gone over in detail with Hyperion. Doesn't say that it started yesterday - >it could have been happening for months for all you know.
True, I don't know. But tell me this. If they had been planning their schedules for months now already, wouldn't you think the project of creating a new os for us would be underway in other form than just on a piece of a4 on fleecy's table?
>Amiga are working on DE.
That's what they are supposed to be doing but actually what we have seen this far has very little to do with Amiga.inc. Lets face it the sdk and de player are almost the only things AI have been able to come up in 2 years. And even these are 90% work of others (TAO)
Basically in my opinion, what AI have done is that they have merely compiled tao's stuff on cd's and are selling them to ppl eagerly waiting for updates in the sdk technology so that they could start doing some REAL work instead of just creating new TETRIS clones.
These updates take A LOT of time however... Why? Because it's tao's stuff and AI lacks the ability to create solid updates for sdk. Therefore they just spend most of their time waiting if tao group would add something new to their technology so that AI could copy and paste that on a new update for their MIGHTY sdk.
Im surprised if they even have 1 coder working in house for AI's projects.
However even I sound like I wouldn't appreciate their work, I do. I think the sdk is a good product, but it needs to be updated so that ppl can get creative with it. And that's not going to happen unless AI start contributing to the project in other way's than just compiling tao stuff on cd's
Tao has their own agendas for their product and those agendas don't co exist well with AI -hence the reason why we have so little in 2 years time.
Aaand finally there's os3.9. But AHA, AHA! Here too AI haven't shown anything else being contributed to that product from their behalf other than giving h&p a go with it. Telling other company that they are allowed to create an amiga os if they pay AI a slice of the profits isn't really my idea of software engineering. AI are calling themselves a SOFTWARE company. Where the hell is that software they say they are creating!?!?!? The sdk?, the player? In 2 years time??? All the company does is allow other companies to develop under the name of amiga so that they can profit out of the product of others when they are released!
To me that's no more different than what gateway did with os 3.5! Sure it's great to have os 3.9 but I hate it everytime when I hear AI say: "we have done lots for the community, we have brought you os.3.9"
>As I have said before, whatever anyone from Amiga say, someone will twist into >their own agenda.
Only because they don't say anything REAL. When Bill and Fleecy are talking, you can see their mouth moving but only hot air is coming out! Everything they say is either contradictory or then it's just so full of PR bullshit it's impossible to find FACTS out of their judgements.
Look. If they would cut the crap for just a second and say how things really are, we might get a realistic impression what's really going on behind the scenes. But no, they act mute, and when they break the silence they do so only to give another vague politician like story of what's going down.
THAT's what's giving the room for imagination to fly! It's not the fault of the community. They have said so themselves a thousand times: "If you dont hear it from us (AI) don't listen" The trouble is they aren't exactly saying anything!!!
>Amiga can't win with this community - I suggest they release a statement >saying "F*** You, Community" and go and work on something else that they want, >not what the community wants.
The community wants a vastly improved SDK, new amiga hardware and above all a new promised OS for their machines. None of this has come to the reality yet, so I would say they have been doing exactly what they want regardless of the community.
>Do you think that Bill, Fleecy, Gary, etc haven't got a lot of their own >money, time, resources in Amiga Inc. They want it to succeed as much as any >true Amiga supporter does.
Of course they want to see their company succeeding. But that dont mean anything they do has to have something to do with amiga, apart from the name.
If you read my original posting you would see Im not even pissed of them for what they have released or have not released. Im pissed cause they can't step up on the mic and say "would the real slim shady please stand up"
TRUTH coming out from the horses mouth is what I want. Nothing more, nothing less. But for AI that's just giving another release date for 'vapor' OS4.0.
If they have something why don't they show us??? If they would really want to clip the rumors off their wings, that's all they would need to do. THIS is why some ppl (like myself) believe AI is just full of shit when they promise stuff.
Anyway Im not here to critisize your post. I don't have anything which could prove you wrong in your opinion. However also YOU dont have anything to prove me wrong, so we are even :) |
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