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Posted on 15-Apr-2002 13:27 GMT by Morka | 510 comments View flat View list |
This is email from Thomas Frieden about AOS4.0 and Pegasos board.
Odosielate¾: Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.com>
Adresát: morka@zoznam.sk
Predmet: Re: AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos
Hi,
morka@zoznam.sk wrote:
>Hi. I have one problem. I want buy Pegasos but at today AOS4.0 not run on this board.
Say who ? I thought it was already said: We do want to support the Pegasos board. It's firmly planned. Unfortunately, we haven't received a developer board yet, but if we ever get one, OS4 will run on the Pegasos.
Regards,
Thomas Frieden
Senior Developer, Hyperion Entertainment
ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.com
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com
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Posted by Samface on 17-Apr-2002 05:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 362 (Neko): >If MorphOS ceased to be Amiga-Compatible then it would also cease to be
>interesting.
For you, that is.
>The bPlan board runs Linux and NetBSD, so we're told. What would make MorphOS
>(or more specifically the Quark microkernel at it's core) any more interesting
>than those, or maybe a port of Darwin (BSD/Mach kernel base for MacOS X)?
>
>Nothing.
I was thinking more like the BeOS approach, a new Amiga-like OS without Amiga compatibility or reverse engineering. But I guess that takes too much innovation and creativity...
>The point is, that MorphOS is as much like an Amiga as you'll get on a
>platform that isn't an Amiga. And it does it in one important way: it does it
>without use or requirement of any Amiga-owned technology or rights.
Yes, they claim to be the "next next-generation Amiga PPC OS" without having the technology or the rights to do so, which basicly is my point as well.
>Running AmigaOS on some other platform than an Amiga as the exclusive OS is
>some kind of Holy Grail to some people. No emulators in windows, no
>pretending.
Well of course, Amigans has always been known to work very closely with the underlying hardware. Take a look at TBL's latest demo which was released at Mekka & Symposium this year and you'll see what I mean. Having the OS tightly integrated with the hardware is pretty much what made the Amiga once, you know.
>Amithlon is the closest you can get to the official for now. It's x86, though,
>so you lose all that lovely PPC software..
There's nothing official about Amithlon, it's no more of an Amiga than Cloanto's Amiga Forever.
>When the bPlan board appears, MorphOS will be the closest you can get to that.
>It's PPC. It runs everything you ever wanted to run on your PPC Amiga, but
>faster.
So will AmigaOS4, you're point beeing?
>All that remains is to GET that Amiga-sanctioned port, for PPC or x86 or MIPS
>or whatever, and decide whether you want to buy it too: whether it offers you
>anything that you didn't already have, or whether you really want to stay on
>the official track.
I will follow the track which I believe has the most promising future. I don't want to sit around with a dead OS or hardware which has no support from the Amiga market, I've already had too much experience of that in the past, if you know what I mean.
>Well, that's your decision to make: as I said before, it's not up to anyone
>here to dictate to anyone else WHICH choice they should end up making.
No. But everyone's got a right to his own opinion, right? I'm not dictating anything, I only speak up for what I think is right.
>Empty legal threats by certain "lawyers" just serve as antagonism, and I
>believe that's all they are meant to serve as. Especially since the "lawyers"
>in question will have absolutely nothing to do with "it" when "it" happens.
I've on purpose avoided trying to state what's legal and what is not. Look at my postings and all you'll ever find is me stating my opinion on what I think is right and what I think is wrong. I think what the MorphOS team is doing is wrong and I also think that Amiga Inc. has a right to defend their name which they payed big bucks for.
>If you believe one OS to be illegal, then just don't use it. I don't see why
>we have people here shouting that X was "First" and that X is "Morally
>Better", I have no idea why it would matter - apart from, of course, people
>trying their hardest to validate their own opinions because they are insecure
>about them.
It makes perfect sense. If the OS isn't legal I wouldn't want to invest my hard earned money on it. Even if I favoured the MorphOS for technical reasons, I would still go for the AmigaOS4 as it seems to be more legitimate and won't be killed by a law suit for using some other company's technology and name (I'm not saying that this is the case, I'm just simply pointing out that this is an issue). For the sake of the MorphOS team themselves, this issue needs to be resolved as soon as possible or nobody will be brave enough to spend their money on products with such an uncertain future.
>But it's certainly not your right to go around and insult people because of
>their preferences, just like you can't go around with a placard saying "I Hate
>Gays" or "I Hate Niggers". Persecuting individuals because of their choices of
>lifestyle, skin colour, clothing, cars or CPU is just plain wrong when you do
>it only to make yourself feel better about your own decisions.
Hey, where did I do a personal attack on any specific individual? An accusation like that really offends me, I've never insulted anyone just simply because of their opinion. Sure, I've said a couple nasty things here and there to R.S. for example, but that's a completely different thing as you obviously don't know the whole story. To be a bit more specific, I had never heard of him before he jumped all over me one day just because I critized their project's intentions. So, that's how I got to know him and that's something between him and me. It's not like I'm a racist towards everyone not approving my opinion.
>Sure, hate people when they do you wrong. If Ralph Schmidt killed your
>daughter in a drunk-driving incident, you can hate him and MorphOS all you
>like. If Ben Hermans kicked my cat, I'd hate him. But he didn't, so I don't.
Like I said, I have my reasons for this thing with R.S.
>Samface/Amifan/others - what have you got to prove that MorphOS is illegal, or
>just plain not-the-way. There can be only one, eh? Well that's our choice to
>make. You buy AmigaOS, I'll buy MorphOS. What are you going to do about it?
>What have you got against me making that choice?
I've told you my opinion regarding the legitimacy of MorphOS but that's all it is, my opinion. What's actually right and wrong by the law is only for the court to decide but as long as we don't know for sure, the future of MorphOS will remain unclear.
Also, why would I have anything against you or your opinion? Just because I disagree it doesn't mean I have something personally against you.
>Lets put it into perspective: when you go to the supermarket to do your
>groceries, do you buy name brand or store brand? I doubt you buy everything
>from the top-selling highest-price original manufacturer. No. Fred Meyer and
>Safeway do "cheaper" versions.. and they taste the same at the end of the day.
But then, if the "best used before" date is tomorrow, would you still buy it simply because it's cheaper?
>Would you boycott Safeway just because they sell beans that aren't Heinz
brand?
I go by quality and taste, if I only cared for the price I would've gone Windoze a long time ago.
>Would you vehemently defend Heinz on every internet message board saying that
>buying other brands was morally wrong and illegal because they use a similar
>sauce?
No, but if they got a lawsuit over their heads for ripping off the recipe, I wouldn't want to make any long term investments in their products.
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