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osopinion: Close That Open Hardware! : Comment 119 of 169ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 14-Jun-2002 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Janne Sirén):
> On Pegasos and on whatever. The issue is far larger in principle. Please
> don't badmouth it, you don't have any proof of bad-faith on the petition's
> part (or if you do, please provide it), even if you don't agree with it. You
> don't see me doing it even though I haven't signed the petition either.
Oh come on now, I have a hard time believing the petition was starting in good faith. A few people are waving the flag of open platform, good for POP/PPC for what? If people want an Amiga, buy an Amiga. It's truly that simple. As far as bad mouthing goes. I've kept all the nasty stuff to myself. My comments are my oppinion and are nothing more than harsh criticism. I'd like to call some of you the worthless bunch of copyright infringing pirates that some are. I've hinted at it, but I've not starting calling any people names as I don't see it worthwhile, just as I see the petition. I see the petition as a form of grand standing in public forums used to attack private companies business strategies without any regard for the fact that businesses have the right to protect their investment and intellectual property.
In short, allowing the OS to run on any unlicensed POP board does not make any sense for Amiga Inc. I'm sure the circulation of the OS would increase, but how many of those would be legitimate copies? It all goes back to the people against the licensing policy are barking up the wrong tree. If you want OS 4.0 on the Pegasos, find a third party company willing to get it licensed. I think people now officially have a burr up their butt since bPlan/Thendic are not going to go after OS 4.0 licensing themselves. Looking at the Barbie, it seems more suitable to embedded / set top box products. If people are critical of the Eyetech board lacking horsepower why would you be supporting the Barbie? The so-called Amiga community is quite fickle and to be honest, it would be a better place if their was no choice in what to buy. Since the demise of Commodore, it seems to have been two (at least) factions trying to head in opposite directions. At this point in history, the two factions are Amiga Inc./Hyperion/Eyetech and bPlan/Thendic/DCE. The hardware we're waiting for seems vapourous enough, yet the specualtion about many companies on the verge of producing POP boards is naivete at it's best.
Who are they making these boards for? The Linux community?.....heck bPlan/Thendic should have that market sewn up shortly if you want to buy a more expensive system just to be different from your x86 buddies.
As far as principles go....the largest principle to speak of is that companies are in this to make money. I know some people are new to this idea as some parts of the world are relatively new at this concept, but if you take risks you deserve the rewards. This is the general idea. Any company that makes an unlicensed board has not taken any risk to deserve any reward. Period.
Do you people not see how bad it is to not support the companies supporting Amiga's direction? I've seen many comments where people are so easy to dismiss Amiga Inc's purchase/ownership of the Amiga IP as well as Eyetech's involvement with the AmigaOne. Then there was the slagging of Hyperion because all they do is port games. I've written a lot of real time kernels in the last 20 years for various processors on single board computers yet haven't ported or written a video game yet. The three companies with the biggest interest in the Amiga surviving as a platform are Amiga Inc, Eyetech, and Hyperion. I'm sure Elbox should be listed as a fourth when the SharkPPC becomes available.
The only thing you will be supporting by buying hardware outside of the licensed products is the Amiga's funeral procession. Do not take this oppinion that I'm slagging bPlan/Thendic/DCE. I'm not, and I have to admit I like their honesty that they are not in this business to support the Amiga. They have their own business goals and a decent product to support going after the Linux crowd/embedded market. God bless capitalism! Go out and sell as many as you can Bill Buck and company! Just don't slag me for not seeing that the "issue is in far larger". I DO SEE IT as a larger issue, I just see it more clearly than you!
I apologize for the length of this reply.
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