[Rant] osopinion: Close That Open Hardware! | ANN.lu |
Posted on 12-Jun-2002 00:21 GMT by sutro | 169 comments View flat View list |
A rather unispired article at best. Read
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Posted by Janne Sirén on 17-Jun-2002 16:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 164 (Samface): Samface, since we are obviously getting nowhere, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I still think the petition has its rightful place amongst us, no matter its shortcomings.
>But, it's still based on innaccurate facts which he tells everyone about while
>trying to convince us about his opinion.
I believe the relevant facts to be accurate, namely those listed by Bill McEwen in his executive update. You seem to disagree.
>Hrm... He's complaining about the AmigaOS beeing tied to propriety hardware
>(such as the AmigaOne) while at the same time claiming there is no Amiga
>specific hardware?
Again, you see it differently. I see it as standard hardware with a dongle and licensed badge. Sure, Eyetech played a vital role in getting it to us. Kudos to them, really. But it is still a far cry from the custom Amigas of the past. I see this part of the article and petition reflecting this view on the matter. You obviously see it differently.
>Why do you constantly deny it's existence?
I do not deny the existence of AmigaOne. I just believe the assertion made in the petition about no new "Amigas" existing anymore to be accurate at this time. It is made to separate the past situation from the present, and I respect that - and do feel it is sufficiently accurate.
Also, I don't think this is relevant for the main point of the petition. You obviously disagree and I doubt there is much left we can work from in this discussion.
>> Well, even myself thought we'd be getting an open hardware platform. I was
>Where did you get this idea from? Noone *ever* said that the AmigaOS4
Actually, I don't know. I never claimed anyone said so, I'm not sure whether anyone did or didn't. I do not know. Perhaps it was Ben Hermans comments about different platforms like exploring the possibility of Macintosh, bPlan support requiring only that dev board - that led me to think in such a way, perhaps it was the logic in it, given that the hardware is pretty much standard. But I still perceived it that way, and I doubt I was alone.
I was merely defending the one part of the article or the petition were former beliefs of the Amiga community were discussed. I certainly felt some of the same stuff the petition's writer seems to have gone through. I do follow these forums, news and other Amiga sources intensely but I was still lead to that conclusion. Whether or not it was because plans changed or I was simply wrong to assume such a thing, I don't know.
>Just face it, you jumped into conclusions and you got nobody but yourselves
>to blame for this.
Perhaps, in that sense, I did. Perhaps, considering the way Ben Hermans and Hyperion discussed some of these issues, I did not. Perhaps the people who wrote the petition did so or didn't, as well. Hey, I never said otherwise. I don't know whether or not plans really changed, just that I felt my expectations based on past knowledge differed from the plans laid out in the executive update.
I'm not going to blame anyone for it, not even myself, since it is not anywhere near relevant or important. If indeed myself and others were simply mistaken and no such plans were really in the works at any time, perhaps this part of the article deserves some kind of a retraction. (The comments by Hyperion should be explained, though.) Nevertheless, I still do find it a quite minor detail when compared to the main point in the petition.
You talk as if this fact that a bunch of people (okay, perhaps just the two of us, me and Seehund, no matter how unlikely that may be) were mistaken in their expectations somehow invalidates the actual meat in the petition. I hope this is not really what you are saying.
>They are still the ones to decide which hardware they will support.
Sure, they are. The thing is, with the license, they add the requirement that someone else has to decide - and more than just send out a dev CD - as well. It is an added obstacle. Whether or not you believe that obstacle to be necessary or not is your cue to sign or not to sign. I still have not.
>Also, Amiga owns the brand and that's why they get to decide what is
>the "Amiga" platform, noone but Amiga Inc. is entitled to this.
We are hardly disputing their claim to the Amiga name, or their right to dictate its fate (within the boundaries of their ownership). The people who signed the petition are just expressing an opinion. They are entitled to, and nobody is entitled to take that right away from them.
>None of *us* paid $5 million for the brand and therefore it's not "our"
>platform.
I never said it was. But nobody paid $5 for us either. Nor could anyone. We are still individuals with a right to make up our own minds and express our opinions. And feedback is still valuable to any company.
I have already admitted that there are flaws in the petition. I think discussing them is good. But there are still strong points, and no evidence of bad faith has been proven, so I still find it a respectable effort to voice ones concerns. I hope it does well.
So, in case you have nothing to add (if you do, I will still check in to reply), I'll just have to agree to disagree with you. Thank you for the discussion, all. |
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