Posted on 14-Aug-2002 18:22 GMT by takemehomegrandma | 96 comments View flat View list |
This post comes from: http://www.morphos-news.de/?lg=en&nid=57&si=1.
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Wow!
Yesterday, Apple doubled the number of CPUs on their products -- but the price remains the same -- dual 1Ghz G4s for $1699. Unbelievable!
For Raquel and I this means one thing (beyond Apple has finally and completely fallen for the obvious clock speed, etc. numbers game):
Alternative (as in A-Expo, 7-8 September) operating systems have become important -- very important!
This makes us really feel that our approach to *eventually* sell Pegasos main boards as they are is RIGHT ON TARGET. Apple will certainly not do this! Linux or MorphOS interested people want to do what they want to do. Terra Soft has been getting a good initial response to sell YDL pre-installed on iMacs (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/ 2002-08-08.shtml) and you will see the Pegasos on sale there soon. Our flexibility to upgrade to a G4 or dual CPUs, or even multiple boards makes us unique and gives us a competitive advantage over anything else we know about -- including Apple when sold as a main board itself (especially with their overhead!).
Here is what we are doing:
1. We are selling fully configured machines to Betatesters. Things are going well!
2. We will sell a few main boards to highly qualified users who are willing to get other non-standard configurations to work. This will be done on a case by case basis (email us at bbrv@thendic-france.com).
3. We will keep our amiga-oriented market interested over the next month with messages on Morphos-News. We want people using the machines and Team Betatester is all about that. We will show as MANY applications running as possible at the A-Expo, 7-8 September. Later this week we will post a gallery of pictures from last weekend. It was a successful event for us.
4. We are also planning the Frankfurt conference/show for 14 September: BETATESTER I.
When we are ready (which may be sooner than December), we will:
1. Sell main boards worldwide directly or through resellers at one price. Qualified resellers will be discounted from that price.
2. Sell a single or double CPU upgrade package. We can beat the iMac G4 prices easily. We may develop a discount plan when a G3 is returned in good condition (we in turn can donate computers with "used" processors to programs to help disadvantaged children learn about computers or programs like that...your ideas are welcome here!).
Our target markets:
1. Linux users
2. Amiga application users
Later...
3. Mac users with the Thendic smart card reader together with MorphOS on a CD with applications that run with special smart card features, such as, a "secret weapon" for an online game, Pegasos Points to spend at the online store to buy peripherals (DataPlay, ComCam, etc.), and naturally secure communications with our host...etc.. The application is what is promoted. MorphOS is there on the CD to make it happen. Smart cards make us unique and add plenty of interesting and exciting functionality (we will have an smart card SDK for our developers).
Keep your eyes on MorphOS-News...we will keep you posted.
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
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Posted by .john on 18-Aug-2002 08:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Raquel and Bill): @bill:
@john
If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a PPC we will be
happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community there
will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy of
the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this? We
cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it
is claimed to be - great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines.
Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing
against this effort.
Oh, bummer. This is not a professional solution, YOU as a proffesional
should be able to advertise. To advertise the Pegasos with :
"Theoretically you might be able to run pirtated copies of OS4 on it."
is very poor attitude (for a professional). Of course, I might have
misunderstood you completly.
@all
Please check out www.morphos-news for our latest post there in the
associated comments section for a discussion on the G3 vs. G4 issues (I
think it is Post #8). Even very code intensive fast twitch games are
running fine on the G3 Pegasos. This is an adequate machine for 990f the
market. The G4 is a great thing, but do not be deceived by clock speed.
The G3s are also fine. For example, there is NOTHING in the Linux GUI
that takes advantage of AltiVec. The speed of the Motorola G4s is nice,
but AltiVec does nothing unless you are running Mac OS X (which is
written for AltiVec) or single precision, 32-bit HPC code.
Already the G3 is a very poor performer these days. I am not interested
in games at all...I play my games in Windows with a fast PC.
I am talking about those things which are 'in' right now and give a lot
of fun: DivX5 encoding. Video-Effects with realtime-preview. Digital8
cams are cheap these days. So are Firewire cards. If you think I can go
anywhere with a single G3/0.6GHz please tell me. I am not talking about
family-album-style or 320x280 reso here. I am talking about semi-prof,
high-level-amateur. Same goes for any rendering. There is never enough
power for these tasks.
Check this out:
Rumors (?) hit the street, Apple might go x86 within the next years.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1393
Facts get reported, that the latest Apple machines are *slower* than the
last generation. Yes, I am talking about those new beasts with DDR-RAM.
I know it is not the CPU, in that case, but some misconception over at
Apple. But they should have known this. Why did it happen ? Not good for
PPC platform.
Then, there has been some SPEC results reported on OSNews.com,
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=769
which were taken at over at
Heise.de:
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/02/05/182/
Dual G4 gets beaten completly by dual Athlon and single P4 in one of
Apples most important markets: digital video editing.
Story link: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1401
Direct link: http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/07_jul/features/cw_macvspc2.htm
While it might well be, that clockspeeds are not all these x86 CPUs have
new architectures as well. Maybe no Altivec (something as you said
rarely used, but well pointedly used in Linux audio- and video-projects
as well as by major companies, developing professional software) support
on x86 but other features, the PPC does not have.
So all in all I do not care, if there is no compiler available, that
utilizes G4 to its full potential.
I also do not care, that some of these benchmarks might have happened by
using code, that was well optimized for x86 but not for G4.
Why should I ? I pay the price. And I certainly will not pay the price
for a Pegasos just in order to run an illegal copy of AmigaOS4.x. If I
could consider the Pegasos an official Amiga licensee, this would be
another story. So I will look out for other options, maybe Shark, but I
have to see how well this one performs and if, yes, if it will be
possible to put that PCI card into a PC. Otherwise no AmigaOS4 for me.
Heck, maybe one day, if someone wrote an emulator for a dual G4 on a
P4/3.2GHz, or such, lol.
And for Linux it is better to go x86 anyway. Just in order to run some
code, that is proprietary and not available as source. This usually is
x86 native, isn't it ?!
So, all in all I might buy a Pegasos with a single G3/600MHz, that only
runs MorphOS software or plain, straight Linux ports. I pay approx. EUR
600 while for less than this money I will get a P4/2.33GHz and a mobo
with DDR-RAM support and 533MHz FSB that beats the Pegasos to pieces.
I feel a bit depressed myself. I had big hopes for the Pegaos. It just
came about too late. Much too late. And without dual G4. This would have
been the only reason for me to go Pegasos, to have a SMP machine, that
does not require active cooling. Did you know, that the P4 is even quite
sophisticated, at least upto 2GHz, with regards to power usage and thus
very well coolable in a manner, that you won't hear too much of a fan ?
I even had a dream to get a Pegasos with dual G4 and fill up the PCI
slots with DCE's long announced "G4 MicroServer" to hopefully build a
super-number-cruncher in my home. Now I will try to do it different.
I'll have to see.
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