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| Posted on 17-Aug-2002 19:55 GMT by cheesegrate | 165 comments
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On an ANN thread Bill and Raquel comment on their attitude towareds AmigaOS4 and it's appearance on the pegasos.
"If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a
PPC we will be happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community
there will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy
of the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this?
We cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what
it is claimed to be – great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines.
Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing against
this effort."
Personally I think that no hardware developers who don't licence the amiga
name will pay money for certification to get os4 running on their boards.
However because the pegasos and the amiga one share the same northbridge
and BIOS (atm), it should not be difficult for a developer to port os4 across
to the pegasos. The question is; Will Hyperion and Amiga Inc allow this without
wanting money from Bplan/Thendic France? And does it matter?
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| Posted by .john on 18-Aug-2002 09:09 GMT | Oh my, I should have posted that here (instead I posted it as comment to the
comment, foo bar):
@bill:
@john
If AmigaOS4.0 is fully finished and running natively on a PPC we will be
happy for Hyperion and Amiga Inc. Undoubtedly, in this community there
will be more than one person who will copy a legally obtained copy of
the operating system onto the Pegasos. How will Amiga Inc. stop this? We
cannot control this and neither can they. If AmigaOS4.0 becomes what it
is claimed to be - great! We will sell a few more Pegasos machines.
Thanks Hyperion! We wish them our best. We have absolutely nothing
against this effort.
Oh, bummer. This is not a professional solution, YOU as a proffesional
should be able to advertise. To advertise the Pegasos with :
"Theoretically you might be able to run pirtated copies of OS4 on it."
is very poor attitude (for a professional). Of course, I might have
misunderstood you completly.
@all
Please check out www.morphos-news for our latest post there in the
associated comments section for a discussion on the G3 vs. G4 issues (I
think it is Post #8). Even very code intensive fast twitch games are
running fine on the G3 Pegasos. This is an adequate machine for 990f the
market. The G4 is a great thing, but do not be deceived by clock speed.
The G3s are also fine. For example, there is NOTHING in the Linux GUI
that takes advantage of AltiVec. The speed of the Motorola G4s is nice,
but AltiVec does nothing unless you are running Mac OS X (which is
written for AltiVec) or single precision, 32-bit HPC code.
Already the G3 is a very poor performer these days. I am not interested
in games at all...I play my games in Windows with a fast PC.
I am talking about those things which are 'in' right now and give a lot
of fun: DivX5 encoding. Video-Effects with realtime-preview. Digital8
cams are cheap these days. So are Firewire cards. If you think I can go
anywhere with a single G3/0.6GHz please tell me. I am not talking about
family-album-style or 320x280 reso here. I am talking about semi-prof,
high-level-amateur. Same goes for any rendering. There is never enough
power for these tasks.
Check this out:
Rumors (?) hit the street, Apple might go x86 within the next years.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1393
Facts get reported, that the latest Apple machines are *slower* than the
last generation. Yes, I am talking about those new beasts with DDR-RAM.
I know it is not the CPU, in that case, but some misconception over at
Apple. But they should have known this. Why did it happen ? Not good for
PPC platform.
Then, there has been some SPEC results reported on OSNews.com,
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=769
which were taken at over at
Heise.de:
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/02/05/182/
Dual G4 gets beaten completly by dual Athlon and single P4 in one of
Apples most important markets: digital video editing.
Story link: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1401
Direct link: http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/07_jul/features/cw_macvspc2.htm
While it might well be, that clockspeeds are not all these x86 CPUs have
new architectures as well. Maybe no Altivec (something as you said
rarely used, but well pointedly used in Linux audio- and video-projects
as well as by major companies, developing professional software) support
on x86 but other features, the PPC does not have.
So all in all I do not care, if there is no compiler available, that
utilizes G4 to its full potential.
I also do not care, that some of these benchmarks might have happened by
using code, that was well optimized for x86 but not for G4.
Why should I ? I pay the price. And I certainly will not pay the price
for a Pegasos just in order to run an illegal copy of AmigaOS4.x. If I
could consider the Pegasos an official Amiga licensee, this would be
another story. So I will look out for other options, maybe Shark, but I
have to see how well this one performs and if, yes, if it will be
possible to put that PCI card into a PC. Otherwise no AmigaOS4 for me.
Heck, maybe one day, if someone wrote an emulator for a dual G4 on a
P4/3.2GHz, or such, lol.
And for Linux it is better to go x86 anyway. Just in order to run some
code, that is proprietary and not available as source. This usually is
x86 native, isn't it ?!
So, all in all I might buy a Pegasos with a single G3/600MHz, that only
runs MorphOS software or plain, straight Linux ports. I pay approx. EUR
600 while for less than this money I will get a P4/2.33GHz and a mobo
with DDR-RAM support and 533MHz FSB that beats the Pegasos to pieces.
I feel a bit depressed myself. I had big hopes for the Pegaos. It just
came about too late. Much too late. And without dual G4. This would have
been the only reason for me to go Pegasos, to have a SMP machine, that
does not require active cooling. Did you know, that the P4 is even quite
sophisticated, at least upto 2GHz, with regards to power usage and thus
very well coolable in a manner, that you won't hear too much of a fan ?
I even had a dream to get a Pegasos with dual G4 and fill up the PCI
slots with DCE's long announced "G4 MicroServer" to hopefully build a
super-number-cruncher in my home. Now I will try to do it different.
I'll have to see.
.john |
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