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Posted on 15-Nov-2002 21:36 GMT by redrumloa (Edited on 2002-11-16 07:21:47 GMT by Christian Kemp)59 comments
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Think back to the 90's. What do you remember? Nirvana, gangster rap, Vanilla Ice and... Amiga Web Directory. Wow, that sure brings you back right? But what does AWD have to do with Amiga.org's outage? Read on
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The reason for Amiga.org's outage is revealed.. : Comment 22 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 16-Nov-2002 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (DaveW):
Guys,
I've had a few hours to calm down a bit and I will tell you this. I did not think the original poster was Hisel, because of certain things which were said and the IP address from which it was posted. Thanks Kevin for letting me know exactly which Class C to ban.
In response, I cannot show you the entire thing, but I will state for the record that this is NOT some sort of innocent misunderstanding. Kevin Hisel, abusing (embarrassing) the name of CUCUG sent a legal demand to Communitech demanding that the images were on our server in strict violation of the DCMA (he even named chapter, rule, and verse in legal fashion) and demanding that the images either be removed immediately, or the site be shut down according to DCMA standards.
Communitech, per it's own rules sent that legal demand to the person who interacts with them on our behalf, with the deadline of 24 hours. The problem is, the person they sent this original notice to (not the Webmaster by the way) was on vacation and never received this e-mail until yesterday (three days too late). They never made a single attempt to contact me, root, admin, abuse, or any other Amiga.org address on this matter.
I had indeed received three e-mails from "Mr. Asshole" demanding that the images were somehow magically copyrighted and must be removed. To EACH, I responded that I would be happy to, if -- in accordance with copyright law -- he would document his ownership of said images. He claims to have never received any of THREE responses yet I received every demand from him.
I did not immediately remove the images from Amiga.org for the simple fact that they were uploaded by another site member from a source unknown. Therefore, I did not think it unreasonable to ask that he prove his ownership of said images before I removed them from the server.
Historically, I have had incidents in the past where Kevin Hisel claimed that everything between a site layout to icons, to actual Amiga news items (public domain) were "copyrighted", so over the last seven years of his bullshit, I had learned to take him with a grain of salt.
The end fact is..... Amiga.org was shut down for three days..... It is STRICTLY due to the legal demands of Kevin Hisel on behalf of CUCUG..... It is not a simple misunderstanding, and it was definitely intentional according to the demand made to Communitech. I do not blame Communitech for this. I blame Hisel, and I blame CUCUG for letting Hisel get away with it in their name.
I know that he blames Amiga.org for the death of the Amiga Web Directory, and I know he has hated me for years because I registered the Amiga.org domain before they could, but it's not my problem. This is yet another petty, vindictive, bullshit attempt to extract revenge on the Amiga community by a man who desperately needs to find a real life and realize that this does not make him any friends.
Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org
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