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Posted on 04-Dec-2002 13:31 GMT by Christian Kemp | 275 comments View flat View list |
Eyetech replied to Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco's recent posting in the AmigaOne group at Yahoo. This is a repost under my name, since the original poster asked for the article to be removed. I don't agree with the view that this message should be kept off ANN since it is an interesting read and presents, in a way, the other side of the story; but after some consideration decided to respect the original poster's wish to have his posting and name removed, and opted to create a duplicate.
I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo
on this one.
My take on this:
Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved)
Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected. Since then we have
been innundated for dealership agreements from ex-Amiga dealers who have
(and their customers have) good memories of the Amiga OS and a growing
hatred of Windows. The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by
far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also
have been a bit of a shock. (Is it also a coincidence that we've been the
recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)
Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron
reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the
Linux Market. As most on this list will know we have the rights to
distribute these boards in Europe and now Terrasoft do in the US. (We also
have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker
worldwide). This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the
PPC Linux market.
Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS
altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something.
Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to
abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware .
Sorry, thats not on. You can only have sensible business arrangements with
people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity. There are plenty of
instances (which are inappropriate to reveal here) where these principles
have been completely abandoned on his side.
On their so-called relationship with MAI, we/hyperion have done more to help
MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have, alltough
I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to
identifying the Articia bug - I've every respect for him as a hardware
engineer.
As far as Thendic making their own boards is concerned thats a complete
joke. Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a
one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital. Thendic, like us and
MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all
subcontracted. In our case its to a Tiawanese specialist, in Thendic's its
to DCE. Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales
service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products
for resale again.
Well you did ask
Alan
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Posted by Lawd on 04-Dec-2002 16:09 GMT | My God! Why is it that only clowns are running the remaining "Amiga" businesses?
The usual level of bullshit, innuendo and an astonishing ignorance on technical matters are upped one more notch by this introduction:
"I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo on this one."
"Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved) Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected."
Is Alan as absolutely braindead as he makes himself look?
What "G4 availability"? They haven't even started their distribution of the G3 Teron CX! Why would Buck not have expected Alan to "announce" the Articia bug? Would Alan be *expected* to lie as usual? You know, "The 'AmigaOne' is not a Teron CX", "The Teron CX costs almost $4000", "It is the design of 'our hardware division', we were only recommended a manufacturer by Mai", "Yes, there's onboard sound... ...but you'll have to buy a home made AMR card from one of our customers in Norway", "There are no bugs, oh, the buggy VIA 686A will be upgraded", "Oh, bplan... sorry... our 'hardware division' has discovered a bug in the ummm whassitcalled, northbridge". And so on.
You have a point in that we didn't expect to see unproduced, future boards like the Teron PX already having passed that strict quality assurance and compatibility testing with AmigaOS running flawlessly on them. They must have passed that, right? You're already marketing them under the licensed trademark "AmigaOne" after all, and taking pre-orders. Just like you did with the original, even more buggy evaluation version of the Teron CX, when not even an alpha of OS4 ran on *any* hardware. Announced and sold as pre-orders as an "AmigaOne".
But since you helped invent the licencing shit, maybe that's exactly what we expected...
"The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also have been a bit of a shock."
Playing the idiot again. Exactly which mobo other than the Teron PX distributed by Eyetech has been "licensed" and by which licensee? None? So why would it be "shocking" for anyone that the goddamn "community" (it's called customers, Alan, don't be afraid, say it, customers) are likely to buy THE ONLY ALLOWED G4 MOBO FROM THE ONLY ALLOWED DISTRIBUTOR if they want to use AmigaOS legally? Huh? What "polls", by the way? The same "polls" that "consulted users and developers" when AmigaOS got its kiss of death with the licencing requirement?
"(Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)"
Ah, "the usual level of innuendo" eh? Slithering creep.
Ask your "hardware division" for advice, and "they" will tell you to stop clicking on unknown attachments. People don't really mean it, Alan, when they send you mail with "I LOVE YOU" as the subject. It's not even people, it's infected and compromised clients and servers.
Grow the f-ck up.
"Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the Linux Market."
Even if that were true, what the f-ck would it have to do with Buck's post?
For each sentence Alan writes I'm starting to believe that he's not just *pretending* to be clueless. Hint: Hyperion is NOT the only company in the world that can add code to existing code, and PPCBoot or not is irrelevant, any firmware can be reprogrammed and/or exchanged.
"As most on this list will know we have the rights to distribute these boards in Europe"
Not exclusively, we hope.
"(We also have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker worldwide)."
That's one way of putting it, another is that you have a monopoly on distributing hardware to AmigaOS users. Thanks, Eyetech, for providing "consultation" when the licensing and its conditions were invented!
"This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the PPC Linux market."
Has Thendic ever planned to distribute Teron boards? Was Thendic unaware of the existence of the Teron boards? Did Thendic plan to buy all Teron boards and dump them from a stealth warship in the Pacific Ocean, with Bill Buck standing on deck with his pinky extended to his mouth, a white cat in his other arm and going "MOUAHAHAHA!"? What the f*ck are you talking about?
Besides, Macs and IBM servers/workstations dominate the PPC Linux market.
"Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something. Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware . Sorry, thats not on."
Excuse me, I thought you were replying to Bill Buck's post on amiga.org, not the voices in your head or whatever.
It seems you have forgotten your what your company does, with regards to this situation. You distribute motherboards. If the motherboards you resell are called "Teron" or "Pegasos" matters little to you, if your customers are buying them. "Abandon" the Teron boards? WTF? Sell both Terons and Pegasoses then, moron, it's just hardware.
"You can only have sensible business arrangements with people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity."
Indeed!
"we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have,"
You, Eyetech, have done squat. You are merely yet another distributor, remember? The Terons were on the Linux market before you and Mai had even heard of eachother. And exactly what do you think bplan should have done to "get the Teron" to the market when bplan (unlike you and your "hardware division") develops and sells a motherboard of their own?
"alltough I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to identifying the Articia bug "
Like FINDING and IDENTIFYING it and PROPOSING A FIX, him being a HARDWARE DESIGNER actually DESIGNING HARDWARE using the chipset in question? Compared to you and Eyetech who have difficulties with basic technical terms, that any 14 year old who's ever built a PC knows by heart. Again, you have forgotten what your business is about - distributing someone elses motherboard.
"Thendic, like us and MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all subcontracted."
You really, really, really ARE absolutely clueless, or hoping that your customers are. Who the f-ck gives a flying f-ck about which fab it is that ASSEMBLES the hardware, and what the hell does it have to do with the amiga.org post you replied to? The Thendic/bplan people DESIGN their OWN hardware. Mai DESIGNS their OWN hardware. You buy hardware and distribute it. Stop comparing yourself with a hardware company. I have no idea in which assembly plant all my Amigas, PCs, Macs, SGIs, Blades and whatever were manufactured. I DO know pretty damn well who designed them all though.
"Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products for resale again."
If you had a f-cking clue about hardware design and manufacturing (beyond slapping CD32's in new boxes or soldering mouse adapters...), then even a quick glance on a blurry photo of the PCB layout and component choice and placement of the Teron board (original intent: chipset development and evaluation) and the Pegasos board (original and current intent: end users and a commercial market) would tell you that you're a slandering asshole and that the Pegasos (and any other commercial end-user device) are better made products.
Let me tell you this, Alan. Even if your licence invention was ripped apart, and AmigaOS users would be "trusted" and allowed to choose their hardware distributors, I'd much rather buy a Teron board from Mai or Terrasoft, Inguard or any other distributor even if you sold it *cheaper* than them. You have a two-bit shop run by an uneducated, ignorant, abusive and incompetent buffoon. You obviously don't even have any knowledge about the product you're trying to distribute.
What's worse is that I see other idiots going "oh, there you have it then, the unbiased thruth instead of a marketing stunt" when reading your garbage.
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