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| Posted on 18-Dec-2002 08:56 GMT by Piru | 55 comments
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Remember the days H&P was still alive and kicking?
Remember the WarpUP vs. PowerUP wars?
Remember the days of speculation about new hardware and OS?
Here is a massive but entertaining thread from the past. Several personalities from the "camps" of today posted in it. Funnily maybe the biggest player back then - H&P - is somewhat out of the game now, but some of the players remain.
If you read that thread now, remember these issues:
- StormC as a compiler is dead. StormC use GCC now.
- EHF (extended hunk format) is dead, ELF is the future (used in both OS4 and MOS).
- H&P 68k emulation never surfaced.
- WarpUP ramlib crashes were due to opening disk based libraries in LibInit of the library and thus causing recursive ramlib calls and stack overflow, not due to some "anti-warpup" code.
[sidenote: Current Warp3D *still* crash due to these OpenLibrary calls when it open its' sub-lib in LibInit, unless you have ramlib stack patched. There is a easy way to fix these crashes, open the sublibs in LIB_OPEN...]
- There now is a system that run 68K, WOS & PUP apps on PPC only hardware.
I'm not saying that you should be able to predict the future, but some guys seem to have been right more than 50% of the time.
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| blast from the past : Comment 25 of 55 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Dec-2002 19:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (Steffen Haeuser):
> What the Coward-whom-I'd-like-to-sue-if-I'd-know-who-he-is
Steffen, you'd like to sue too many people, I suggest you to calm down, cause in the end this attitude can only hurt yourself.
> did ignore is the fact that what I did not like about "ELF in AmigaOS" and why > at that time I was totally against it.
That phrase doesn't make much sense... perhaps you missed to say something?
> At that time (yes, this was still before the thread cited) you could not even > directly start PowerUP-programs but had to use something like "runelf").
Well, unless you patch LoadSeg & C. that's the only way to do it, even with WarpOS.
> Programs using PowerUP could not directly - at that time, later there was a
> LoadSeg-Patch - load AmigaOS Executables. Certain people even wanted to get
> "rid of Shared Libraries in favour of ELF Objects, as the Amiga Shared Library > design is outdated".
That makes sense indeed, although I'd not get rid of the old system altogether. A mixture of both would be really welcome. After all, if I'm not mistaken, AOS4 will have it, athough one-way only (ie, user->library and not also user<-library).
As for the rest of your topic, Steffen, try to calm down a bit: you behave exactly like the ones you blame. Show more professionalism, for <your deity>'s sake! |
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