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| Posted on 18-Dec-2002 08:56 GMT by Piru | 55 comments
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Remember the days H&P was still alive and kicking?
Remember the WarpUP vs. PowerUP wars?
Remember the days of speculation about new hardware and OS?
Here is a massive but entertaining thread from the past. Several personalities from the "camps" of today posted in it. Funnily maybe the biggest player back then - H&P - is somewhat out of the game now, but some of the players remain.
If you read that thread now, remember these issues:
- StormC as a compiler is dead. StormC use GCC now.
- EHF (extended hunk format) is dead, ELF is the future (used in both OS4 and MOS).
- H&P 68k emulation never surfaced.
- WarpUP ramlib crashes were due to opening disk based libraries in LibInit of the library and thus causing recursive ramlib calls and stack overflow, not due to some "anti-warpup" code.
[sidenote: Current Warp3D *still* crash due to these OpenLibrary calls when it open its' sub-lib in LibInit, unless you have ramlib stack patched. There is a easy way to fix these crashes, open the sublibs in LIB_OPEN...]
- There now is a system that run 68K, WOS & PUP apps on PPC only hardware.
I'm not saying that you should be able to predict the future, but some guys seem to have been right more than 50% of the time.
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| blast from the past : Comment 27 of 55 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 18-Dec-2002 20:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Steffen, you'd like to sue too many people, I suggest you to calm down, cause in the end this attitude can only hurt yourself.
And I assume you would just accept if someone calls you "incompetent" or
"stupid" or other insults? Up to now I never sued anybody, but sometimes
I think this would be a good thing to do (of course with these public Boards there is the problem
people can always claim "this was someone else typing on my computer").
I have no problem with people with really strange opinions or such - but
I *do* have a problem with personal insults in the public. I do not have
to accept this !!!
>Well, unless you patch LoadSeg & C. that's the only way to do it, even with WarpOS.
Exactly, and this is why I did not like ppc.library back then... at the start it did
NOT have such a patch.
> Programs using PowerUP could not directly - at that time, later there was a
> > LoadSeg-Patch - load AmigaOS Executables. Certain people even wanted to get
> > "rid of Shared Libraries in favour of ELF Objects, as the Amiga Shared Library > design is outdated".
> That makes sense indeed, although I'd not get rid of the old system altogether. A mixture of both would be really welcome. After all, if
> I'm not mistaken, AOS4 will have it, athough one-way only (ie, user->library and not also user<-library).
Exactly my point - not getting rid of the old system altogether. And it is not needed
either.
> As for the rest of your topic, Steffen, try to calm down a bit: you behave exactly like the ones you blame. Show more professionalism,
> for <your deity>'s sake!
No I don't. I did not call someone an incompetent for example. Is it only me
or is it no widely accepted that you can wildly insult people (anonymously,
of course) on the internet. Wasn't there such a thing which is called
"nettiquette" ?
Do at least TRY to see the difference between discussion and insulting.
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