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Remember the days H&P was still alive and kicking? Remember the WarpUP vs. PowerUP wars? Remember the days of speculation about new hardware and OS? Here is a massive but entertaining thread from the past. Several personalities from the "camps" of today posted in it. Funnily maybe the biggest player back then - H&P - is somewhat out of the game now, but some of the players remain.

If you read that thread now, remember these issues:

- StormC as a compiler is dead. StormC use GCC now.

- EHF (extended hunk format) is dead, ELF is the future (used in both OS4 and MOS).

- H&P 68k emulation never surfaced.

- WarpUP ramlib crashes were due to opening disk based libraries in LibInit of the library and thus causing recursive ramlib calls and stack overflow, not due to some "anti-warpup" code. [sidenote: Current Warp3D *still* crash due to these OpenLibrary calls when it open its' sub-lib in LibInit, unless you have ramlib stack patched. There is a easy way to fix these crashes, open the sublibs in LIB_OPEN...]

- There now is a system that run 68K, WOS & PUP apps on PPC only hardware.

I'm not saying that you should be able to predict the future, but some guys seem to have been right more than 50% of the time.

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blast from the past : Comment 49 of 55ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 19-Dec-2002 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Janne Sirén):
Janne Siren: As I explained before I am using ELF (since Hyperion Entertainment
started work on Heretic II) since a looong time. I
do not see the purpose of this thread (asides from the hatred of some
people being so big that they reach for every piece of straw to try to
cause damage to my reputation). And no, this is not paranoid. Just check
what sort of things certain people are trying again and again.

What scares me a bit is that for some people insulting others freely on
online forum is no issue anymore. I read the post in question to some
people I know who are not related to the Amiga "Community". To check
if I maybe overreacted. But no, they were even more devastated
like myselves by something like Comment 10. They were
totally shocked by this. Several of them suggested that I should sue
the guy (and I had to explain that it is not so easy to prove who he was,
due to anonymous posting and such). Did the Netiquette die when I did not
look ? I am absolutely convinced on amiga-news.de that comment would have
been removed the same day it was written still. But it is still there,
here...

And the things Hyperion-haters do does not stop with flamebait threads on Forums. They go up
till "informing" business partners and such about "the bad things Hyperion
is doing". I now don't say it's the same people who are writing in this thread,
don't misunderstand me. But that hatred is quite real.

And additionally - if I look at the way MOS-people try
to turn every news-report about OS 4 or Hyperion-games into a "OS 4 vs. MOS"
thread I can only say: There is so much hatred involved there. And if you
still doubt me look for example at one of the recent (or also not recent :) )
posts of Kai9 on amiga-news.de Forum (he's the perfect example). And then tell me again
that these guys don't act out of pure ridiculous hatred. Maybe one should nearly
be sorry for those people... nearly... I do not say everyone interested in MOS
is like that... but you cannot discuss away that there are such people... with
full blind hatred...

About the size of ELF: At that early time I was not the only one who did not know
about the usage of strip. If you check the early executables by ppc.library
*promoters* you will notice the huge size of them - unstripped executables :)
They did not know either :) (Nor care...).
But size was never my main "problem" concerning ELF.

If you want a real ELF-hater, try Jochen Becher (though he is also a very clever
person, despite not liking ELF - till the present day as far as I know).

Steffen Haeuser
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