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Posted on 03-Feb-2003 22:33 GMT by catohagen69 comments
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IBrowse 2.3 falsely claims MorphOS system is using AmigaOS.
Particularily misleading since MorphOS systems are reported as running AmigaOS 4.0 !!.

There exists a crude hack that just replace all "AmigaOS" strings with "MorphOS", and
"3.1", "3.5" and "3.9" with "1.1" or "1.2". Better solution should be provided by the IBrowse authors.

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Comment 12the man in the shadows04-Feb-2003 01:32 GMT
Serious bug in IBrowse 2.3 : Comment 13 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Feb-2003 01:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (gary_c):
> Somebody afraid to be identified wrote:

Just another individual with cash burning a hole in their pocket is all.
Really, calling anyone who asks a question afraid really starts the
rebuttle off nicely.

> There is utterly no indication of any legal problems with MorphOS. Those
> who own IP and believe otherwise have had ample opportunity to press
> their case. I think the silence is telling. Thanks for sharing your
> opinion, though.

Utterly no indication. Whatsoever.

Hmmm... there's been indication. It's the merit of this indication that's
in question. The silence says nothing nor proves nothing. I assume you've
never been through parenthood.

> I don't know where you live, been in most of the free world, it is not
> the task of the accused to prove innocence, but of the accusor to prove
> guilt. Is this a hostile response? I hope not; I'm trying to be calm and
> reasonable, despite your calculated attempt to stir up trouble.

I'm not accusing. I just want to know where the product stands before I
throw my money, time and effort into an area where legality is questioned
by another company. I'm not allowed to do this in your part of the world it
seems. Amiga, Inc has come under intense scrutiny by the public, but if
someone points a finger at MorphOS, they're "not living in the real world."
Interesting.

But stir up trouble? I'm trying to get answers to a question to which I've
received responses almost exactly like this one. They're along the lines
of "It just is, so there." The owners of the trade name don't seem to think
so. They've made a threat which they've not yet retracted. That leaves, at
the least, cause for concern.

What concern? In part, MorphOS runs Amiga software. To do so it must
provide an environment that is identical to that of AmigaOS. Last I
checked, copyright law covers this area of intellectual property, unless it
is substantially different. Surely the writers of MorphOS have thought this
all through. They must've known the issue would present itself one way or
another. Having thought it all through, I would think there would be a
desire on their part to assure their clientele of that legitimacy. As a
potential investor, I believe I have the right to know these things.

> Not at all. This issue doesn't involve the operating systems or the
> hardware at all; it involves the software application. Admittedly we are
> in uncharted waters to some extent here, since it's unusual for an
> application to be able to run under more than one operating system. So it
> will take some refinement for apps to distinguish their OS, if this is
> deemed important. But please understand that this is a technical issue,
> not a legal or moral one.

I don't see a gray area here. MorphOS must recreate the AmigaOS
environment on either a large or small scale for the software to function.
Until there is clarification that the environment in MorphOS is not in any
way an infringement on copyrighted materials, this issue will continue
to surface. Just the standard "it just is, so there" is obviously not
sufficient.

> Precisely where is anyone at legal risk in this situation? Is there legal
> culpability in IBrowse reporting an incorrect OS environment? Is there
> anything illegal about a MorphOS user running whatever software he/she is
> otherwise entitled to? Is there something illegal about patching IBrowse
> to report an alternative OS environment? You really should follow your
> own advise and not raise the issue of legality when you are only kicking
> up dust without having a clue about the facts of the matter.

I could invest in MorphOS, either financially or intellectually, then three
years from now find myself in the crapper when the company has been taken
down by lawsuits which people like yourself were telling me were never a
concern, and have no platform to run the applications which I've either
developed or funded. You're right, there's no risk to be found here.

Until these questions are answered, it's something to be considered.
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