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Posted on 18-Feb-2003 11:21 GMT by Senex50 comments
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At the Melbourne Amiga User Group (MAUG) there's a poll who would buy Umilator (Bernie's Amithlon-successor) for upto 99 Australian Dollars if it would be available.
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Comment 1Lasse Bodilsen18-Feb-2003 11:07 GMT
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Comment 3Kolbjørn Barmen18-Feb-2003 11:34 GMT
Comment 4Bladerunner18-Feb-2003 13:23 GMT
Comment 5Kronos18-Feb-2003 13:53 GMT
Comment 6Xeyes18-Feb-2003 13:58 GMT
Comment 7Bill Hoggett18-Feb-2003 14:13 GMT
Comment 8Don Cox18-Feb-2003 16:10 GMT
Comment 9Mekanix18-Feb-2003 18:22 GMT
Comment 10Mekanix18-Feb-2003 18:27 GMT
Comment 11Bill Hoggett18-Feb-2003 19:15 GMT
Comment 12A.Scott Pringle18-Feb-2003 20:11 GMT
Comment 13Mekanix18-Feb-2003 20:28 GMT
Comment 14Bill Hoggett18-Feb-2003 20:42 GMT
Comment 15Bill Hoggett18-Feb-2003 20:48 GMT
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Comment 17Raffaele18-Feb-2003 22:35 GMT
Comment 18Bill Hoggett18-Feb-2003 22:53 GMT
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Comment 20VMC Harald Frank18-Feb-2003 23:14 GMT
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Comment 32darklite19-Feb-2003 11:13 GMT
Umilator poll : Comment 33 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Feb-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (VMC Harald Frank):
Dear "VMC Harald Frank, Developer and Founder of Amithlon",


About my point of view:

The writer Bill Hoggett simply expressed his point of view

in a Public Forum, in Countries where exists the Right of

Freedom of Speech and ***without*** making any accusation

towards you and the firm you represent.


It seems clear to everybody who can read this Forum

that he was writing about a precise thread,

i.e. regarding certain circumstances

that the conditions of the contract you signed

with mr. Meyer could not cover.

Infact he tried to answer to a doubt I had:

i.e. that Meyer had to rewrite all Emulator code

in order to sell it by himself.

Quoting:
---------
>In Reply to Comment 17:
>
> > he MUST rewrite all code to avoid legal suit from Haage & Partner.
>
>Highly dubious that he would have to do that.
>
> They still are the owners of the copyrights of Amithlon,
>
>Absolutely not.
>Haage & Partner own no copyrights relating to Amithlon whatsoever.
>What they had was a distribution contract, which entitled them to manufacture, package and distribute it, and required of them to be fully responsible with regard to customer support issues etc.
>
>Any copyright issues involved would be with Harald Frank and nothing to do with H&P at all.
>This would be far from cut and dried since there is no valid contract between the parties.
--------------------
End Quoting

Mr. Hoggett can be blamed if he had reported unaccurate news,

but they sounds like other news reported into other sites

(there are a lot of docs in Internet regarding your contract

with mr. Meyer and things it contains or it ***could*** contain).

Certainly you can write mr. Hoggett reported the news in a wrong way,

but you must prove it first by providing the links to that news,

***OR***

report significant quotes extracted form your contract

between you and mr. Meyer,

in order to avoid misinterpretations and any further gossip about it.

***THEN***

The next step is to ask the moderator to delete mr Hoggett news,

if you believe mr. Hoggett committed any abuse.


I invite mr. Hoggett to provide the links where are the discussions

which reported that you of H&P have only distribution contract,

so we all can read about that thing.

If the news from these sites reported that, even if it was a gossip,

then mr. Hoggett can't be blamed.

However he can be blamed on this forum because he reported gossips,

and not reliable news...

So in the future he will be considered as reporter of unreliable news,

but nothing else.

***AND***

Regarding the so mentioned circumstances that the contract between you and mr.

Meyer could not cover,

I am pleased that you read and join this discussion,

because there are two scenarios I want to argue

with you....


Starting of scenarios
----------------------

I think you must agree with me the fact that:

***IF***

mr. Meyer will write another JIT emulator based on subsequent

compliances, i.e.:

1) Loader of the JIT Emulator based on GPL Linux loaders

2) JIT Emulator based on UAE JIT, which is GPL

3) Kickstart loaded by the owner of the Kickstart chips
under his own responsibility of owner

(and not included into the emulator)

4) Amiga OS loaded by the owner of OS Disks
under his own responsibilty of owner

(and not included into the emulator)

***THEN***

it will be a fully free emulator, free

of being distributed everywhere, and

that you can't bring forward any claim

about it.

***AND***

If Bernd decided to write another JIT emulator based on subsequent

compliances, i.e.:

1) Loader of the JIT Emulator REWRITTEN ALL BY HIMSELF
with new code and new code solutions

2) JIT Emulator REWRITTEN ALL BY HIMSELF with new code
and new code solutions

3) Kickstart loaded by the owner of the Kickstart chips
under his own responsibility of owner

(and not included into the emulator)

4) Amiga OS loaded by the owner of OS Disks
under his own responsibilty of owner

(and not included into the emulator)

This will be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCT

and regarding on such this kind of product

***THEN***

mr. Meyer will own all copyrights on it

and he could decide all by himself if

distribute it for free, or to sell it...

...and that you can't bring forward

any claim about it.
-------------------------
Ending of scenarios


So, dear mr. Frank, I am curious to read

your opinions about these two scenarios...

And I think that other readers will be

curious too...

Best regards,

Raffaele
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#34 Bill Hoggett #39 Bernd Meyer
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Comment 37Bernd Meyer19-Feb-2003 13:50 GMT
Comment 38Kronos19-Feb-2003 13:51 GMT
Comment 39Bernd Meyer19-Feb-2003 14:06 GMT
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Comment 46Walter A. Miles, Jr.21-Feb-2003 05:22 GMT
Comment 47Anonymous21-Feb-2003 11:35 GMT
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