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Posted on 12-Mar-2003 05:59 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2003-03-12 08:46:13 GMT by Christian Kemp)146 comments
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An anonymous reader links to this message by Alan Redhouse talking about Terrasoft, a possible 1.3Ghz CPU module, and XE delivery dates.
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Eyetech talks about Terrasoft : Comment 131 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Mar-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (ehaines):
"I'm sorry Christophe but you've just validated what Ben said. Despite
having quite similar situations, you're to some extent giving a free pass
to Genesi and then saying that Eyetech and Hyperion "lie."
The objective fact is that Genesi "lies" at least as much as the other
companies. Although what you are calling a "lie" is actually just
having plans that don't work out for whatever reason. If I say that
I'm going to meet you for lunch tomorrow, and then get hit by a truck
and have to go to the hospital instead, did I lie? Not by any reasonable
standard."

I don't blame Eyetech or Hyperion for the problems they had. I just say that Ben was far from reasonnable when he announced emminent OS4 relaese at several occasions.
I say that I can not beleive that he did not try to fool the users as he had all the information to know that it could not happen.
I think that Ben really hurted Eyetech business as it is obvious that the more we wait the less boards Eyetech will sell.

"In reality the Pegasos was never really released as such. I'm sorry but
a few hundred produced units does not constitute any sort of feasible
product."

My business partner (Amiga reseller) sold Pegasos configurations and is getting orders for software from these customers.
We wished to have a better availibility of the boards to fullfill all Pegasos purchases but at least we could have a product on sale which is reviving our business. It is our best selling product right now and a product that make other product sell.

"Genesi very well would have made thousands of them at least
had everything gone according to their plans and announcements."

I think that you are misinterpreting Genesi plans here.
The aim is to sell thousands of thousands but not in the Amiga community.
Their plans are fullfilled as they got contract signed for thousands of orders.

"MorphOS had many many "release dates" announced and missed all of them."

I think you are wrong here. The M day MorphOS was released to end users at an Amiga show. The aachen show was more like an announcement of what would be shipping with MorphOS. MorphOS releases are regulars.
You may not see this as a commercial release but you may understand that it is similar to the Linux distribution releases: everytime a release is distributed with new core components and new third parties software.

"I mean,
even now, can I just go to, say, www.softhut.com and order a copy for my
CyberstormPPC? Nope."

You can order a Pegasos with MorphOS now and get it soon.

"Will it ever run on anything other than the
Pegasos? Nope, probably not; it's just as "dongled" as AmigaOS4 but
somehow the Pegasos owners don't seem upset about it. Where are the
petitions to get MorphOS to run on the AmigaOne? "

The cyberstorm/blizzard release has been for beta testers. I have been running such a version for months. A commercial release would not make any sense as the HW is very outdated compared to the Pegasos and that Genesi better concentrate on Pegasos support. They may release it for free.
OS4 was supposed to be running on multiple HW when it was announced, this is why today people complain about the fact that only the Amigaone will get it (which may be true but is not sure).
I wish that OS4 would run on peg2 so we could double boot on it and get the best of both world.

"I'm on record from quite a while ago, possibly even on this site I think,
as planning to get both an AmigaOne and a Pegasos, but I'm afraid my
intentions have changed."

This were my intentions too. I still have a 100$ amiga coupon and I will get an amigaone IF I get my coupon money back.
As a long time member of Phoenix I got the 299$ offer for a Pegasos. A good deal I think.

"In the meantime, I've found the bPlan/Genesi
announcements as too often coming across and over-the-top and even
hysterical (such as the whole April mess)"

I agree that they may have been shocking because you did not know what was behind it.
The April one was because of the Terrasoft announcement. I agree that it was not the best communication that could be done as it confused a lot people who were not aware of what was going on.
At the end you see that BBRV were right: the desktop solution based on articia chip that sold the most so far is the Pegasos (No MAI without April).


"whereas Eyetech have been
more business-like and factual. From what I know with my AmigaOne
experience, what they write is generally true. "

They have been for a while than they started to say bullshit .
Have you read about the posts on the Amigaone ML saying that Thendic business would collapse because their company is a SARL ? Have you seen the post of Alan saying that the April is nonsense etc.
I think that Alan jumped on conclusions to fast and should have avoided such posts. BBRV should have done the same thing with certain posts and several people including me told them so.

"I think what the "ann orcs" fail to understand (and there ARE "ann
orcs," which is not the fault of ANN so much as the orcs) is that both
Eyetech and Genesi would be quite better off if they had released a lot
more product a lot sooner. Instead the orcs take it as some personal
insult and make out like Eyetech or Genesi (depending on the breed of
orc) have intentionally withheld AmigaOnes/Pegasi to personally spite
the orcs. Which is of course foolishness of the first degree.

The orcs are everywhere. So why target ANN first ?
I have read a lot of misleading information on other sites but then it is not a problem when it is making Hyperion/Etyetech look good.

Again. In january some people told here that the Amigaone would never ship as announced and they have been called trolls.
Some people on this board have very good information on what is going on and are just called trolls because they have been announcing bad news.

"The problem as I see it now is that Eyetech freely admit this, while
Genesi seem to be trying to play it like they only intended a very
limited "release" of the Pegasos all along and what they really meant
to do is make the Pegasos II, but oh by the way it's a good six months
off."

Genesi aim is no the same as Eyetech/Hyperion. Check out the pictures from the Cebit and you will understand.
Morphos as desktop OS is clearly supporting Genesi sales in other markets. This is what allows to maintain this desktop OS.

"Again. On the other hand, Eyetech could have been more
forthcoming about the CPU module affair. ("The A1G3SE is good enough;
people usually just upgrade the whole motherboard anyway!" "Erm,
actually we're having the A1XE now with CPU modules...ahem....")

If Eyetech offers ugrade to the other board it is not a problem.

"At the very least you have to admit the claim for G4 Pegasos modules
to be either an outright lie or a wildly optimistic plan. It's kind of
amusing how the two companies have now switched. ("The G3 Pegasos is
good enough...after all you can just trade it in for a G4 Pegasos II...")"

Genesi could have a G4 module very soon if they really wanted too. The pegasos was aimed to be modular. Genesi decided to move forward as the articia cripples a G4. If they offer a G4 solution with an upgrade offer it is not a problem as it is not a problem for Eyetech to have an upgrade offer from SE to the XE.

"Eyetech has delivered with the AmigaOnes--not any more than with the
Pegasos yet,"
I think that there are much more Pegasos out there than Amigaone so far.
Plus I don't consider the AmigaOnes as being the right slution to use Amiga software.

" but even a small amount is more than the supposed "cheap"
Teron boards that certain people whined about, which failed to
materialize AT ALL. Everyone who got one of those $300-identical-to-
the-$500-AmigaOne-boards raise your hand.... Mmm, didn't think so. "

The Pegasos user groups / developer groups members may raise their hands very soon.
At 500$ the Teron/Pegasos can not sell forever. This is why I'am glad that Genesi move to a more modern design.
I would have wished that OS4 would be ready today as MorphOS is. I would have wished that there were as many Amigaone with OS4 as there are Pegasos + MorphOS, I would have wished that an Amigaone 2 based on newer technologie would be available in september.
The reality is that Genesi delivered while Eyetech/Hyperion is still struggling to do so.
I agree to not take any side but looking at facts I can only have a single conclusion whether "pro Amiga" people like it or not.
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