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| Posted on 12-Mar-2003 05:59 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2003-03-12 08:46:13 GMT by Christian Kemp) | 146 comments
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An anonymous reader links to this message by Alan Redhouse talking about Terrasoft, a possible 1.3Ghz CPU module, and XE delivery dates.
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| Posted by MarkTime on 12-Mar-2003 14:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 73 (DaveP):
OK, I wrote this in a text editor, so it looked like work (I better leave for the day as well)...
I copy and paste now
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@DaveP,
Wow, freaking awesome.
thanks for the response, if we could take everything to this level of discourse,
then that would be much closer to the ideal of the free exchange of ideas.
But, that can't be done for many reasons, one of which you mentioned, most of the time,
we just don't have the time.
People have to work....
to your post,
Its so much easier when debating just to point to things we all know to be true. For
example, is someone remembers something, we can all say, isn't memory imperfect? That's
easier than proving what they said is wrong. Sometimes what they remember is wrong, and
you just can't prove it. Sometimes, maybe their memory isn't wrong, and so of course,
you can't prove its wrong. These types of arguments don't speak to facts, but they aren't meaningless either. Memory isn't perfect, so recollections shouldn't be taken at face value
always....Likewise, it was easier to say of Ben Hermans, doesn't he react when his company is attacked?
Of course...its just a human reaction, it doesn't mean Ben Hermans is a very tolerant
person, it doesn't mean he's not. I just chose something to say, that is common knowledge,
that people, when attacked, often react emotionally. I said it, because one, I don't really
want to debate Ben Hermans on a personal level, and two because it was easy to say.
Ben reacts emotionally at times...he's not a bad person, but it does mean that its hard to
criticize emotional language (my definition of 'trolling') when we all do it at times.
Does it mean we should troll, of course not...no you are correct striving for something better is good. But I hope we are still in agreement, and I think we are, when I say, that
you don't make things better by making them worse. And I submit, that overt censorship
makes things worse. That division makes things worse.
You remember c.s.a.m., do you also remember someone ever saying 'c.s.a.m is just not what it used to be' Things get better, things get worse. But I submit another idea, that people always say things 'are not what they used to be'
Indeed, it won't be long before some people over at AmigaWorld.Net are saying 'AmigaWorld.Net' just isnt what it used to be.'
It was somehow always better in the past. Nostalgia.
This is what bothers me about AmigaWorld.Net, I don't know what they are about, they are just 'another'. They are not amiga.org. They are a place where things will be 'like they used to be'.
As a long time observer, this is nothing but a power play by those who founded amigaworld.net. They offer not much new to the community, while dividing it further.
OK, but I like many sites, may the best site win. Competition is good. but, I cannot make any distinction between a site and its users. A site is its users...the personality of ann.lu is the personality of all of us combined. Ben Hermans, or anyone...attack ann, and you've attacked me. I do condone trolling (allowing people to express their emotions verbally). Why, because I post here, I submit to a site that allows trolling. I will advise anyone its not the best way to make their point. But I will not condemn people for expressing their opinion in words.
I even call the users of Amigaworld.net nancy boys. I regard the community 'as a whole' over there as being preakish, and I don't want to be part of that community. My decision.
Do I really make an effective point by calling them nancy boys? Absolutely not, the biggest problem with that fringe community is their attacks on the mainstream sites, like Amiga.org.
But do I help the image of ann.lu by attacking them back? no...but, being human, I cannot help myself sometimes.
I liked your point about anonymous posting. I would go the other way, though...have a site, where spoofing was solved, by not allowing anyone to post their name at all. But then people would just put their name in the body of the message anyway. But why can't it be about ideas, instead of personalities, on one site? Ann.lu is special because of its free flowing commentary thats goes on forever from the simplest of news items. Its an advantage of this site, and people who don't like anonymity have always been able to go to Amiga.org. That distinguished amiga.org. What distinguishes Amigaworld.net? well so far, I personally don't know...I've heard them give some reasons, but they make no sense to me. Perhaps that is my own limitation.
I have no stake in the success or failure of amigaworld.net.
but I would advise Amiga.org, ann.lu, to weather the storm. ..this is a flash in the pan, excitement over something new. I don't see amigaworld.net being around for the long haul, they have a long way to go, before they have proven they can offer services consistently and better than these two stalwart veterans of the amiga community. |
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