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Pegasos-Italia : Comment 177 of 181ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 09-Nov-2003 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Raffaele):
>>This assuming that the logo is there to offend or criticize
>>Amiga Inc.

>Gabriele are you joking? The danger is real!

I don't see it, at least if that logo is not used
in a commercial way but just to descrive an evolution.

>It could happen that a single moron will signal it to the
>commerce authorities and the judge is forced to proceed if
>he will notice *ANY* infringment of the law.

This assuming somneone else sees it in the way you see. We
are not talking about a promo or a TV spot. We can even call
it 'fan art'.

In this way I consider that logo as funny as another great
work. Do you know stargate SG1? Well, some fan got a lot of
sequences, combined them, added a 'black'n'white+old movie'
effect, removed voices, added subs and a piano bgsound and
procduced a three part wma movie. Is it illegal? Does he
risk anything? The file is available on the web since years
and no one blamed him. And you know, MPAA is a bit more
important than Amiga Inc...

>The procedings to stop che advertising champaign will then
>start automatically.

There is NO advertising campaign, since the logo on
Michele's site is not used to see anything.

>The legal sue will come after, and only when real
>infringment will be certified...

If, not when.

>>First of all, the boing ball is a common logo
>>used for years and Amiga doesn't have the exclusive right to
>Gabriele where do you had lived in these years?

In a country full of amiga fanatics and legal lovers, it
seems.

>Boing Ball is the registered logo of Amiga Inc. as stated
>in a lots of documents into internet... let's do a check
>with a search engine.
>http://amiga.emugaming.com/logo.html
>In which you can read the whole story of the Amiga logos...

And you can even read that the boing ball logo represents
"Amiga philosophy", that there is still a demo with the
boing ball (it couldn't be available if the boing ball was a
registered trademark with exclusive use rights). By browsing
the web or watching magazines you may know that the boing
ball is used evrywhere. So Amiga (or your imaginary judge)
should first think that Amiga inc right now allows the free
use of boing ball, as it is. Any one can use it, without
asking permission. What does this mean to you?

>>Also the site clearly states what is mOS and what is Amiga,
>>so they aren't trying to let people believe they something
>>different.

>So they must drop all things referring to Amiga, except the
>Amiga boingball logo presented in the page of supported
>OSes.

THat's would be correct. Use instead a logo directly related
to OS3.9. But they can refer to Amiga since mOS is an Amiga
compatible OS.

>Because other pictures with both Amiga ball and MorpOS
>butterfly together, could ingenerate confusion and
>consequently are a law infringment as stated in:

No, they can't. At least in users who are able to read.

>>You see, I really think that cooperation would be the best
>>way to work for Amiga (OS4 on Peg would be great),

>Not to talk about what happens to the concept of freedom of
>speech applied into real world...

Thing can be fixed...
just see DeCSS.

For my opinion, the broken ball can be the Amiga community
DeCSS and if there will be any proceedings against Michele
be sure that the next summer I'll print the broken ball logo
on a tshirt and dress it. Not because I like mOS (I repest:
I prefer OS4) but because I like freedom of speech, freddom
of art (that logo IS art) and a free market with
competition.

>>It means: evolution, morph. Not 'you suck, we are
>>the best' or 'amiga is dead we are amiga'.
>>It just means 'amigaos morphed into something new'.
>Genesi had buyed Amiga Inc.?

Should they?

>So until that day in which Genesi will acquire Amiga Inc.,
>both logo must stay well divided.

Still, I don't agree. And Michele is not working/emplotewd
with Genesis. Until there isn't a commercial usage of that
logo he can do what he wants of it.

>Otherwise we are in serious danger to lose the good site
>that Miky realized.

Miky, move the logo on a server in a country outside EU and
live happy. And give me the version without butterflies I
asked you :) I only want the broken ball ;p

>I have some friends of mine who are lawyers and old Amiga
>users. I can ask them if there is some real problem.

So why don't you ask them now if your opinions are correct
and Michele is really risking something for... fan art?

Btw, as I said toi another guy in another thread, now I know
your opinions and you know mine. No need to talk forever
IMHO... especially because each message costs a lot of
bandwidth to ANN.
Jump...
#178 Raffaele
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