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[Rant] Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site.ANN.lu
Posted on 03-Feb-2004 15:32 GMT by Jordan Taylor238 comments
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Today a so-called Amiga site which was supposed to allow freedom of speech has now become a exposed heavily censored website, webmasters acting like children insulting members of the site just because they stand up and say what they think.

I feel betrayed.

Check it out yourself here

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Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 206 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 07-Feb-2004 03:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (samface):
Mr. samface wrote:

>As long as it doesn't bother the other guests, of course not.
>However, we're talking about a forum where everyone
>with an internet access can read what you write.
>That's like standing up and talking out loud to
>everyone in the restaurant.

In this and in previous message you made as examples not common situations but EXTREME SITUATIONS...

No one said rules must be broken or that in a restaurant you are allowed to dance the Hulli-Gulli or being molest...

And if you use the example of restaurants obliging customers to wear ties...

I respond to you that is like entering a forum which obliges every person to register before writing...

If you want to enter that forum, YOU MADE IT BY CHOICE, and it is YOUR PERSONAL choice....and don't consider (and can't) it a PRIVILEDGE

NOT ONLY... BUT ALSO

Did you saw anything similar into ANN for example? SURE NOT!


It is the same thing: «restaurant with ties and logging based forums» and «common restaurants and free forums»...

Again for example I am writing without logging in...

...this is a proof that ANN is a free forum...

BUT MORE

I am writing what I want, even criticizing a certain way to maintain forums by some other webmasters...

BUT no webmaster or moderator ordered me to cease this action...

Even if it could be considered by "someone" an attack versus "all the webmaster's class"

This means the maintainers of this site leave the users freedom of speech...


AND another concept must be "tied" to the previous one in oreder to explain it better...

Here it is:

As long as I am not offensive regarding someone else with my statements I am AGAIN free to write in this forum...

Certainly I could hurt the sensibility of someone else with these concepts, but as long as I AM EXPRESSING my thougts, and my opinions without being offensive... I AM FREE to do that...

It is the logic of a discussion, to share concepts or to compare the concepts between two or more people...

But if I could be censored because I had expressed my opinions, well, I will fight to acquire again my rights, or to ban from the community, who attempting to delete my right of freedom of speech...

Another closer example...

Christian Kemp is not censoring me, this means he and me share common rules, who none had infringed...

-----

Christian offers a service to the community thru his server, and opens it to the public...

And the public, writing on it, finding and signaling news, contribute to keep Christian Kemp's site alive...

I am using his service (the forum) by accepting the rules he establish...

NOT BECAUSE THESE RULES ARE ***HIS RULES***

BUT BECAUSE THESE RULES MATCH THE RULES ACCEPTED BY A COMMUNITY

It is the same concept of the demand and the offer

Sure it is at midway of these both concepts -opportunity and choice-


Priviledge to write in a forum?

I'll leave it to the restaurants(forums) which obliges guests to wear ties...

Like the M$ forums...


In some brief words... Me and the webmaser of ANN a mutual behaviour


Now we have a problem here...

We must find a solution between the concept who have the webmasters that is a priviledge to write into their sites...

...and the concept of the users that webmasters only offer an opportunity
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#207 Wayne Hunt #212 samface
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