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Posted on 27-Feb-2004 08:29 GMT by Christian Kemp | 214 comments View flat View list |
In a thread titled "How many unpaid Genesi employees?" on Moo Bunny, Johan Rönnblom posted his story.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 29-Feb-2004 22:41 GMT | Obviously people posting here have either no brain at all or they are
just desperate to stir up trouble. But just to make a few things
_very_ clear:
1. I have not been "screwed" by anyone. It's true that Thendic owes me
3000 EUR. But the agreement was two-sided - I would also deliver my
IP. Since I'm not paid, Thendic got *nothing* out of me. So the result
is that Thendic lost, I lost, everybody lost. Nobody screwed anyone.
2. For other IP that is being transferred from Thendic to Genesi, we
must note that there are two issues here:
a) Does Thendic own this IP? If not, there are two options:
i) Genesi pays for this IP to the respective owner (eg, some unpaid
contractor)
ii) Genesi doesn't use this IP.
b) Ok - Thendic paid for this IP and owns it. Now Genesi has to
aquire it somehow from Thendic. Naturally the liquidator of Thendic
will want something in return from this.
Thinking that there would be anything fishy about Genesi aquiring IP
from Thendic is really bizarre. What good would this IP be doing, just
lying around at the liquidator? Who else than Genesi has a need for
MorphOS components? Of course the liquidator will be interested in
cooperating with Genesi to get the most out of Thendic's assets.
Then about this silly "BBRV is 'involved' in XYZ so BBRV are
responsible for everything". Bullshit. Learn some basic company law.
Certainly I was quite aware I made an agreement with Thendic and
without any sort of personal bailout by BBRV. Just because you own a
company doesn't mean you have to sell your grandmother in case the
company goes down.
Then finally about the comparison with AInc/McEwen. Of course
it's total bullshit that AInc told their employees to leave - we
know from court documents that they were just strung along. Well, I
think it is really comparable, but let's look at the differences:
1) AInc did this for a lot longer time.
2) AInc owes people a *lot* more money than Thendic/Genesi.
3) AInc have not even started to pay for over a year now, while
Genesi's troubles are just a few months old and being worked on (of
course you can speculate all you want, and I won't tell any inside
info to stop you).
Besides this, AInc did a lot of other things, like:
a) T-shirt/coupon scam.
b) Lying about OS4 being nearly finished when in fact it wasn't even
started.
c) Entering a stupid contract with Thendic, and then breaking it.
d) Selling IP they didn't own (parts of OS3.9, TCP/IP for example).
I could go on. But the part about not telling employees and
contractors to find new jobs when payments can't be made is
comparable. AInc loses even this partial comparison badly - but of
course, two wrongs does not make a right. That's why I wrote my story.
I'm sick and tired of people getting hurt because bad stuff is being
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