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[Rant] Attempt to get AROS, AmigaOS and MorphOS on one tableANN.lu
Posted on 20-Mar-2004 15:38 GMT by oGALAXYo16 comments
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I would like to promote my idea how we all could benefit from this. I have made a nice large comment on MorphZone yesterday with an idea how we can improve the community and present ourselves better in the public. Later on I was thinking a bit deeper about how many duplicate work we are doing too because of no real organization. We are alienating ourselves as a community because of some silly ideals and we do damage ourselves with it.

I have peeked over to the AROS code for a while and saw that there are quite a lot of nice Open Source (and Free Software) projects maintained in their 'contribute' repository but after all it's just AROS who largely benefit from this. Not the rest.

I would like to give an example here (Directory Opus 4). In the past there were 3-4 different attempts to continue working on Directory Opus 4. Trying to fix the code, improve it and release new versions. Imo this is a very very nice idea and the right idea too but nobody is really helped that way besides those whose target system is supported only with that. This means people start to grab the software and make individual forks of it and some of the people don't feel the need or urge to forward the changes to the maintainer so we all can benefit from it. There are usually 3-4 attempts of one Software to be forked and worked on, which causes a lot of maintainance and problems on the long run.

I would therefore like to ask whether we can get along somehow and start hosting good Open Source (and Free Software) projects on serious locations such as SourceForge or Savvanah and start working on it in a normal way. That is make sure it works on AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS4. So whenever something gets changed, we all benefit from it. Unfortunately this means that we should start to learn to co-operate here and not hide the changes we made like it was something secret or magic. We need to learn that we have to give back something to those who gave us all this great Open Source software we benefit from. And we do benefit largely from it. But it's really sad to see all the fragmentation showing up. All the little cut out projects where people start hacking on, then losing interests, then someone else splits the project etc. We need to organize ourselves much better here and start pumping that stuff on the right locations and work nicely on it.

A neutral repository where we can work on the stuff like GNOME and KDE does, they have one big CVS repository where they have pumped all the Open Source stuff on and where people who are interested start working on it. Working in a way so everyone can benefit from it - not just AROS. When we commit changes to say Dopus4 then we should all benefit from it.

I know with Dopus4 that's just one example there are other examples as well... I think you got the message here.

I have been talking with some AROS developers and they heartly welcome this. It's not just for them, it's also for us and for me personally I don't care where the location of the software is as long as we can work together on it so improvements can be shared between all Amiga compatible systems.

Feedback is welcome here. Please make sure you read my comment and reply on MorphZone specially my second reply there (last paragraph). I know there are some attempts to reach something similar already. There are a lot of fine developers who have similar stuff in mind. But we should really start to organize more and not duplicate the work.

greetings,

oGALAXYo

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Comment 1Jupp320-Mar-2004 14:52 GMT
Comment 2oGALAXYo20-Mar-2004 14:53 GMT
Comment 3Joe "Floid" Kanowitz20-Mar-2004 15:46 GMT
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Attempt to get AROS, AmigaOS and MorphOS on one table : Comment 6 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by oGALAXYo on 20-Mar-2004 23:04 GMT
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How is this related to the call up of more organization and not duplicating work such as porting and improving DOpus etc. ?

That's somethign we developers have in our hand and everyone who is still clear in his mind and like to participate should do this. There is a difference between AROS source and CONTRIB sources and I don't see the point to hide them from the public.

This was just an example anyways. Until now everyone should have figured out that we need to organize and improve better here so we can work better on the open source stuff and make it usable for any Amiga compatible architecture.

I am a bit pissed off about the people outside who have their head stuck up their arse. If people would better spent their time in doing something more constructive than jumping from one court announce editorial to another (which fills Phoenbooks full of bullshit) then we would be a good step further.

There are a lot of us who are willing to work together in improving the open source stuff. Think about this. If we split out the contrib stuff in a more public way so we can access it, fix it, improve it and make it work on AROS AND MorphOS AND AmigaOS then we will benefit from it. We the users and developers benefit from it since we maintain just one code of this stuff and not 20. It will even give you the AROS people the positibilty to concentrate on more important stuff and this will also create the posibility other stuff (even not found in AROS) can be used and maintained somehow so we all can benefit from it. This was not just about AROS or something. It was a general thing with all the open source stuff found outside that gets forked 20 times and nobody willing to put his changes back so even others can benefit from it. Which is quite an abusive behaviour.

And here a sentence about those who permanently block this process of better organization, teamwork, giving back to the community. These are mostly nondevelopers people who have nothing better to do in their poor life rather than painting a black picture about their little freakish world. Full of shit, full of frustration, full of clueless nothing. We shouldn't fool or step back from our efforts changing something on the Amiga just because they tell us so. They can simply fuck the hell off and go where the sun never shines. These people should better spent reading a good book about howto code some tiny shit rather than moving like gypsies from flame article to another and make the situation even shittier than it really is.

I am not here to re-create the community. I am here to ask a simple question if we (those who are seriously interested) could organize a bit better for the benefit of ourselves and others.

greetings,

oGALAXYo
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