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| Posted on 20-Jun-2004 13:11 GMT by MOSlem | 137 comments
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With this mail I want to thank everyone (bPlan, Genesi, MorphOS developer team and all the volunteers) involved into the PegasosII and MorphOS for keeping up the good old Amiga spirit and showing us the future for Amiga. Big thanks to all of you who you spent all the years onto the Amiga and finally found a new real path for the Amiga. For me as user PegasosII and MorphOS is everything that I want to see a modern Amiga should be. Quite modern and affordable Hardware, a nice clean and fast Operating System and all the developers and 3rd party people heavily supporting it. Without you the Amiga would still be a dead thing but with all you people we are happy to look forward into a nice future.
Thanks again.
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| Posted by Sammy Nordström on 23-Jun-2004 06:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 112 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>> Again, AmigaOS4 *is* AmigaOS, not a re-implementation of AmigaOS.
>
>Do you know what a reimplementation is? I guess not.
>AmigaOS4 is not a direct port of the AmigaOS source code. Most of it has been
>rewritten, retaining compatability. What is that? A reimplementation.
You're missing one small but important detail; AmigaOS4 is AmigaOS. I mean, you
sound like I would be claiming that AmigaOS4 would be the same as AmigaOS3.x. I'm not. I'm saying that AmigaOS4 is AmigaOS just like AmigaOS3.x or any other version of AmigaOS is AmigaOS.
I guess what you are saying is that AmigaOS4 is a re-implementation of it's
predecessor (ie AmigaOS3.x), which is no different from any previous versions of
AmigaOS. All versions of AmigaOS is a reimplementation of it's predeccessor. I
really don't see why that would have to be pointed out to begin with.
>> MorphOS, even if it contains AmigaOS wrappers and reverse engineered AmigaOS
>> APIs, is an entirely new product line rather than a re-implementation of the
>> AmigaOS.
>
>Argh! You just said it yourself that it contains "reverse engineered AmigaOS
>APIs"... What did they do with those APIs? They did reimplement them!
>For a programmer you sound pretty clueless...
They implemented (not *re*implemented) those reverse engineered APIs, yes. That is NOT the same thing as implementing nor re-implementing the original APIs of the original AmigaOS.
>> The wrappers and APIs are there for making the transition to the new OS and
>> hardware platform a bit more convinient and attractive for AmigaOS users,
>> but that doesn't change the fact that it's an entirely new OS with it's own
>> specific design, extensions and functionality that is completely different
>> from the real AmigaOS.
>
>You really don't have no clue about MorphOS, so give up already... Ok?
>MorphOS on it's whole is different but the A/Box, the "thing" that everybody
>sees and uses right now is EXACTLY what AmigaOS is.
I might not be a MorphOS expert, but surely you realize that neither you or I are in a position to decide what is or what isn't AmigaOS? The A/Box is not even an OS on it's own, it's just a "sandbox" within MorphOS for providing backwards compatibility with older versions of the AmigaOS product line. MorphOS "native" software won't run on any version of the AmigaOS product line without emulation. I don't know about you, but that's not *exactly* the same to me.
>It uses the AmigaOS
>design,
No. The Q/Box is no AmigaOS design and the A/Box is only replicating older and outdated designs of the AmigaOS product line.
>API etc.
No. It's alike in a "acts and looks" kind of fashion, that's all.
>People can go on using that even after the Q/Box gets ready.
>It is built so that compatibility can be retained "forever" while moving to a
>more modern environment.
Which is exactly what makes it an entirely new OS on it's own rather than just a re-implementation of the AmigaOS. See?
>On the other hand, on AmigaOS4, Hyperion already expressed their intent to
>remove backward compatibility when it reaches maturity on a software level.
>At that point what will be left for old AmigaOS users? Most AmigaOS users that
>have PCs use certain OLD software for the Amiga even when there are
>replacements for their platform AND the PC. They use those programs because
>they do the job they want to do better. Fine. These progs will be gone
>forever...
Or, they'll simply take up on Cloanto's offer and integrate Amiga Forever... Who cares? I think it's a good thing that someone finally draws the line and enforces compatibility with modern standards. We've been stuck with the old standards for way too long. If you're so "dependant" on old Amiga software, get a PC with UAE.
Anyway, that's a completely different topic.
>Face it Samface...
That's probably the wittiest comment I've ever seen from you. That's not a compliment, mind you. |
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