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[News] Milan060 to be manufactured by MotorolaANN.lu
Posted on 05-Feb-2000 09:46 GMT by Christian Kemp15 comments
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Somebody in the newsgroups noticed that the Milan - more or less the Atari equivalent of the BoXer - will be produced directly by Motorola. It includes a MC68060 with at least 66Mhz, 80Mhz is under construction, 64 MB SDRAM, a SoundBlaster SB64 PCI, ATI Mach 64 with 4MB Videoram, expandable up to 16MB, two USB ports, other standard ports. Take a look at the Milan 060 page here.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 1 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Looks a lot like the boxer to me ...
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 2 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Mathew on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Except with a few flaws. It won't run the Amiga OS, it has no PowerPC option,
it only handles 1.44mb floppies, no custom chip set, no Zorro card slots, no
video card slots, etc.
I'll stick with either the BoXeR or the Amino/Tao offering depending on which I see first
that impresses me.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 3 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mathew):
> Except with a few flaws. It won't run the Amiga OS, it has no PowerPC option,
> it only handles 1.44mb floppies, no custom chip set, no Zorro card slots, no
> video card slots, etc.
> I'll stick with either the BoXeR or the Amino/Tao offering depending on which
> I see first that impresses me.
I'm wondering how well an adapted version of UAE would run on such a machine.
(ie. the CPU wouldn't have to be emulated, the custom chips wouldn't be needed
by just using Picasso96 modes, etc.).
I could live without PowerPC option, don't need AGA screenmodes, haven't touched an Amiga floppy in years, and wouldn't need the Zorro slots.
On second thought, how well would AROS run on a Milan? I assume that since the 060 is used, recompilation of binaries might not be necessary?
Any comments?
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 4 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by CCRider on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
It's really the end of the world...
Even ATARI is better supported by Motorola than Amiga... :/
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 5 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Christian Kemp):
> I'm wondering how well an adapted version of UAE would run on such a machine.
> (ie. the CPU wouldn't have to be emulated, the custom chips wouldn't be needed
> by just using Picasso96 modes, etc.).
Not bloody well.
And yes, the cpu would have to be emulated. You can't do the same thing as with mac emulators.
Not possible, as AmigaOS requires to mess around with the cpu.
And again, the custom chips are needed to run AmigaOS.
Simply not possible.
Now get rid of that anti-ppc attitude....
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 6 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Olsen):
> And again, the custom chips are needed to run AmigaOS.
Draco?
> Now get rid of that anti-ppc attitude....
I don't have an anti-PPC attitude. I just refuse to see the PPC as
a solution to any and all problems. A PPC will only be useful once there is a
native OS to run on it, and once there are decent drivers for SCSI/GFX/Ethernet
to complement it.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 7 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Clarke on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
How can it be that a new motherboard for an Atari ST compatible computer can be released by MOTOROLA! of all people.
How? Tell me.
What's going on here?
How can it sell enough for Motorola to become involved?
I don't get it.....
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 8 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Lars Nelson on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mike Clarke):
Perhaps it is simply that nobody has approached Motorola concerning the
manufacturing of an Amiga board. This Milan board could be utilized as
an Amiga compatible as well, with some PCB changes of course.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 9 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Mathew on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mike Clarke):
Maybe it's a not really as much an Atari compatable as a custom Motorola 68k
board they adapted the Atari to run on. Maybe it could be easily made
into a 68k Mac machine with with the right software, or a custom chip-less
68k Amiga, or a 68k Linux machine! Could it be something similar to a
POP box for the 68k instead of PowerPC?
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 10 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Frederik on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
It sucks
The Atari more supported than the AMiGA, that sucks...
but hell why not become an atari owner instead..
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 11 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
> And again, the custom chips are needed to run AmigaOS.
> Draco?
AFAIK, the Draco has an altered Kickstart. I would like to see an unmodified Kickstart 3.1 run without the custom chips.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 12 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by victor on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
One thing is for sure: they belive in their favourite, at least as much that very probably not only one guy working on it, not like Mick on the Boxer...
Anyway, this 'Milan II' is rather for 'nostalgy', as there is no place for better CPU, and the Atari(T)OS is a quite old and limited one, I wonder if it was enhanced.
As of PPC: Petro himself stated that the PPC-port of the AmigaOS has the highest priority... (The question is just that is this work even started yet?)
(For email writing (hi Chris!) it's true it doesn't counts, but there is many other tasks in that it makes sense... To say the least.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 13 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
>A PPC will only be useful once there is a native OS to run on it,
>and once there are decent drivers for SCSI/GFX/Ethernet.
As for GFX: Frank Mariak is working on CyberGraphX PPC-native in connection
with the MorphOS project - maybe it will run on AmigaOS as well? Then H&P have
confirmed (IIRC) that they now have the "okay" for porting AmigaOS to PPC (and
for what i heard in my talks on the Cologne computer fair last year and what Mr. Haage
himself stated in an interview with the german mag AmigaOS the port has already begun
- long before the official "Okay" was given.
And if OS and GFX are PPC-native i really could afford the context switches for 68k based
Ethernet drivers until they are made PPC-native, too ;-))) SCSI might be a little problem
though as it is significantly faster than Ethernet but again it would be a matter of time IMHO.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 14 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by Mario Saitti on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mike Clarke):
> How can it be that a new motherboard for an Atari ST compatible computer can > be released by MOTOROLA! of all people.
Because it very likely isn't.
> How? Tell me.
> What's going on here?
> How can it sell enough for Motorola to become involved?
> I don't get it.....
Because you are thinking the wrong thing:)
Motorola is among other things a manufacturer. They are paid to manufacture something and they do it. There is no incentive there other than money. I have not looked at who owns the board, but I am not willing to believe it is Motorola. I am 100% all they are doing is building it. Much the same way as IBM will be manufacturing the Crusoe. The fact that the same company also manufactures the CPU will be further incentive for Motorola to give a good deal on the manufacturing costs.
A manufacturer manufactures...
Mario.
Milan060 to be manufactured by Motorola : Comment 15 of 15ANN.lu
Posted by John Chandler on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mike Clarke):
>How can it be that a new motherboard for an Atari ST compatible computer can be released by MOTOROLA! of all people.
The Milan ST-clone has been in production for a while now - if you think Amiga users pay a lot for 68K Amiga, you should see the amount Atari users have to pay for equivalent machines! As far as I'm aware, Motorola are manufacturing the boards on behalf of the Milan's developers. I'm sure if an Amiga hardware developer approached Motorola with a nice offer, they'd get their boards manufactured too.
>How can it sell enough for Motorola to become involved?
I have to confess I'm not sure about this. From what I know about the Milan, it sells in extremely limited numbers. Presumably the fact it's almost a generic 68060 board means it appeals to developers outside the Atari community - i.e. 68K embedded systems developers, who still make up a sizeable niche market.
John
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