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[News] Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga?ANN.lu
Posted on 05-Feb-2000 17:27 GMT by Christian Kemp19 comments
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A posting to an Atari newsgroup mentioned this: A combined Atari/Amiga exposition is planned in Hennef (Germany, near Bonn) in April/May. Date not yet fixed. Not only the Milan II will be present (also on the Cebit in Feb) but also "an Amiga of the new generation". It will be a "comeback event", thousands of visitors expected. Contact : Falke Verlag Any comments?
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 1 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Lynxx on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Seems to be a fake, take a look at Messeinfo Hennef (German)
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 2 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Luca on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Until it's officially announced by Fleecy or Bill I don't believe a word. Enough rumors already!!
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 3 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by CubiQue on 04-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
There already was an announcement about an amiga/atari fair about a year ago from the amigaOS mag staff.
The facility in Hennef is not that large and important, maybe they just update their pages once in a while.
Anyway, i would really love it, Hennef is just around the corner for me ;)
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 4 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
To me it looks like Falke (Atari oriented!) wants to use the publicity and the
good name of Amiga to attract more visitors for an otherwise rather uninteresting
fair. Even if there would be a "Comback Event" i highly doubt it would take place
in Hennef, although it would be the first time i could attend a presentation of a
new Amiga as it is just about an hour away by car :-) But IMHO it`s nothing one
should take too serious ...
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 5 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ralph):
If Amiga are working with TAO Group, and Motorola are investing in TAO Group, then
maybe there's a possibility of Mot's STB running the Amiga/TAO environment? This
would be a wonderful re-uniting of the Atari/Amiga families, as Mot's STB uses the
NUON media processor designed by the ex-Atarian Richard Miller at VMLabs. This
would make me sooo happy, as however powerful NUON actually is seems less important
to me than its novel (and scalable) architecture and return to soft-coded rather
hard-wired funtionality. BTW, Mot just bought GI, a leading maker of STBs.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 6 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Luca):
I agree with comment 2. Bill McEwen stated in the last executive update : "if you hear something and that it's not on our web site, then it's wrong".
Simple, isn't it ?
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 7 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Ehm, who wants to be "reunited" with the Atari crowd? :) Not that Amiga and Atari people ever were "united", more like the complete opposite...
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 8 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Exactly. The yucky old ST is something that we DO NOT want to be associated with at all. All this talk of 'users of alternative platforms should stand against the PC' - get lost. The Amiga is a classic computer that was always vastly superior to the ancient, smelly old ST. The Amiga has an excellent chance of re-birth and we will do so without any old never-was-beens acting as dead weight trying to steel a small part of the glory.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 9 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Correction, the Amiga and Atari crowds have quite a bit of united history. I'd note, Jay Miner (father of the Amiga) began with Atari. All of the innovations we find in the Amiga today began back during his Atari days. But, while Amiga got the best of the best, it's older brother got the shaft, using off-the-shelf parts instead of high-end customized components. An Amiga/atari re-unification could be great however.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 10 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by JR on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
I'd like to know their source. If they don't have one, I'd blow it off.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 11 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Steve Crietzman on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Nathaniel Downes):
I agree. I think the issue is not whether the Atari ST or Amiga is
superior, but the ability to have a choice to be able to freely
choose which to buy and use. Nobody should take away that choice, and
we should fight to protect it. If history was reversed, and the Atari
was more popular, I'd like to think Atarians would still stick up for
Amigans right to choose Amiga, and not try to squeeze us out.
Both deserve to exist as choices. The reason so many people have "a
thing" with Microsoft is because they feel that MS are threatening
and that MS can't tolerate competition (i.e. choices).
The worst thing for us to do is bash Microsoft, only to behave like
them, think like them, and act like them - i.e. to become our enemy.
Let's not be like Microsoft.
If we are going to preach competition and choice against a bohemoth
like Microsoft, we need to back it up in the things we say and the
things we do, and show what the alternative is: choice, freedom,
openness, competition, diversity.
I don't want Amiga to be the next Microsoft. I don't want *anyone* to
be the Next Microsoft, MS are bad enough without a successor :p And I
seriously hope MS lose their court case and de-monopolised in such a
way that the small guys have a chance to compete again.
The alternative to Microsoft's Way, is to promote competition,
diversity and openness, against the Microsoft Way of monopoly,
lack of choice and closed systems that are forced upon us.
Regards,
Steve Crietzman
Open Amiga/COSA
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 12 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 05-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Steve Crietzman):
Exactly!
While everyone in Europe was comparing the Amiga to the Atari, debating the strengths
and weaknesses of both, here in the US everyone was miserably using Macs and PCs.
When I look at the remaining Atari faithful, I see they've alot in common with us.
Both communities have survived ever dwindling numbers in hope of a return to the old
way of the "Golden Age". Some will recall nothing more than the bitter feuding among
both groups, but this was a very good time relative to now for both of us. Anyone
still waiting for an Amiga or Atari revival should try to focus on why this era was
so good to begin with. I think it had alot to do with efficiency and innovation, and
that the remaining Atari users appreciate these things as much as we do whether or not
their platform was as good as our own. I'd have no problem seeing AOS3.5 running on a
Milan machine, or even ported to a Falcon. Even better would be to have a powerful
new platform which both groups would see as building on the strengths and legacy of
their favourite computers. Stop this war and face the real enemy!
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 13 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil Hvalstrand on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Ther is time to make a POP Amiga/Atari/Linux/QNX/Mac PPC bord.
Allowing AtariOS and AmigaOS to live side by side.
Making the computers chiper and Faster, more hardware,
with lager united user base.
The costem chips most be replased sunner or layter enny way.
By Gfx crads with "3D chips" and SCSI chips and JAVA - hardware, MPEG chips,
on cards this time. Old software need to be emulated enny way on a PPC.
This dreem can not be complited until the AtariOS/AmigaOS is translated to C++,
and the old 68k is emulated.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 14 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil Hvalstrand on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
If you can't bet them then join them. :)
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 15 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Well, the Millan 2 may not be PPC, but on the other hand, it certainly does look powerful enough to handle about any modern use. Also the idea of Atari and Amiga users unighting in fine with me, if we can both run our OS's on the same hardware, then that is kool, this will also keep the open and choice ideas free, while at the same time making sure not to run into compatability problems, run what ever you want on what ever hardware!!! For me personally though, if I bought a MIllan 2, it would be basically to see how Amiga OS, and Linux would run on it, then of course to play around in Magic (a nice OS, but a bit behind on software support).
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 16 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (XDelusion):
then of course to play around in Magic (a nice OS, but a bit behind on software support).
Name one os, besides MacOS and WinSlows that is not behind on the software side!
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 17 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
It is guite unbelieveable that Motorola will be making the Milan2 (68k only) motherboards !
Why not Boxer then? It would support also PPC.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 18 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
What does any of this matter?
We're talking about two pretty much dead and unsupported OS's.
Why does Microsoft do so well?
A lot of it IS marketing, pushing competition to join or sell up like Netscape and Apple.
I'm an IT engineer in the UK and I can tell you that what we can do with Microsoft products wouldn't be possible with anything else. Don't get me wrong I love the Amiga but it doesn't cut it.
Things we do with M$ products:
Windows NT Terminal Server
One of the best pieces of software ever to come out of Seattle. This speeds up administration times and saves more money than I like to think of. If you aren't familiar with Terminal Server you could probably guess what it does by the name, a pure Unix ripoff, we have six powerful HP servers with 2 processors each, near a Gb of RAM and Raid5 in each. Not a cheap setup I know, but these machines serve many Winterms, (also obvious in the Unix world what these do). The Winterms are nothing more than pretty GUI based terminal boxes displaying Windows NT not by loading but just a simple GUI, inside them are a couple of PS2 connections, a graphics card, a network card and that's it, no processor or memory (loading time, about 5 seconds from switch on). The company I work for is spread across 12 sites (ranging from 20 people to hundreds) up and down the country all connected by frame relay, so central administration is a must when you can't have someone on every site.
We can grab user's screens and take over them with the user looking on. Easy, quick administration from your own PC, also a good training aid.
Microsoft Exchange Server
Exchange integrates itself with the domain its connected to, so any user that's set up is automatically done with an email account which requires NO setup on the user's part. (no POP3 setup, all automated, the user doesn't even know.) When they open Microsoft Outlook they have their mail box all ready to send and recieve to the world, and can participate in the open forums available (like newsgroups but with a bit more bite).
There are other Windows NT servers, one PDC, one BDC, one SQL, one DNS server, a couple of Unix's for databases, but the bottom line is, the whold lot took about three months to create from scratch, that's using inferior intel chips, inferior Microsoft, inferior NT...
The point is, just about every business from 10 people and above want something that's going to work for them, not having to prat around waiting for something to be written or invented to get the job done.
Once Amiga or Linux (especially Linux I hope, as I use it for my firewall and print servers) make a product(s) that can do this then I would take them into consideration.
Inferior Microsoft, I think everyone else needs to catch up before they have the right to say anything.
But I still like the Amiga.
Atari/Amiga exposition, new gen Amiga? : Comment 19 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Dirk Digler on 06-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ben Yoris):
You're not allowed to use quotemarks if it's not a quote!
THIS is a quote:
"If you did not hear it from us, or read it here on this web site it is not true."
Get it? ;-)
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