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[News] The greenboy Interview (Part II: The QNX Link)ANN.lu
Posted on 09-Feb-2000 14:39 GMT by Christian Kemp5 comments
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John Chandler posted the second part of the Greenboy interview on Suite101. This one has details on the QNX link, and should be worth a look.
The greenboy Interview (Part II: The QNX Link) : Comment 1 of 5ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 08-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
What's pleasing about this is that Elate/Intent can work with QNX. This could mean that there is a way to combine all the work done by the community, Gateway and Amiga (Amino).
The greenboy Interview (Part II: The QNX Link) : Comment 2 of 5ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 08-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Big questions about Neutrino:
1) Available to entire community?
2) Runnable on 680xx Amigas?
3) PowerPC as well?
4) Is this the QNX for Amiga promised by QNX or something else?
5) How much?
The greenboy Interview (Part II: The QNX Link) : Comment 3 of 5ANN.lu
Posted by Curious on 09-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
THe Phase 5/QNX deal was with an emulator supplied by Phase 5. Dunno how good it was, they seemed to think it was pretty good, however they also had a shocking support history and are now bankrupt, - so.
Does anyone know much about the emulator? If it is a nice small one, maybe QNX can incorporate it.
I know it's just eye candy, but if the desktop looks anything like what was posted on QNX's web site, I want it!
The desktop IS, as they said, the centre for computer use with developers and home users.
The greenboy Interview (Part II: The QNX Link) : Comment 4 of 5ANN.lu
Posted by John Chandler on 09-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (John Block):
> 1) Available to entire community?
Available to anyone, once the beta-testing is out of the way. Both QNX and Phoenix want to see this OS in widespread use.
> 2) Runnable on 680xx Amigas?
In theory, QNX could port Neutrino to any processor. However, QNX mentioned way back when they were working with Amiga that the 68K market was too small to be worthwhile and that the development time was better spent elsewhere.
If you could prove it's viable, they probably wouldn't turn down the offer to port it once work on the PowerPC, x86 and MIPS versions is in use.
> 3) PowerPC as well?
Yup. Neutrino runs on x86 and PowerPC, and I think also MIPs.
> 4) Is this the QNX for Amiga promised by QNX or something else?
To my knowledge this is an extension of the very same work that QNX did for Amiga.
> 5) How much?
Unknown. Hopefully QNX and/or Phoenix will be able to fill in the details sometime soon.
Hope this helps. The above is my understanding of the situation, so don't quote me as definite! :-)
John
The greenboy Interview (Part II: The QNX Link) : Comment 5 of 5ANN.lu
Posted by Mario Saitti on 09-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (John Chandler):
> 1) Available to entire community?
> Available to anyone, once the beta-testing is out of the way. Both QNX and
> Phoenix want to see this OS in widespread use.
The hard part:) Phoenix wants to see everything it's members do succeed on a wide scale. It's at the crux of Phoenix's intentions.
> 2) Runnable on 680xx Amigas?
> In theory, QNX could port Neutrino to any processor. However, QNX mentioned
> way back when they were working with Amiga that the 68K market was too small > to be worthwhile and that the development time was better spent elsewhere.
NTO is written in C, so most of it is actually quite portable. One of the problems is that it uses some aspects of the processor it runs on for optimisation. But the main issue as you note is viability. Why port it to a processor which is not being actively developed, is already outdated and addresses a market which other than the niche Amiga/Mac/Atari etc... is superceded by other technologies such as the Coldfire? Porting NTO to the Coldfire would make more sense than 68k, even then the Coldfire is a very dangerous option. Transmeta and other similair technologies will make the most sense in the future. (Note I mean via an emulated ISA and not a native VLIW instruction set in Crusoe's case.)
> If you could prove it's viable, they probably wouldn't turn down the offer to
> port it once work on the PowerPC, x86 and MIPS versions is in use.
The easy part;) If this were 1994, it would make good sense. It would be a good transitional strategy. But this is 2000:(
> 3) PowerPC as well?
Yup. Neutrino runs on x86 and PowerPC, and I think also MIPs.
If it doesn't now it will soon. I suspect the ARM series will also follow shortly too. Transmeta is already covered by X86. That is pretty portable imo.
> 4) Is this the QNX for Amiga promised by QNX or something else?
> To my knowledge this is an extension of the very same work that QNX did for
> Amiga.
That's right. Although there have been some major additions since then.
> 5) How much?
> Unknown. Hopefully QNX and/or Phoenix will be able to fill in the details
> sometime soon.
This is something Phoenix will be able to comment on and hopes to influence, but the decision will always be QSSL's as is the case of any Phoenix member's product.
> Hope this helps. The above is my understanding of the situation, so don't
> quote me as definite! :-)
You did great John. Thanks!
Mario.
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