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Posted on 13-Feb-2000 09:46 GMT by Christian Kemp9 comments
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Nabil Gonem writes: Medici is a games development team that have just completed a new game for the Amiga. It is called "Ali Baba" and is a platform game. Our site gives details of "Ali Baba", including screenshots and a demo to download. The game will be reviewed soon by several Amiga magazines, including AmigaFuture, AmigaOS, AmigaScene and AmigaPower.


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Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 1 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Oh god... who will PAY for a game like this???? I bet it doesn't even support RTG... :/
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 2 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by Paolo "Mod3m" D'Urso on 12-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
There's nothing more stupid than write comment and don't add your name.
This "Anonimous" guy writes against EVERY game released on Amiga..
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 3 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 12-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
I am sure the programmer worked hard on this, and I hope he had a great time, and I look foward to the nestalgia!
Though, and I am not trying to be offencive to the programmer of this game at all, but when will I see Unreal Tournement on Amiga? It is on Linux, and so is Q3, so where is the Amiga version, if no one with an Amiga can handle this conversion, then we need to be getting in touch with those Linux guys who could learn!!!
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 4 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (XDelusion):
I don't think that lack of skilled programmers is the reason for so few software titles on amiga. Let me give you a secret: $$$.
So Quake 3 is for Linux you say. And so many other games is for Linux. But that is only half of the truth.
It is only for Linux/i386. Which means, that if a Linux/PPC, Linux/Sparc, Linux/Alpha, Linux/Arm, Linux/whatever user wants to play it, too bad.
All the os specific stuff is written, all that is needed is byteswapping. So why isn't there a Linux/not-i386 version of Unreal or Quake 3 ?
IMHO, both suck anyways. Quake 1 rules.
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 5 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mark Olsen):
Well, that is a pretty good argument, except that Quake 1 is kool, but not something that is revolutionary (the key word that should be shipped with every Amiga).
Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament on Linux were done for Free, and can be downloaded for Free, so it is not the money, infact those people did it on there own time because they like Linux, and want Linux to succeed, thus they are making it more appealing to the standard consumer, by making the latest and greatest available. So if there are not a lack of good programmers, or let me rephrase that: A lack of programmers skilled in those fields, then I wish like hell they would pop up there heads, and help make Amiga more appealing.
Finally, as for the CPU conversion, well, it is not like it has not been done before, but then again, if Amiga goes open source then that wont' be a total problem, I would be happy running my Amiga on a Transmeta/AMD processor, sure they are not as good as the G4 in some respects, IE Transmeta may be slower, but it is programable. As for the 3DFX, or the Nvdia cards...
... don't even start to compare AGA or any of Amiga's GFX cards with those, we are simply just behind, and not longer as revolutionary except for the fact that you can still upgrade old out of production Amiga hardware to pretty much meet todays standards via a series of expensive, and well researched cards.
ANyhow my point is that Amiga OS could run on today's PeeSeas, and those PeeSeas are only as good as you build them, it is not like since Hewlett packard, compaq and the like can't seem to put something stable together, that all PeeSea hardware is unstable, and untrustworthy. Hell Linux runs awsome on the very same hardware that Winblows runs crappy on.
ANyhow, taken this path once again these games, and new Amiga hardware could be here now, and if we wish to use better hardware, then those who have the talents and the desire can work Amiga OS to work on that hardware, and the games revamped to support those differing CPU's.
I know you like your old hardware, so do I, but lets face it. THey are our of production, and can only be updated via a series of hacks, not something that is appealing to the modern market, the days of the created user have seemed to pass, now people want to simply goto the shop and pick up a computer, not be expect to learn all the ins and outs of it, so they can upgrade the damn thing. IE There is a wire you have to solder to connect that one slot in the 3000 to a certain chip, to take advantage of the upcoming???? G4's, and if you want to upgrade the Zorro 3 slots to PCI, you have to hack the heck out of the system BUS because it is so old and slow....
Wake up people, things are not going to go the way we wanted them to, Gateway screwed us all over, now we must do what we must do to keep Amiga alive, and 10+ year old, out of production hardware is not the key answer. I am sorry! I feel for ya, saddens me too really.
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 6 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mark Olsen):
Ok I spoke too soon...
If Amiga Inc. is working with Tao on the OS, and they are somehow going to work there Elate OS into all this, then that is that, that is the future, and apparently that is what we need to focus on (sorry this is going way away from the game this is supposed to be about but, I guess it is all related in the end).
And this could be a good thing, you mentioned conversion to a different kind of code, well check out this feature of Elate @
http://www.tao-group.com/2/tao/index.html
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What features does Elate have?
Although Elate offers all the features that one would expect from an operating system (filesystem, memory management, real time scheduling, high level libraries) it is positively distinguished from its rivals in many critical areas.
Principally it offers truly portable code with no need to recompile programs to run on any Elate VP-based processor. This code is written to a Virtual Processor, (the specification of a 32 bit RISC imaginary processor), and is then translated from Virtual Processor code (VP code) into the native code of the target processor at load time. As a result of this Elate can be ported in its entirety without the necessity to rewrite anything more than the translator, and certain platform and processor specific parts. In short there is no need whatsoever for a complete rewrite.
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it! There already ahead of us it seems!!! :)
Glad to see our new owners are thinking ahead, this once again sounds like a revolutionary idea.
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 7 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (XDelusion):
Ok, so lynx suck bigtime for textfields. Lets try again.
> Well, that is a pretty good argument, except that Quake 1 is kool,
> but not something that is revolutionary (the key word that should be
> shipped with every Amiga).
> Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament on Linux were done for Free,
No, they were certainly not done for free.
> and can be downloaded for Free, so it is not the money,
As free as the Windows version is. You still have to pay for the game.
> infact those people did it on there own time because they like Linux,
No, they did not do it on their own. Carmack himself did the Q3 port, and Unreal Tournament was also done in house.
> and want Linux to succeed, thus they are making it more appealing to the
> standard consumer, by making the latest and greatest available.
Ok, i like Amiga. I want it to suceed, and i want to make the latest and the greatest available.
So, what is stopping me from porting Q3 to Amiga ?
Money! I would need a truckload of money for licensing, as long as it isn't done inhouse.
And it won't unless Amiga becomes a media thing as Linux is now.(not saying that Linux is bad, but it is a media thing)
A programmer usually doesn't decide if the company will do a Linux or Amiga port of whatever the company makes.
It is not that simple. If it just were.
> Finally, as for the CPU conversion, well, it is not like it has not been
> done before, but then again, if Amiga goes open so
I was talking about a Linux/PPC port. Why isn't that done ? As all the Linux specific code is written, why not just do the nescessary byteswapping and compile or for Linux/PPC ?
> ANyhow my point is that Amiga OS could run on today's PeeSeas,
Except that i will never in my lifetime code i386 asm. It sucks bigtime. And so does the CPU.
And the irq restriction thing. And all the other ristrictions. Naa, if Amiga is going off-platform, it has to be a whole new one, not by using some crappy PC hardware.
> ANyhow, taken this path once again these games, and new Amiga hardware
Do you really believe that an Amiga port of Q3 would pop up of nowhere if Amiga went x86 ?
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So if you can get the source of any of those two games, i would be glad to port them. But you won't(unless you won the lottery)
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 8 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by clash bowley on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Oh No! "Medi" Ali!
:D
clash
Flying Mice LLC
Medici / "Ali Baba" : Comment 9 of 9ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mark Olsen):
Sorry, I could have swore that those we developed with persmission by out side sources. Must have been wrong, but there are others.
Also, it looks like Elate is part of AMiga OS so it is going PC whether you like it or now, but, the kool thing is my man, that you will not have to code for x86, you can code for the VP which is not X86 by nature!
Shipping Quake with every Amiga, or since Amiga is actually only a software base, then with every copy of Amiga OS? Something. Perfect plan, and it must come with tons of servers to connect to!!!! Not to mention maybe a few mods to show what all can be done with it.
As for kick ass games, well I guess like linux, it can gain a realistic grasp on the market without much of a games base. We should focus on Severs of every kind, no down time, low CPU use, and of course updating a few things like the Jave Tao is supposed to deliever, Real Audio, or simply somehting better than Real Aduio?
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