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[News] Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperationANN.lu
Posted on 14-Feb-2000 10:58 GMT by Christian Kemp26 comments
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In an announcement dated February 11, 2000, Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce a full and long term strategic partnership designed to benefit both the classic Amiga, and the Amigas of the future. [..] In partnership we can not only ensure a smooth and hopefully seamless transition for the classic community, but finally move forwards to take advantage of, and define the technology of tomorrow. Haage & Partner will work with Amiga Inc. to ensure compatibility with the classic software and to move the Amiga forwards with exciting new products. They will provide the Amiga market with the most effective tools and applications possible. Amiga Incorporated is dedicated to the development, design, and implementation of components, services, and models that support the digital experience of tomorrow. Read the full announcement in English or German.
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 1 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Funny on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Well,H&P not really best software company,but in current situation,
it's good news after all.At least Amiga Inc. peoples do something.
That's ok.
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 2 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Frederik on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
It sounds great to me..
Is this the path we have been looking for ?
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 3 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anthony Long on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
No real surprises here, but it's nice to see nonetheless. I can't say
I could see too many other companies out that could offer the
'Classic' compatibility that was being suggested at a few weeks
ago.
Now all we need is an announcement that the new OS will run on
'Classic' machines with PPC cards in its initial version, to not only
make the transition even smoother, but also to encourage more people
to get the G3/G4 cards (should they appear) :)
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 4 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Alleluia...
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 5 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
So what are these "developer systems" mentioned at the end
of the press release ?
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 6 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht Machiels on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
I sure hope we will still see an Open Source AmigaOS3.x, as H&P won't even talk to COSA (do they always have to ruin it for others?)
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 7 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Well, the only thing i have against H&P is that they are totally incomptetent at translating German to English.
Oh, and it seem that they have problems making installer scripts
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
H&P is the biggest and most important Amiga SW developer/distributor today (the only one left of significance?). This announcement is great. Now we are ensured that important and familiar software from the 'classic' platform will be ported to the new one. As they say, this will make it easier to move on ...
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 9 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Andrew Gregory on 13-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Sounds great to me. Haage&Partner had their hands in many Amiga
developments. Since they had made the new OS3.5, they are the
best to continue its development so that it can run with the
new OS. Many programs use WarpUp, and they have their hands in
that also.
But we really need to have somebody step up and get moving, and
it looks like this could be it....Tao on the new side/H&P on the
classic side....it doesn't look too bad as long as products
are made...
Now, could you imagine what Gateway could have done 2.5 years ago
by just making agreements with H&P, Phase5, Newtek, Soft-Logik,
Nova Design, Digita, QuikPak, Eagle, Micronik to develop the
classic while they moved into the future....? I have a feeling
Gateway don't know what they let go.....if they think Linux
is "way cool", what would a free Amiga OS look like with hot
hardware?
Anyway, no use crying over spilt milk...but go, go Amiga/TAO/H&P and
Meta-box/Escena/Boxer!!!! And all of the rest of the inspirational
Amiga hardware/software makers....let's make something to drool
over...while the rest correct the 63,000 bugs in Windows 2000.
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 10 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
About time :-)
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Posted by sutro on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Andrew Gregory):
Gateway is a small company. It sells well PC compatible systems but that's it.It didn't have the power to fight wintel monopoly and I doubt they ever wanted that. Just join the mainstream and sell a couple of more thousand peecees.Cowards !!
Gateway's acquisition of Amiga was a disgrace to our beloved platform
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 12 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
I just hope during the Development trainings, both members of Tao and Hagge are present, and working hand in hand, rather then waste to many energies focussed on hardware only a small portion of the computer community owns.
Good News though, glad that those of you who can afford the classic hardware, have a chance to finally catch up with today in a revolutionary way!
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 13 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
The only thing that I wish would happen is Ralph Schmidt and H&P would work together for a unified PPC kernel. Yeah, the war has ended, but the cold war started... sigh.
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 14 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Nian on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
With repsect to the news I feel that it lacks any substance
the words are hollow and false, its obviously something to
try and quench the anger and annoyance of Amino's plans.
As for H&P been a great company... Ha! They are the reason
P5 is dead now, they were sent a developer board and produced
a replacement system to the P5 PPC library, spliting the market
and slowing down PPC software development to a near stand still
if it wasn't for H&P we would of had Myst, Quake, Napalm...
All for PPC. And countless ofther applications.
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 15 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Nian):
> if it wasn't for H&P we would of had Myst, Quake, Napalm...
> All for PPC. And countless ofther applications.
In your dreams. Where is our TCP/IP addon for Napalm ?
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 16 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Nian):
Nonsense.
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Brecht Machiels):
Hi!
I have to admit i prefer a new OS version done from H&P to OpenSourcing AmigaOS. If not both can happen at the same time,
then i prefer the official new OS version :) If both can happen, fine with it... but i seriously
doubt it. I don't really see an advantage in OpenSourcing AmigaOS. I actually
think it has a quite high risk in killing off what's left of the Classic...
Anyways, that H&P and Amiga work together is i think VERY good news. And a
"Backward Compatibility" (however looking) is surely a great thing :)
Steffen Haeuser
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (the man in the shadows):
Concerning the comment about a "unified PPC Kernel": Why would Ralph Schmidt
be needed ? People who want to use old ppc.library programs can use Frank
Wille's Emulation Library... it works ... no need for unportable hacky work
from Ralph Schmidt...
Steffen Haeuser
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Nian):
>As for H&P been a great company... Ha! They are the reason
> P5 is dead now, they were sent a developer board and produced
P5 in some sort did harakiri. If would have jumped the WarpUP train
long ago, Amiga market would look much better today.
> a replacement system to the P5 PPC library, spliting the market
> and slowing down PPC software development to a near stand still
> if it wasn't for H&P we would of had Myst, Quake, Napalm...
> All for PPC. And countless ofther applications.
NapalmPPC was discussed between the Napalm Author, me and Sam Jordan.
It was not happening as his code was completely 68k ASM at the end.
If it would have happened it would have been for WarpUP.
Quake... did not happen because of Phase 5... Myst... the same...
Also other programs (mostly games) would have happened, if Phase 5 would
not have acted so crazy, including Quake 2. And several FORMER Amiga programmers
would not be "former" in that case. Ah, and we also would have AmigaOS
PPC in the meanwhile, most likely...
And Mr.Haage tried several times to reach a agreement with Mr.Dietrich. Mr.Dietrich
was never interested. At one time there even was the chance that Amiga would
get the first G4-only computer, before Apple. This was sabotaged by Tower
producers (who did not want a complete system) and Phase 5 (who did not want
AmigaOS anymore, but wanted to change for QNX).
Phase 5 did some good hardware (or at least acceptable), but there always
was a "dark side".
And of course, without H&P we would not have things like Wipeout 2097, and
Heretic II and Shogo would never appear... when P5 was happy with selling
a 3D Board without 3D Drivers, H&P already started strategic talks with
3D-experts (the Friedens) and work was started on a portable 3D Standard,
i still remember the Amiga show in Cologne, where these things started (with
Hans-Joerg and Thomas Frieden and Sam Jordan sitting in the back parts of
the H&P booth and discussing the future standard).
Steffen Haeuser
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 20 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
Now
I hope that WarpUP/AmigaOS 3.5 is ported to IBM POP platform...
I`m hope that a POP board will be able to run AmigaOS 3.5 and
Amiga-ElateOS...
Amiga Inc., and Haage & Partner announce cooperation : Comment 21 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Sinan Gurkan):
There is no way that classic-AmigaOS will be ported to PPC. Forget it! Move on!
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Posted by Jim Farley on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
BAAAAAH!!! AmigaOS can and hopefully will!! Developer platforms for NG may be out this year, but actually new computer is at least 1-2 years off. Actually it will be longer before lots of software appears for the NG so why not move the classic foward?
If you can't wait YOU move on to winblowz2000 :-)
How many critical bugs was that? 63,000?
Regards,
Jim
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Posted by Leif on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Jim Farley):
I think it was 64000.
28000 that Microsoft considered serious!
Havent found all yet (yes Im writing this in winblows2000)
They still havent made it multitask properly...
and it takes weeks to boot :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Wrong... It is happening and it does make sense! It will also benifit the new OS, which will incorporate an advanced port of the current OS (a PPC version should be called 4.0).
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 15-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Hi!
This statement is interesting, where you want to get such knowledge from ? :)
I for myselves still remember quite clearly that i was told at the Cologne Show in 12/99 by
people from H&P "We'd start on PPC OS, if we get the permission by Gateway to do so". I was appearently not the only person being told so, as
this was also cited in different Amiga Mags, including Amiga Format. Still
remember all those POP + PPC OS Rumours ? Ever wondered why H&P never
said anything against the rumour ? :)
I don't know what the change in situation (McEwen/Elate/...) means for the
strategy of H&P of course, but I would not name the possibility of a PPC OS
such unrealistic. At least in December it sounded like a viable option.
It is not sure what H&P are doing NOW, in their announcement they are very
careful about future plans... but let's hope the best :) For sure it is good
that Amiga and H&P are partners ... :)
I am quite confident, that the new AmigaOS will provide SOME sort of backward
compatibility. How this will look, if it is a PPC AmigaOS Layer inside Elate,
or an Emulator, or whatever, who can say this currently ? But i am quite
sure we will get SOME sort of backward compatibility... and i think this
won't be only about 68k executables... at least i hope so...
Steffen Haeuser
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Posted by jim on 16-Feb-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Andrew Gregory):
The whole Gateway thing to me has been just another strange chapter in the
A-saga. It still seems more than coinicidental when last summer, just as
the prototypes were being touted and the Transmeta name kept popping up-
that someone... some thing... pulled the plug.
Maybe details of all that will leak out
or assume relevant meaning after the chips settle.
So many people had been told gateway was really interested--
by the gateway ceo himself if i remember correctly.
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