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[News] Screenshot of Tao ElateANN.lu
Posted on 09-Mar-2000 21:54 GMT by Christian Kemp23 comments
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Jari Ristiranta writes: Here's a screenshot of Tao Elate user interface (with round and gradially transparent windows) in friendly jpeg format.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 16 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Wouldn't it be good if my MUI programs/interface in 16bit depth CGX screen were as fast as a GadTools interface in 2 colours ?
What am I saying is that after playing around for years with "features" and (visual prefs,sysihack,birdie,...) I am back with a minimalistic attitude.
sutro
"hey ... where is my 24bit transfer animation ??"
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 13 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by ElfKing on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Plain English):
::What's wrong with the Windows UI? It's easy to use, and here's a point no one has made.
::There is a distinct lack of tools for editing the UI on Windows (agreed), but that also means that novice users (like
::people I support at work) only have to learn it once and they know it forever no matter where they go.
Bhaaa.. Bhaaa.. Bhaaa.. little sheep.
::Like for example, all the apps from M$ are all of a similar fashion so using new apps is not so daunting. Look at the differences
::between MS Word and MS Excel, the button bars are almost identical.
"One World, One Web, One Program" .... (Microsoft Promotional Ad.)
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" .... (Adolf Hitler)
::Anyway, just a point.
::(Personally I use Windows Maker or KDE on Linux, I'm an NT administrator by day and a drinker by night)
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 14 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (ElfKing):
Good point.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 15 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (sutro):
I don't like Microsoft or what it stands for.
I like Linux and what that stands for. It's just that I can see why Windows is like the way it is. Keeping it simple to use is the key to its success (along with other more violent reasons).
I think this Tao thing could be big, but there has to be a standard in order for it to be adopted by both users and commercial businesses. A handfull of Amiga fanatics is not going to convince anyone, especially when they are all demanding different things.
I'm not saying this to crap on Amiga, I like the Amiga. I got my first Amiga about ten years ago when I was just a nipper and was using it for more than anything else could do. But we live and learn. I come to ANN because I like to keep up on Amiga news.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 10 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Lars Nelson on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a
drawing, and not a screenshot?
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 11 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by MAS on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Plain English):
You should take a look at Apple's new Aqua UI for OS X.
I'm not saying it's perfect or that the TAO/Amiga UI should
look like this, but it is eye catching. I believe that any-
thing that looks good can always be improved upon and made
more practical/efficient, etc. Windows is consistanlty dull.
Are you suggesting that Amigans should emulate M$ in UI design?
The only thing that is likely to win any kind of acceptance
in the mainstream will have to be something much better, in
virtually every respect, than what they can get now. Shooting
for a dull, but consistant Windoze-like interface sounds like
a perscription for stagnation. If anything, I would advocate
coming up with a UI that was even easier to use than all these
M$ products you seem to like so much!
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 12 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Conor Kerr on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lars Nelson):
It most certainly isn't a drawing, it's a genuine screenshot.
Personally I think that it looks boot ugly at the minute as well, but I'm not worried as it has almost nothing to do with the Amiga UI. The purpose of that screenshot was to show the basic functions available within the windowing system.
The Amiga's UI will be whatever you want it to be, you will be able to create your own if you want. (X is really nothing compared to what it will be).
All the best...
Conor
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 9 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Plain English):
:::(Personally I use Windows Maker or KDE on Linux, I'm an NT administrator by day and a drinker by night)
I hope you haven't sent this post at night , have you ? ;-)
:::Like for example, all the apps from M$ are all of a similar fashion
Yes , they all crap.
:::Look at the differences between MS Word and MS Excel, the button bars are almost identical.
Most people still don't their use (apart from the "disk" and "font style" icons) even after
they have been using them for years.Maybe it is just me , I prefer "text only" instead of
"images" in the toolbar of my browser ....
sutro
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 8 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Pierre narcisse on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I don't like the fact that it resembles the MSWindows UI But since this was done quickly in order to show just what can be done with TAO windowing kit I am impress!!! Of course Bill and Fleecy know that an updated Amiga feel and look UI will be what users want which I know they will provide. Lets face it the old workbench ui needs work. So With the Intend TAO windowing kit it looks like we have a winner. Imagine Clicking a window in the way of another window and having it go Translucent or trans parent so that your view is not hinder for both windows. Imagine windows not being square but now round, triagagular, or better yet 3D. WOW!!!
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 3 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by MAS on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Brad Jacobsen):
Hope your right. The UI shown is really ugly (Windoze'9X/2000
has become the new paradigm in ugly UI design, IMHO). Those
ugly windoze-like scroll bar gadgets and windowing gadgets are
not well designed. Even Apple has adopted the Amiga's scroll
bar design (since OS 8.5 I believe). I'd shoot for something
a little more eye catching if I were the one in charge at Amiga
Corp.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 4 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by emission on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Yikes! Ugly!
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 5 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Of course this is not what the final OS will look like. The windowing toolkit in intent allows for customization beyond anyhting we've seen. Heck, windows don't even have to be rectangular. This is just one test design, made by Tao's own Chris Hinsley, who openly admits that "he's no artist". I fully believe that one of Amiga's major jobs in creating the new OS is to add an Amiga-like look and feel to it.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 6 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Exactly! I wish these people would stop whining about our only glimpse of the future so far - if they are that disgusted by it, they should write a piece of software or use the dev kit to change it etc. Personally I don't think it too bad for a quick knock-up.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 7 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
What's wrong with the Windows UI? It's easy to use, and here's a point no one has made.
There is a distinct lack of tools for editing the UI on Windows (agreed), but that also means that novice users (like people I support at work) only have to learn it once and they know it forever no matter where they go. Like for example, all the apps from M$ are all of a similar fashion so using new apps is not so daunting. Look at the differences between MS Word and MS Excel, the button bars are almost identical.
Anyway, just a point.
(Personally I use Windows Maker or KDE on Linux, I'm an NT administrator by day and a drinker by night)
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 1 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Splatt on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
So far.. This OS looks crap...
I don't want some lame Windows-lookalike on my Amiga...
Look at those gadgets and scrollbars...
Even if you can change the appearance of it (through window managers or whatever)
Something that looks like crappy Windows should not be the standard config.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 2 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Jacobsen on 09-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Splatt):
Don't worry. Intent was designed so "Tao's clients can build their own branding and incorporate their own added value."
(Quoted from the Tao press kit).
I'm sure that Bill and Fleecy (Amiga Inc) are going to employ their own "branding" on the Amiga version.
I sincerely doubt that they will keep the Windows-like gadgets.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 18 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by justin on 10-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Plain English):
The only reason why the button bars look the same is because they are
both made by MS. Looks in MS windows can differ more than in AOS.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 19 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by justin on 10-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lars Nelson):
euh, impossible, because it is a screenshot from a video presentation,
which people actually saw, so....
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 20 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by justin on 10-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Plain English):
keeping it simple... so what is simple? drag'n'drop is simple.
keyboard shortcuts are simple. or button bars. Well, most Windows
users I know don't use them. they use file requesters, menus and
stuff. People are just so scared to click a button they have never
clicked on before...
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 17 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Justin on 10-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Dave):
Yeah. When the QNX demo appeared no one complained about it looking
like Windows. What's the difference!
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 23 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 11-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (justin):
You can use of them on Windows right?
Tell me its not easy for new users to learn (I teach them every day, about two weeks for a review of Windows copying files etc. MS Word, MS Excel, IExplorer)
If I had to do this on any other OS (apart from Mac) I would have to teach them on completely different environments for each piece of software, I can't be doing that in a pressure cooker environment. I don't have the time.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 21 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 11-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (MAS):
I agree with you.
You've extended my point of an easy to use GUI.
You said that if there was an even easier GUI to use, that could be adopted as the standard and rid Microsoft of their monopoly. Too right.
Simplicity is the key to future design of any GUI / OE.
Do more for less.
Screenshot of Tao Elate : Comment 22 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 11-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (ElfKing):
"Bhaaa.. Bhaaa.. Bhaaa.. little sheep. "
Great point. Could you possibly give this any content, you remind me of other old fashioned Amigan's who claim shit and won't answer questions in the name of proud ignorance.
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