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Posted on 13-Mar-2000 10:37 GMT by Christian Kemp58 comments
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Carl Mohlin was the first to write in that the new Executive Update is online at amiga.de. He adds You will be able to run the new Amiga OS on your current PPC-card with Warp OS. More details may follow later.
Executive Update : Comment 17 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
One thing, I think Amiga should be careful of is Microsoft's X-Box. I hope MS aren't going exclusive on NVidias NV15 chip, otherwise platforms won't stand a chance (from a gamers perspective), even though it's almost two years away.
In order to outsmart the X-Box, the Amiga must be superior in just more than an OS. Check out the MPEG video of the X-Box's capabilities at www.gamespot.com and you'll see, what I mean.
Executive Update : Comment 27 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
oh yeah, it's finally movin' =)
Executive Update : Comment 26 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
I looked like they were serious the last 4 or 5 times too :(.
I'm still skeptical - especially 5 years after C='s business failure and 4 or so years after their settlement.
Michael Jantzen ^_^
Executive Update : Comment 25 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
This update is THE BUSINESS!!! Bill has really gone back to the Miggys roots to try to capture the essence of it and he has reflected this in Amigas(corp) style and structure. The partnerships are NOT PC High Flyers however, that is the reason I like them....good on ye guys!
People are complaining that it's "waffle", but don't forget, Bill had to take time out to write the "waffle" ;). At least applaud him for that. I'm looking forward to creating games and apps(i'm no programmer) on a wonderful machine that puts the Person into Personal Computer.
Executive Update : Comment 24 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by -=Drake=- on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Games are good, but it how many non-Amigans will buy one *instead of* a
Sony/Sega/whatever? It has to also be a better browser and a better
"AOL access appliance" and a better mp3jukebox, and be highly secure, and and.and
Or else somehow outshine the $400 celery clones that litter the marketplace.
600 square feet. This would be like David the paramecium meets Goliath.
I want my pathfinder system. Tell me, what use could I have for a
"developer" system, if I could get one?
(Sorry, but this seems to be at the caterpillar stage, when we all want to buy
butterflies. Maybe it's a big April fools' joke and they will show up with
a truckload of ........... Amigas.)
cheers, -=Drake=-
Executive Update : Comment 23 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
The X-Box, please. It's nothing but a low-end PC with a high-end graphics board. It will run a special version of Windows 2000 and will be released Q3 2001. Some threat. By that time we will have G5 and nobody in nVidia is crazy enough to just give their chips to Microsoft.
Executive Update : Comment 22 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (esbn):
Nonsense.
If you equip a 1200 or 4000 with a high-end G3 and a high graphics card like the Geforce or TNT2, you can do anything that is done on PC.
Executive Update : Comment 20 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (esbn):
Why does Amiga do a new OS when we already have the wonderfull XXX (take your
pick)?
The answer is easy - choices. There are people that don't like Renderware at
all. There are people that like OpenGL, and others like Direct3D.
Executive Update : Comment 21 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ziggy on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Wow, lots of AMIGANS on the team. I think thats really important for us. As an old E programmer, seeing Wouter there brought me tears of joy! :)
Executive Update : Comment 19 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Jörg Frieden on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Andre):
Who said we are only going to do PC conversions? We are doing this *now*
because that is the only way to get games to the Amiga fast (if you don't
believe me look at how long your usual game project is in development).
Our goal right now is to keep people from leaving the Amiga. That's a thing
we can do *now*, not in two years; there won't be any Amiga people left anymore.
Executive Update : Comment 18 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by traviz on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Hey, I'm beginning to belive! =)
I've been drowning my sorrow with Absolut Vodka ever since G2k bought Amiga,
(I really thought they bought it just to get rid of it once and for all...)
but now I'm beginning to get THAT feeling again... Do you remember? (It was back in the 80's I belive...;)
I can feel it SO bad, it's time, we're back! =)))
I wish all the people in the office the best of luck!
And I wish that all on the field will put faith in this new era and live it to max.
"Go ahead or drop dead, it's now or never." (What movie? ;-)
Executive Update : Comment 16 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (esbn):
Renderware is really nice. I just bought a new ViperII Savage2000 32MB AGP video card and it came with a game that uses Renderware. This game is awesome. I look forward to the new Amiga OS, and the new games. I'm sure there will be alot of ports at first, but the Amiga community has always been able to come up with new and original titles that up-the-ante just a bit. I'm sure that will continue on the new OS.
Executive Update : Comment 15 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Andrew Gregory on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
It does almost sound too good too be true. But this is what I thought Gatemiga
was going to do, i.e. shore up the community...then go with a big new hyper
spec item....it did nothing of the sort...the main difference I see here is that
these promises are being made only about 3 months after Amino took over...
With gatemiga it was about 5-7 months before any real significant announcement
was made (if I am incorrect please correct me, I could be wrong).
Enough of anti-Gateway rants....the cool thing I see is being able to run the
new Amiga on A1200..I hope that would be true for a PPC staffed A3000 also,
or PPC A4000...or even a BOXER(if it ever, please do, appears)....Plus in 3 months, we already have a Dev-BOX.....sounds good....and the staffing additions,
and the TAO training...man,,,it really SOUNDS cool....I hope it is all true!
Executive Update : Comment 5 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Torsten):
I think if you're lucky enough to attend the show in St Louis that you'll be pleased.
Trust Amiga and their partners as they are here to LIVE and HAVE SUCCESS from the Amiga and not to tell lies to a disapointed community.
What is now happening to the Amiga is the best thing since regretted Jay.
Executive Update : Comment 6 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Looks like they're really serious this time. Sounds good to me.
Executive Update : Comment 7 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben Yoris):
Ben, I hope you're right.
Salut, Andrea
Executive Update : Comment 8 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Torsten on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Despite all experiences from the past, I still have hope and the last ex.-update sounds great to me.
I'm also happy that Amiga cooperates with Hyperion, because games are the most important part. Or do you think Windows is so successful because of its features and stability?
Executive Update : Comment 9 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Andre on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Torsten):
As far as I´m concerned, Hyperion will be just converting PC games.
They don´t intent to produce new original Amiga entertainment titles.
However, Amiga Inc.´ll need some killer-games that won´t be available
on any other platform, to attract a lot of gamers.
If there are just PC conversion, why should anybody buy one of the
new Amigas? Excep of the OS, there will be no difference at all.
But many gamers don´t mind whether their computer is running Windows
or Elate....
Hopefully, Epic Marketing can help to develop some innovative Amiga-only
products that "will blow away the competition!" (CD32 trailer)
Executive Update : Comment 10 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Sauro on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Andre):
I hope that with the new Amigas more companies will begin to produce software.......after St. Louise I hope we'll have more partners...I hope...:)
Executive Update : Comment 11 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Andre):
Hyperion is for the moment converting games.
But it doesn't mean that we're going to make this forever.
Creating a game nowadays requires lots of financial and humans ressources.
The point for the moment is to have some great games on the Amiga to settle a market. Then, with the dedication of fans, press covering and new Amiga available, it will be maybe time to build again a real Amiga game development team, creating its own products.
But this will be another story. Yet, the point is to provide the Amiga with games it deserves. And Hyperion, with Heretic II in a few weeks, will contribute to this goal.
Ben Yoris
Hyperion PR Manager
Executive Update : Comment 14 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Matthew on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Why does the fact that the big announcement will be on April 1st make me feel uneasy?
Executive Update : Comment 12 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Andrea):
Is it you Nathan ?
Executive Update : Comment 13 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by esbn on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ben Yoris):
Hi Ben.
If you read this: Why are you and Amiga Inc. making a 3D engine together, when Elate already has the truly wonderfull Renderware?
Renderware would make conversions from Dreamcast, PC and PS2 relatively easy (if the new Amiga has the hardware to match) AND it is also extremely user friendly for making original games!
ALSO: If most new Amiga systems runs on A1200/4000s with PPC cards, it will be impossible to make any games comparable with other next generation machines; Then how on earth is the NG Amiga going to attract gamers in the future?
esbn
Executive Update : Comment 3 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Things are happening, great things.
Spread the word : Amiga is definitely back for the future.
Executive Update : Comment 4 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Torsten on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Yoris):
Where do you see the good things? I see only one strong partner and some unclear promises. Hope we will have fun on April 1st.
Executive Update : Comment 1 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Ulf Bertilsson on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Kick ass !
Look's unreal to me, to good to be true.
I'm just waiting for the usual "Amiga always loose" syndrome :(
Executive Update : Comment 2 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 12-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Actually, Carl wasn't the first to submit this news item. But since I'm at work and Ename's Email-to-SMS service isn't working, I only noticed after already posting this.
Besides, the Executive Update includes many other things worth mentioning in the summary, but that has to wait until tonight.
Executive Update : Comment 35 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by cYB0rG on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
My philosophy since C= crash : w8 & c
Executive Update : Comment 36 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
...which requires Metabox to bring such a graphics card into life!
I'd LOVE to buy my G3 along with a gfx card... Better today than
tommorow!
Executive Update : Comment 37 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Nat Persaud on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Same old thing. I'm going to buy a $500 PC in the mean time and get some work done. When I see an Amiga, I'll buy it.
Executive Update : Comment 34 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Nick on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Hans-Jörg Frieden):
I agree, now that you have most of the Quake2 API made for the Amiga, there are so many more games that can be released, quickly, and allow people to actually use the hardware they own!
Executive Update : Comment 33 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
The buzz is back :-)
==
All I know is that recent events have spurred me on to splash out 1000UKP with
UK distributers refurbishing my Amigas with goodies in anticipation for an
Amiga rennaissance. Thats pretty good for a hardware platform that I mothballed
6 months ago for a highspeed PC/Linux setup. It was a joy to switch the old
beasties on and use PPaint, Photogenics and Hisoft C++! It was also a joy to use
a well designed keyboard for once!
And thats just 2 days of online purchases :-) Im lining up another wodge for
the BoXeR if it materialises and G4 cards when they appear.
I was going to kit my house out with wireless networking based on the PC systems, Im now going to do it with Amiga. Ive already written code to manage
the stock control ( bar code reader on fridge ), online shopping, mini-digicams which I can connect to from work. The only downside is I cant shell out for flat
panel LCDs. I have to have 5 14" monitors on brackets around the house each
using X-servers running on an A1200 motherboard cased into a cupboard shelves connected to the rather spaghetti like ethernet loop! These were due to be ripped out and replaced with the AMD K6-2 powered motherboards from cheap PCs!
Instead of getting really lazy with my PCs Ill get really lazy with my Amigas now. Ill just sell the PCs to pay for it.
Anyway fancy helping to port Elite III when the source code is posted?
All the best, I think Amiga is back - lets see people spending money on their
systems again. I want to see MCIBTYC arguments back!
Dave.
Executive Update : Comment 31 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gallant on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Paul Gallant):
Sorry,
my rant went under the wrong article.
whoops.
Executive Update : Comment 32 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by cybes on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Michael Jantzen):
for a start its been over 5 yrs since commodore had the amiga get the
facts straight please. in that time since commodore did go (1994
april) the amiga was owned by *wait for it* two _pc_ companies who
made what _pc_ products who never delt with _amigas_ ever before who
never relied on the _amiga_ to keep their jobs or for the firm they
work in to keep existing. amiga corp though they founded the firm from
a bunch of amigans their funders were amiga developers and had genuine
amiga interest they are not a pc company and if the amiga dies they
go down and loose it all. so think on that. but really look at the
comparisons too here again. escom owned the amiga for ages and did
nothing significant with the exception of the "walker" which we all
know about but lets face it the walker was a bit of a hack when u
think on it no genuine effort t o relaunch the platform there. and
then we have the gateamiga situation those guys _never_ intended to
make anything of the platform so what do u expect??? look at those
guys they had the amiga for about 3+ yrs or so they took fuckin yrs
before they even announced a new machine tobe built let alone anything
else and when they did speak 95% of their speeches were feel good
wanking with slight traces of facts which told us nothing new and it
took them yrs to get anywhere. now look at amiga corp owned the
machine since jan basically and now only -3- months on they have two
direct technology partners established dealer network reestablished
aac designed a developer box and will launch it at the beginning of
the 4th month after buying the platform and they have moved their
premesis to a better larger location where they r to hold 70 employees
and they have already recruited alot of *quality* amiga hware and
sware developers who have been in it since the start and truly *know*
the amiga and some of amigas key developers too as well as a plenty of
"other worlds" (java pc etc) developers with a big list of credits of
_succesful_ ventures to their names and started training their staff
for a few months now they got there straight into it soon as they
established the technology partners and more all in 3months basically
so pleeeasse dont start with the bullsht about them being no diff to
past owners when they r a completely different ball game when their
ACTIONS and NOT talk is where any one is welcome to judge them
upon.
Executive Update : Comment 30 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gallant on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I bought the siamese software a couple of weeks ago to
join my A1200 and my PC. I still cant get it to work.
I've tried everything that I can think of. I cant find
any faq pages or trouble shooting pages or any sort of
mailing list for help. the simese people have yet to answer
my e-mails. I went back to some older articles in the former
CU Amiga and amiga formats and ever one said that it was a pain
to set up. So why is there no help to be found. anyone?
Executive Update : Comment 29 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Ziggy):
Wouter kicks ass !!!
...and he came snowboarding with Dave and I in Seattle
...and he plays Quake
Gnarly ;-)
Executive Update : Comment 28 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Randy Hughes on 13-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Thank you to the many who have expressed their support and hope for us....
Make no mistake about this.....this team is real, this platform is absolutely real, and our intention is to make this a going concern for all...
Enough of this 'chicken little' mentality... the skies are opening... not falling!
as they say in canada....' game on...drop the puck!'
those who can, will and do.... those who cant, whinge and moan...
Executive Update : Comment 44 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (cybes):
Er, didn't Viscorp come into picture after Escom? Or have I lost my memory? :) Not that those days really would be worth remembering anyway... :)
Executive Update : Comment 45 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Jonny Johansson on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Randy Hughes):
 Hey, this is the first time since Commodore toppled
over, that I don't have to force myself into enthusiasm.
 If nothing else, we now appear to be past the
who-the-#*!@?-is-this-Randy-guy-the-keep-mentioning phase. ;)
Executive Update : Comment 46 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Viscorp came in after Escom filed for bankruptcy - I don't believe they ever actually had any amiga holdings however - there claim to fame is hiring Jason Compton (didn't he just write an article about ADSL for PC-Computing?) and Carl Sassenrath.
Michael Jantzen
Executive Update : Comment 47 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
I'm still waiting for some hardcore promises on software and hardware - not just something that sounds like it will run on top of Amiga DOS or Windows.
Then we'll see if the computer they release feels like an Amiga and works like an Amiga (which most don't). Until then it's all skepticism from here on out.
Michael Jantzen ^_^
Executive Update : Comment 40 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (cybes):
Let me set the facts straight - Commodore did indeed declare bankruptcy - but it wasn't ti'll another year or two that Erving Gould and Medhi Ali settled with their shareholders and sold the company initially to Escom which was a suprise - since CEI (Commodore main distro/dealer) and Commodore UK among others.
Michael Jantzen ^_^
Executive Update : Comment 41 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
sure... provided you have the software
Executive Update : Comment 42 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by cybes on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Michael Jantzen):
the company was sold to escom but not till viscorp almost got it first
and was funded/co-run by viscorp+petro for a while.
Executive Update : Comment 43 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Erm hey all you guys... what about watching forwards instead of
backwards??? We cannot change the past but we can make the future!!!
Yes I know it is impossible to forget how often we have been
dissapointed and stuff... Nobody forces you to believe anything until
you see a product, but PLEASE do me a favour and STOP talking about
ESCOM, VISCORP, GATEWAY and all these freaks... Why not talk about
Bill, Fleecy, Tao, Metabox, H&P, Petro, etc. etc. !!
Thank you :-)
Executive Update : Comment 38 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nat Persaud):
SAME OLD THING??? HARDLY! SINCE WHEN HAS IT BEEN THE SAME OLD THING FOR THEM TO RELEASE A NEW MACHINE??? WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND TO HIRE ALL THESE COOL AMIGA CODERS AND HARDWARE PEOPLE?????
GET A CLUE! YOUVE PROBABLY BEEN BRAINWASHED BY BILL GATES IT SEEMS
Executive Update : Comment 39 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by szutoman on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nat Persaud):
We at EMRL have no problems getting work done on an Amiga. For a taste of what you can do with an Amiga go to Aminet and download the ProStationAudio commercial that was shot using an Airriflex sr 16mm film camera and mastered on an Amiga!!!!!! Somtimes I really wonder if people truly know what it is an Amiga is capable of doing?
Executive Update : Comment 52 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by Scarecrow on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Sounds exciting, but the question still buzzing around in my
mind is this:
If this new "Virtual Processor" type OS will run just as easily
on a "PC" as an Amiga, why should any of us continue to buy
expensive Amiga hardware? I've already been running my A1200
with the Blizzard PPC board, and have been drooling over the
BVision, but for $300, I could build up a whole Intel Box!
C'mon guys, Give me a reason to stick with my trusty ol' 1200.
Executive Update : Comment 50 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by thesame@bigfoot.com on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Specification for new amiga :
cpu: Intel P3 cpu (or athlon)
gfx chip : any current PC gfx boards
sound : any current PC sound card
OS: Amiga OS (elate)
Basicly it's a PC,just without windows (althought you can always use it)
So what do you wait for ? Go and buy this "new amiga" right now in neariest shop !
Fuck off Amiga Inc.
What happiens is very,very bad.They try sell PCs (read: developer machines) to
current amiga software makers !
It can end as every amiga maker will get a PC and IF something happiens with Amiga Inc.,
they will have this fucked PC and probably develop for it too.
I think it's all very bad.
To amiga inc. peoples (I know u read it):
Please,don't sell us PCs.If you can't make NEW hardware (no money or something),
don't do anything at all,or just make any useful software for PCs !
I have nothing against Intel chips or so.I know it's good (well,not so bad as many think),
and u can use it,but at least this NEW AMIGA MUST NOT RUN WINDOWS !!!
duh...think about this all
Executive Update : Comment 51 of 58ANN.lu
Posted by cybes on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Adam Szymczak):
:You do realize that Commodore was a PC maker at the same time it was
: making Amiga computers?
yes i do and it only goes further to proove my point.
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