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Posted on 15-Mar-2000 16:10 GMT by Christian Kemp62 comments
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Ben Vost writes: While you may have rumours about this that have spread from Amiga Format's mailing list afb I can now confirm that, yes, AF is set to close and I enclose the full mail I sent to our list so that you may reproduce it on your news sites. To save you from having to trawl through endless messages on our mailing list's website, the following is what I wrote to our readers. Read more below. It's been a very sad month for me. Since I found out that AF was to close, I've had nothing but sleepless nights and now you've all found out in the worst way possible, when I thought I should be the one breaking the terrible news. Future's policy was to keep silent until the issue had finally gone to press, but now there seems little point, and in a way, I'm glad - there was nothing worse than me having to prevaricate about subscriptions or future plans for Amiga Format.

The closure of Amiga Format means the end of an era for me. For thirteen years (pretty much my whole working life) I've been involved with the Amiga market in some capacity, whether that be in sales, distribution, freelance consultant and writer, or journalist and editor on Amiga Computing or Amiga Format. All this time I've been at the heart of the Amiga market and I've met and got to know some fantastic people, not least of whom are my readers. I've used some fantastic software and seen hardware dreams come and go. I've probably spent in excess of ten grand feeding my obsession and will carry on using the equipment I have at home for a long time to come. As for what I will be doing, you have no cause to fear on my or Richard's behalf: Rich has a job on Linux Format as a staff writer, working with erstwhile Amiga Format editor Nick Veitch. As for me, I hope you'll look favourably on Future's new launch - 3D World - where I'll be deputy editor and the editor of its website. 3D World will be aimed at professional 3D artists and those looking to get into that market, whatever the platform. I will be honest and say that although the only important criterion for inclusion in 3D World is image quality, the speed at which those images need to be rendered, and the quality of the support software, means that I don't think there'll be much, if any, Amiga coverage and that saddens me too.

For those of you who are subscribers, there's no cause for alarm. We aren't a fly-by-night company that will let you down when it comes to dealing with your subscription. All subscribers will get a letter shortly - included with your final subscription issue, that will explain all the options.

As far as any future reincarnation of Amiga Format goes, I am not yet personally convinced that Bill and Fleecy will be able to achieve all they want to, but if they do succeed I'm sure that Future Publishing will be one of the first publishers back into a new thriving Amiga market, and you can bet I'd want to be back. As such, although my new job will probably take me into the world of PCs and workstations, you can be sure I'll keep an eye on what's going on here and I've promised Bill McEwen I would remain part of the AAC in order to be better able to tell him where I think he's going wrong. :)

In the meantime, I don't think that the Amiga market has died, I just know it's got to the stage where Future Publishing can't sustain Amiga Format. At the end of the day, the only reasons for this are an increasing unprofessionalism in the marketplace and a lack of people willing to part with their money. There are plenty of good dealers out there that have their customers interests at heart and it's up to you to make sure that their level of service and support don't go the way of Amiga Format.

Just remember, there's still an issue on the shelves right now that contains all sorts of fantastic info (and Personal Paint 7.1b on the CD) and our next issue on sale, our last, will be well worth buying since it will contain a dissection of the Amiga market as the freelancers and staff on AF see it and a history of AF.

On a personal note, it's not so easy to convey emotion while writing an email. Suffice to say that this page would be wet if it were a letter I was sending to you all.

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Posted by Troels Ersking on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Thats sad to hear...But as long our last Danish magazine (--Amiga Advis--)remains I personally won't miss it.
I used to read Amiga Format since the first issue, but after they started with the cover CD its price raised to about £12.5 here in Denmark, and in my opinion No magazine is worth that much.
But its always sad to hear yet another Amiga company bite the dust.
Troels Ersking
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Posted by Lightning on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
a sad day indeed.
all i can say is thank god for a.n.n. and come.to/ppcrulez so at least i can stay appraised of current amiga news...
i hope, however, that the uk amiga hardware distributors dont wind their operations down now, seeing as they have no easy way of advertising their services to their customers...
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Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Somehow this didn't come as a surprise to me. The magazine had shrunk in the past couple of months "because there weren't enough Amiga news" (yeah, right). The eternal curse of the Amiga strikes again. Not profitable. Small market. Unprofessionalism (I might be bashed for that one).
I had bought their magazine for 4 years and had followed their development through time. But as I gained access to the internet, I found myself reading their magazine much less, because the internet provides news immediately. But I kept buying the magazine.
The news I read in January on the internet, I see again in the March issue, which I could buy in mid-February, that is: The news were 1 1/2 months old. So there never was much news to read. I praised their hardware and software reviews, although, I didn't always agree. There are mailing lists and newsgroups and homepages, which can give you a second opinion anyway. Their programming sections were enlightening, although mostly targeted at beginners, which not many of us are. The CD's were good, but the software on it was almost always outdated, when I bought the magazine. I could download newer versions from Aminet.
It's sad to see them go, but I think I'm not going to miss them much.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Amiga Active stands alone.
This really is heart-rendingly awful. Through all AF has been through. From those lovely thick 1991/92 issues that spawned Amiga Power, Amiga Shopper and the AF Specials - it somehow seems very wrong that it has come to this.
All that effort, all that work, all that... good.
It's great to see that Ben is staying on the AAC and I wish him well in all that he does. Does that mean that the 'next issue' BoXeR review is a touch unlikely then?
I really don't know what else to say other than you can't expect new users to a platform without new hardware. We need a major upper now from Amiga Inc. to counter this. April 1st had better be no fools day for the Amiga.
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Posted by Nils-Ove Fredriksson on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
A sad day, indeed... I have bought and read Amiga Format for many years and I have greatly appreciated its articles. Thanks for a great magazine.
Let's hope for a resurrection sometime in the future.
Nils-Ove Fredriksson, Nyköping, Sweden
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Posted by Ben Vost on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Troels Ersking):
This isn't just a reply to comment one.
I'd like to say thanks to everyone that's read AF over the last eleven years
and also to point out to the person I'm actually replying to here that
subscriptions were always the way to go when it came to buying AF overseas.
While a single issue of AF cost 110dkr, you could have saved 58% on a
subscription, thus paying only about 48dkr per copy. Oh well, too late now.
Ben
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ben Vost):
So sad Ben...
I didn't read lots of AF issues but the ones I got were incredibly professionnal even if compared to Windows self calling "magazines".
I just hope the Amiga community won't suffer too much and will stay together till the new miggy is here.
Many many thanks from another Ben.
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Posted by Lightning on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
yeah, all thanks to ben for being up front with us about all of this - the fact is that amiga format has, over the past few months become "amiga pamphlet"...
i know how you feel ben, i feel like crying too :p
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Posted by Brian Roscoe on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
What a very sad day indeed. I've got every single copy of AF still in
its prime with all the cover disks and CD's... im going to be really sad
to pick up the last ever issue next month. I'd just like to thank Ben and
all of the staff that have contributed to such a great magazine. I stopped
using my Amiga about 18 months ago, and have survived since with one of these
infernal Winblows machines and UAE with a copy of my old hard-drive setup.
I, like so many other Amigans, have been waiting for a new powerful machine
to get released i can spend my cash on, and I only hope that if/when the Amiga
scene gets going again - Future reconsider releasing an "Amiga-Power-Shopper-Format"!
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Posted by Daniel Hutchinson on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I feel really bad, I emailed AF last week moaning about how crap the
mag was getting, now their closed! Oh, well life goes on... think of
all those £5.99s you can save an spend on an amiJOE G3 instead. Lets
face it since AmigActive came on the scene AF have just lost it:
boring layout; boring articles; out-of-date news; floppies on the
front cover still; old school style. Lets be honest the only decent
thing left in AF were the letters pages. Shame it couldn't end in a
more dignified manner, oh well.
I look forward to the birth of AmigaNG Format!
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Posted by Juergen Beck on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Really bad news! Amiga format was one of the best and probably the most well known Amiga magazine in the world and therefore this is really a shock. It looks like Future Publishing takes many good magazines off the market at the moment. Here in Germany they have stopped to produce the "Power Play" magazine this month, which was the oldest gaming magazine available here. Unfortunately cash rules the world and it looks like Future Publishing follows this path now, too...
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Posted by MashMan on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Troels Ersking):
You should've subbed, only £3 a month if you (had) subscribed
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Posted by Unleaded on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
You people are a bunch of morons. Every time another company folds you all say the same thing, "Well, I won't miss them." or "Their quality went right downhill anyhow." How many more companys can be shrugged off like this? There is almost NOTHING left. Even National Amiga barely stocks any product. You are in the same boat as the C=64 users. It's like watching a bunch of fringe christians saying "Well, this is okay. Jesus [the new Amiga] will come along and then all those PC lovers will get theres. Oh, look, our compound has caught fire, well, when Mr. Koresh comes back and proves that he's the messiah, our beloved Amiga will conquer the other guys. Hey, Mr. Jones is here with Kool Aid, let's all drink up, this way big bad Microsoft and the evil Intel architecture won't take us.
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Posted by Robert Simmonds on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
=(
Thanks for everything guys, and good luck for the future.
Robert Simmonds, Editor of Amiga Showcase, and now Ex-AF Reader.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Unleaded):
I believe that a great many comments have stated that they will miss AF and that it's loss is a blow. So with this in mind I find your comment somewhat unbalanced.
What is wrong with people passing on their words of condolence and praise to a once shining light at the forefront of computer entertainment?
And another thing... There doesn't half seem to be a lot of people out there that attack users with their supposed 'superior view from the outside' and how those that openly support the Amiga are somehow misguided. The question is, if you're all so damned superior then what the hell are you all doing hanging around Amiga supporter strongholds chipping at the outside like some spoilt children with nothing better to do? Oh... I believe I've answered my own question.
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Posted by Andre Page on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
Too bad, I miss "Amazing" too!
But I think it's more the Internet making printed magazines obsolete
than a reflection of the Amiga market in general.
I saw in a TV news item that even Playboy Magazine is suffering
from web competition! ;-)
I think we will see even more mags disappear in the near future.
Bye,
/////ANDRE
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Posted by George on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
This is a pretty sad state of affairs. Whilst I agree that Amiga Active really is
the superior Amiga mag, the fact that our market can't sustain two magazines
shows how the Amiga really is on its knees at the moment.
We in Australia have just started seeing Amiga Active on the shelves, and let me
tell all you brits (DON'T LET AMIGA ACTIVE DIE). Since the last Amiga mag
folded in OZ, it has become very difficult to find Amiga dealers/products.
Whilst the net serves us well, you really can't replace print...
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 14-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
It's a god damn shame the longest running Amiga publication goes down the tube like that.
It would not happen on my watch. All the best to Ben, may we see you back soon.
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Posted by Unleaded on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Sam Smith):
:What is wrong with people passing on their words of condolence and praise to a
:once shining light at the forefront of computer entertainment?
There's ABSO-F-ING LUTELY NOTHING wrong with passing on words of condolence and praise. Hold a funeral if you want to! Better yet, write your congressman, member of parliament, or whatever and tell them about how frickin' important it is to you. If they laugh at you because you're a moron, then you get mad. Get real mad.
:And another thing... There doesn't half seem to be a lot of people out there
:that attack users with their supposed 'superior view from the outside' and how
You know why? Because the average Amiga user these days is as smart as a sack of dog vomit. Everyone else in the world looks at you the same way they do at die-hard C=64 users and die-hard Apple II users today. You're STUPID!
:those that openly support the Amiga are somehow misguided. The question is, if
Nobody said misguided. STUPID is more the word I would use.
:you're all so damned superior then what the hell are you all doing hanging
:around Amiga supporter strongholds chipping at the outside like some spoilt
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm here for the sheer amusement from laughing at the obscenely stupid (namely people like you).
:children with nothing better to do? Oh... I believe I've answered my own
:question.
If not, please feel free to accept my answer of laughing at the stupid.
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Posted by Benjamin on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Sad to see the last good Amigamagazine go down. I have folowed it very closely over the last years and know that Ben Vosts heart was with it. To everyone who loves to spread doom'ish moods in these moments: This is not the end of the Amiga. Its been dead for years compared to other systems.
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Posted by Roj on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Benjamin):
The Amiga platform is dead, but dead for the wrong reasons.
The Pee Cee platform is alive also for the wrong reasons.
In reply to comment 19:
So I'm supposed to stop using my 'puter because a semi-major publication shuts down?
That would indeed be as smart as dog vomit. I don't dissociate the power switch with a dead publication.
As an "average" Amiga user, I can still do a hell of a lot more than the "average" Pee Cee user likes to think they can with the latest, greatest, what is it this week, uh, 1GHz machine. How creative can one be when constantly switching motherboards every twelve minutes?
There's still something to be said for stability.
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Hmmm, it's funny Amiga users have thought PC users
were 'STUPID' for years, and the letter above proves
it.
About the Magazine situation:
Magazines are facing too much competition from
the Internet. I haven't bought a
single magazine in at least 3 years and I used to
buy many about Amiga, video games ect. I think that
magazines need to start moving their content onto
the internet to survive.
About Amiga scene:
Amiga is as refreshing and
enjoyable today as it was 6 years ago, in fact I
find that the entire Amiga system has really matured
in the last few years, it really has been improving
constantly. We have seen better games and
applications this year than ever before, real quality
software like Napalm, Tornado3D, Candy Factory,
FantasticDreams and OS3.5 have kept adding value to
this system. There has also been some major leaps in
hardware for Amiga like PPC and more GFX cards.
I have even seen some new users coming
to the system just because of what I have shown them
on my own machine. As far as I am concerned April 1
is the begining of the end of all this down-playing of
Amiga simply because it does not run on the absolute
newest hardware out there. Amiga is still nicer than
Linux, Mac and Windows.
Love and cherish your Amiga, there really is only one
like it, and remember, keep developing, keep using and
the fun keeps going! Lets make this a year for all Amiga
users to remember.
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Posted by Dave Rosseter on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Unleaded):
In reply specifically to #15:
Intelligence has nothing to do with faith
Intelligence has nothing to do with preferences
If people enjoy Their Amigas, C=64s, Apple IIs, TI 99-4As or Scientific Calculators, there will be no Bearing on the IQ of said people whatsoever.
As a matter of fact, The Its/we/They are Stupid argument would make as much sense as saying "I like blue.. All you people who like red are just morons and that is that...." or the "I drive a Ford, so I have a picture of a guy urinating on a Chevrolet logo stuck to my back window!! Har Har Har!!"
It's a computer, Plain and simple. It is not intelligent, stupid, or even remotely self aware. A PeeCee is not sitting on your desk thinking "Stupid Amigas, once they and the idiotic Macs are all dead and gone Then all of their stupid users will be forced to use us.. All Hail Bill Gates!!"
So, If the computer does not think that there is any threat from the so-called "lesser" machines, why would a user get so uptight over it?? What you are witnessing is freedom of choice in action. There is no need to get all in bunches over it, because it won't hurt you.
So do us a favor, and don't make rude and hurtful comments directed at those who do not think as you do, regardless of the topic/item/color/flavor etc, because realistically, there will be no effect brought to you because of those opinions.
I think the Cliche here should be "whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't affect me." So, if somebodies opinions/beliefs etc. do nothing to you, do nothing in return, okay??
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Posted by Dave Rosseter on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
My apologies, I was responding to #19, not #15. My mistake.
-Dave.
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Posted by cybes on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Lightning):
amiga retailers etc in the uk still have a way of advertising and
through a publication which i see growing bigtime now with the demise
of af that being ex cuamiga now amigaactive (with the old cu staff
there) its a glossy publication offering cd on cover etc and comes off
cheaper than af and well is as big as afs last issue (size wise) and
had better content in some aspects and similar in others. it is fuckn
sad but yeah im glad we have amigaactive still
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I would just like to point out that comment #13 of 25 is the well known Mr. Cooksey. I believe that we can all agree how valuable his opinions really are.
Thank you Mr. Jones... (referring to the coolaid masacre)
Oh man... grape again?
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Posted by Paolo "Mod3m" D'Urso on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I'm really sorry for the end of Amiga Format :(
Afterall I could have subscribed, but it was so fun to "catch" Amiga Format in the newsagents.. the best thing it did to me was helping me to pass many hard times at university during these years. (reading it gave me much motivation) :)
Let's hope for a bright future! (hmm.. where I heard this sentence? ;)
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Posted by cybes on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
this comment is based on what kelly and others have said. firstly that
well for a start AF was loosing out to competition, but as some said
it was amiga active, but as kelly quite rightly pointed out (as did
the guy who mentioned playboys troubles) that the internet is (as a
whole) changing the world as we know it or "maturing" the market i f
you want to call it that. the other night tom hanks was saying how he
now prefers email to normal mail, this shows how much the net is
changing our society and the magazine world can but help being
affected by this too. people want information _now_ and ann and
amigaorg and czech amiga news etc etc delivers that and you got sites
like ann providing feedback sections and so forth and you have aminet
providing upto the minute latest software, how could any magazine
possibly compete considering the majority of the world will soon have
net access at hand (to the point of in our mobile fones!). but never
the less despite all this im glad we still have amiga active (which
thankgod is available in newsagencies in australia too!) and i will
probably now subscribe to as well.
secondly though i would like to thank amiga format for making my amiga
world as without it i may not be here today on my miggy or maybe even
using a computer right now. the day i walked into an amiga puter store
near to home and saw that copy of amiga format (issue 13 at that)
laying there and after picking it up and reading it and checking out
the contents of the cover disk my magazine buying days were launched
from there (at the discrace of parents who thought i was "throwing
away money" by buying all these magazines). since then i have bought
almost every-single-issue of amiga format and had a subscription for
ages as well. as well as bought most issues of amiga shopper and alot
of issues of aui and cuamiga etc etc etc (i have so many amiga magz
here now its not funny i have over a huge cupboard full of them!). but
back to my point, af changed my amiga world it opened up my eyes to so
much the amiga could do and it really excited me and blew my mind many
a time when id just sit there reading thru it and from it i learnt so
much as well. to me amiga format has been a huge influence in my amiga
life and i will miss it sorely. but i know too much now to let my love
of the amiga die when it seems for once there is a _real_ new
beginning happening from a company which if nothing else has atleast a
proper insight into how things should be done and have acted on making
it a reality.
but once again thankyou amiga format for everything and thankyou ben
vost and nick and all the crew who made af what it was and for
changing my amiga world. r.i.p. amiga format.
ps. ben vost - dont loose touch of your passion for amigas just due to
your departure for 3d world and try keep bill and crew on track for
making sure the new amiga is one we all as amigans will love.
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Posted by Bolton Peck on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Greetings
I have been buying AF for over five years now, at every newsstand I
can find which carries it. Although the net has more current news, I
always enjoyed AF's views and the hours I spent reading through it
every month. Even my PicassoIV enhanced 21" ViewSonic doesn't have
the resolution of the pages of AF, and it always worked even when the
'net was full it seemed and I couldn't connect at all. Or that dark
time when my Amiga broke for a week and all I had was a WINtel PC with
three times the clock speed and a third the responsive, efficient
productivity of the quickly repaired Amiga. Gawd how I came to hate
Windows! But that's neither here nor there. I will greatly miss AF
and its cover CD's, one of the main reasons I got a CD ROM, Graphics
card, PPC, tons-0-RAM, etc.
AF has done a lot for the Amiga and its users over the years, lets all
hope that this absence is a brief coma and not a permanent death.
Stranger things have happened, although not lately.
Lastly, with regards to Ben's comments about the speed at which 3D
images need to be rendered, I don't think that it will be a problem
for the new Amigas with one, two or more G4 Altivec CPU's being fully
utilized by the new Amiga's OS. I think alot of developers would like
to get away from WINtel's and Mac's foibles, back to the Amiga where
many of the 3D companies came from to begin with. Lets hope that AF
can come back in its '92 era glory and beyond.
Thanks again to all the crew at AF!
Bolton
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Posted by papasmurf.org on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I honestly cannot express how saddened I am by this.
And to think I just subscribed...
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Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I'd also like to thank Ben, Rich and co for all their effort in the last to years with AF. I understand it might not have been always easy to motivate yourself to bringing out a professional quality Amiga mag every month +1 with all the bad things happening in the Amiga market, circulation coming down all the time, and the number of advertisers declining. Still, I think AF was getting better recently, even with less pages. It's really sad to see it go, not least because it was the last Amiga publication you could find at newsstands in most parts of the world. Just another step in the gradual disappearance of Amiga from the eyes of the big public. Oh well, I was subscribed to CU Amiga when they came down, and switched to AF after that. I guess it's now time to try Amigactive. As Jim Collas once said, "you have to go to the bottom of the valley if you want to climb up on the other side" (or something like that). I guess we've reached just about the bottom right now...
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Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Oh, about the Internet killing the magazines, I don't quite agree. At least in the case of Amiga magazines, they've always offered much more in depth info than any websites. Of course for instantanious news service the Web can't be beaten, but it's hard to get proper reviews of products or tutorials or such first hand exclusive info like the stuff AF and Amigactive came home with from the visit at the Tao headquarters online. It seems that everyone and their dog are launching new and "best" Amiga news services on the Net, but since the established sites like ANN, amiga.org and Chech Amiga News are doing their job just fine, maybe those newcomers should try something a bit different, like giving more in depth info on some specific area of Amiga usage or something.
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Posted by ZimZum on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
R.I.P AF :`(~~~
I dont agree totally that Internet is killing off print magazines. I use the internet for around 10 hours per day, and even work in front of it. But you cant take your amiga into the toilet with you and surf the internet on the pan, can you? :) I still read AF and AA, its nice to get away from an amiga monitor for a while (but not too long ;)
And yeah, DONT LET AMIGA ACTIVE DIE!!!! I dont think it will happen, smaller, less money hungry company with probably less overhead costs. But i dont think we can afford to take that chance...
Oh yeah and the AA CDs Rule :)
END advertisement {} ;)
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Posted by Johyn Chandler on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
A real shame, but not a complete surprise given the last two issues have been verging on pamphlet-size.
I've been buying AF since the demise of CU Amiga, and my only real complaint has been AF's lack/refusal to cover the Phoenix Platform Consortium, which is a real shame considering the good work going on. However, I guess it's up to the editor what aspects of the Amiga the magazone should cover.
Anyway, if you haven't started reading AmigaActive now, I strongly urge you to - it just keeps getting better, with excellent coverage of all things Amiga and a superb cover CD-ROM each month. Take a look at: http://www.amigactive.co.uk/
John
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Posted by Darrin Lanchbury on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
I wish Ben and all his staff the very best for the future. I was hoping to read a review of the AmiJoe in Amiga Format - I guess I'll just have to buy one and review it myself :(
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Posted by Amiga4ever on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Unleaded):
DUDE (lamer at no.13) 1. don't even bother to send those lame-*ss messages to us--it'll only make matters
WORSE FOR YOU! AND to think Amiga is dead, IT'S NOT! Losing a great magazine does NOT mean that Amiga
is dead. Really! It's true we are going through some bad times, but when we do have a better product
out there, we will bounce back like a red ball that started this new craze. Amiga is the only computer
who helped and entertained us throughtout these years. Why kill it? Every time I look at a pc at work
makes me want to turn them off. Seriously, I worked with them, they are soooo limited! And their
software--so expensive!! Now, why do I want to continue support for a pricy system and software?
Oh sure, they may have stuff that's sooo cheap because they made too many or are outdated. And look at
those pc's --» they become outdated in just 2 YEARS!!! Just as you get a 500MHz, whoops theres a 900MHz
machine out there! I'm not going to play this game. My accelerator port is wide open, ready to
accelerate with a faster board out there. And the coolest part with my 4000T is paying for the
processor I want (without having an extra processor on the board). :)
2. Terry, you unleaded freak, I thought you are banned from sending messages here.
(Amiga GreatOne pool-209-128-156-54.jon.ipa.net) «-- new ISP everyone
Amiga IS the future freedom and flexibility!!
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Amiga4ever):
> 2. Terry, you unleaded freak, I thought you are banned from sending messages here
Nobody is banned from posting here. I issued several warnings to Terry Cooksey,
and that did the job. I'm not sure if the poster from comment #13 is the same
person than Terry.
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Posted by Shaun Murray on 15-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
I think the internet is having a big impact on certain magazine sectors. Future have all but pulled out of the more adult mountain bike mag market because basically, 25+ year olds don't buy so many magazines any more. They still sell plenty of 'kids' mags. For instance MBUK (kids mag) sells 60,000. Mountain Bike Pro sold 17,000 and wasn't making any money. Competitors aiming at that market are not having a good time whilst internet based mags are doing quite well. eg. http://www.gofar.demon.co.uk or http://www.bikemagic.com.
The Amiga market doesn't really have a 'kids' market anymore - it's not *the* cool games platform it was in 91/92 so that just leaves the 25+ year old market. Just the kind of people who have internet connections and can find the info and programs themselves.
PC mags sell enough copies to keep afloat on the basis that their are more advertisers out there and even if only 1% of PC owners by the mag, they make money.
Shaun
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Posted by Unleaded on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Amiga4ever):
:WORSE FOR YOU! AND to think Amiga is dead, IT'S NOT! Losing a great magazine
:does NOT mean that Amiga
If the Amiga is not dead, then the C=64 is not dead, the Vic 20 is not dead, the Apple II must not be dead, and of course the Atari ST can't be dead.
:is dead. Really! It's true we are going through some bad times, but when we do
These "bad times" have lasted 6 years. How long is 6 years in a computer platforms life?
:out there, we will bounce back like a red ball that started this new craze.
The Amiga was NEVER that popular to begin with. It was fighting with the Atari ST just to stay at #3. It's market share has never been more than 3-5% of all computers sold.
:Amiga is the only computer
:who helped and entertained us throughtout these years. Why kill it? Every time
You can't kill something that's already dead.
:I look at a pc at work
:makes me want to turn them off. Seriously, I worked with them, they are soooo
:limited! And their
Maybe because it's a WORK computer? Why should a work computer be kitted out with the best multimedia hardware? A lot of offices would consider a sound card and speakers to be a luxury for a workstation.
:software--so expensive!! Now, why do I want to continue support for a pricy
Yeah, Amiga software is so cheap. That's why you have to PAY to get uncrippled shareware which accomplishes what part of the OS does on any other platform. That's a real money saver.
:those pc's --» they become outdated in just 2 YEARS!!! Just as you get a
:500MHz, whoops theres a 900MHz
If there had been a parent company for the Amiga in the past 6 years, don't you think the Amigas everyone is using now would be largely obsolete and unsupported? PC's and Macintosh systems are moving at the blazing fast speed of technology. The Amiga is stuck in a timewarp, trying to keep up with costly hacks, poorly written shareware, and obsolete hardware.
:machine out there! I'm not going to play this game. My accelerator port is
:wide open, ready to
:accelerate with a faster board out there. And the coolest part with my 4000T
And which do you suppose is cheaper.. Running out and spending $1000+ on an expensive accelerator (plus RAM), or spending $150 on a decent mainboard, and $200-$300 for a new processor for an existing PC? The Amiga can't even compete price wise in upgrades.
:is paying for the
:processor I want (without having an extra processor on the board). :)
That comment made no sense.
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Posted by Roj on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Unleaded):
: If the Amiga is not dead, then the C=64 is not dead, the Vic 20 is not dead, the Apple II must not be dead, and of course the Atari ST can't be dead.
You apparently know little of which you speak since you seem to want to compare Amigas to C64s, ViC 20s, and the Apple ][. Most Amiga users have their machines far beyond the capability of even the latest and most expanded models of the older machines.
: These "bad times" have lasted 6 years. How long is 6 years in a computer platforms life?
The "bad times" for the Amiga is a far better paradise than the good times in the clone world, IMHO.
: The Amiga was NEVER that popular to begin with. It was fighting with the Atari ST just to stay at #3. It's market share has never been more than 3-5% of all computers sold.
Again, you spout nonsense.
: You can't kill something that's already dead.
Agreed, however giving up all hope for a modern revival is foolhearty at best.
: Maybe because it's a WORK computer? Why should a work computer be kitted out with the best multimedia hardware? A lot of offices would consider a sound card and speakers to be a luxury for a workstation.
Interesting, since the PC folk you're jumping on the bandwagon with on this remark also considered graphics cards and mice to be luxuries not too many years ago. Would you prefer to use a PC with no graphics card or mouse to even an A1000? It's not a matter of the current machines' capacity to handle high-end cards and processors. It's simply that they don't exist. The Amiga powers that be are trying to change that. Now get off their backs and do something productive with that overbloated, what, 500MHz Pee Cee? Oh, wait, that's not good for anything anymore. Gal dang it. I keep forgetting. Some people need 1GHz to be productive nowadays.
...yeesh.
: Yeah, Amiga software is so cheap. That's why you have to PAY to get uncrippled shareware which accomplishes what part of the OS does on any other platform. That's a real money saver.
It's nobody's fault but your own that you are incapable of finding what you need for your machine without it being bundled with tons of other unneccessary, yet CPU-hogging rubbish.
: If there had been a parent company for the Amiga in the past 6 years, don't you think the Amigas everyone is using now would be largely obsolete and unsupported? PC's and Macintosh systems are moving at the blazing fast speed of technology. The Amiga is stuck in a timewarp, trying to keep up with costly hacks, poorly written shareware, and obsolete hardware.
Not nearly as disposably as the Pee Cee world is. The throw-away world isn't for everyone, and is getting out of control if it's not there yet.
: And which do you suppose is cheaper.. Running out and spending $1000+ on an expensive accelerator (plus RAM), or spending $150 on a decent mainboard, and $200-$300 for a new processor for an existing PC? The Amiga can't even compete price wise in upgrades.
As opposed to purchasing a new mobo twice a year at those prices, I've done pretty stinkin' good keeping my machine as up to date as can be expected over the last few years. You've just got to be smart about it, rather than being a lemming. Heck, if I bought a new PC tomorrow, yours would be obsolete by comparison until you, in turn, bought yet a newer one. Until then you'd have nothing to spout off about.
: That comment made no sense.
Actually what doesn't make sense is blabbering endlessly about a machine which others obviously still enjoy using in a forum where the general consensus is in disagreement with many of your remarks.
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Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Unleaded):
Unleaded you have once again proven to the world that there are still
idiots living in it. people such as yourself not only have you failed
to get your facts straight but your niavity narrow minded views and
blindness makes you come up with the kind of crap you have said here.
sure the amiga is suffering greatly now but to say it was never popular
to say that it "struggled" to beat atari when even ataris own managers
have stated the amiga kicked its arse sales wise release wise and so on
just shows how little you know. and the amiga in some sense may have
been "conventially" dead but not much more so than the macintosh market
and they are considered one of the main platforms in the world right now.
infact the macintosh market has had less released applications than
the amiga does that therefor mean the mac is dead? stupidity is rampant
and spreads like a virus at times and you are a prime example of such a
virus.
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Posted by Unleaded on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Roj):
:You apparently know little of which you speak since you seem to want to
:compare Amigas to C64s, ViC 20s, and the Apple ][. Most Amiga users have their
:machines far beyond the capability of even the latest and most expanded models
Since you have trouble grasping the obvious, I'll explain it as simply as possible for you.
The Amiga is an old computer. It's not supported anymore except through third party vendors, despite what you would like to believe.
The same holds true with the Vic 20, C=64, and Apple II. As for most Amiga users, I'd wager the majority of Amiga users are people who have an old A500 set up somewhere, with several hundred disks of pirated games.
:The "bad times" for the Amiga is a far better paradise than the good times in
:the clone world, IMHO.
Suit yourself. I like being able to go into any computer store and buy something that I know will work with my computer. I'm more than happy not having to scrounge mail order houses for hardware/software.
:: The Amiga was NEVER that popular to begin with. It was fighting with the
::Atari ST just to stay at #3. It's market share has never been more than 3-5%
::of all computers sold.
:Again, you spout nonsense.
How is it nonsense? What was the Amiga's market share during it's pinnacle? Why don't you tell me if it's nonsense. Why don't you tell me the only company the Amiga was realistically capable of competing with at the time?
:Agreed, however giving up all hope for a modern revival is foolhearty at best.
Why don't you put your faith in the savior David Koresh' return while you're at it?
:Interesting, since the PC folk you're jumping on the bandwagon with on this
:remark also considered graphics cards and mice to be luxuries not too many
:years ago. Would you prefer to use a PC with no graphics card or mouse to even
How many years ago? I haven't seen a computer sold in 10 years that didn't have a video card. Mice have been a standard peripheral since at least 1992 with computers. If you're going to be silly, then how about I counter with this argument: Would you prefer to use an Amiga 1000 with 256K of RAM today over a Gateway Celeron 466?
:that be are trying to change that. Now get off their backs and do something
:productive with that overbloated, what, 500MHz Pee Cee? Oh, wait, that's not
Are you really this dense? What makes a PC worthless next year? A faster model coming out? If you want to play games, then you're going to have to upgrade once in a while to play the newest and greatest. If you use your computer for work like 3D rendering, accessing the internet, etc... it will perform perfectly adequately. I think the only reason people upgrade their PC's so often is because upgrades are readily available and they're AFFORDABLE. Amiga hardware is neither available or affordable. Price out the cost in upgrading an A1200 to a PPC, adding a larger hard drive, RAM, a graphics card, high density floppy drive, monitor, and a tower conversion kit and try and convince me it's worth it. The technology curve for PC's is so steep that modern PC's can emulate an Amiga faster than the real thing. Do you think this is going to change with microprocessor speed and capability doubling almost every year?
:good for anything anymore. Gal dang it. I keep forgetting. Some people need
:1GHz to be productive nowadays.
If you could get 1Ghz of processing power in your Amiga you'd be peeing your pants with joy. You WISH you could achieve the level of performance that the lowest end PC delivers to consumers today with your Amiga.
:It's nobody's fault but your own that you are incapable of finding what you
:need for your machine without it being bundled with tons of other
:unneccessary, yet CPU-hogging rubbish.
What the hell? Can you really be this stupid? Let me try again in even simpler terms. Amiga users are PAYING FOR BASIC SOFTWARE CAPABILITY THAT'S INCLUDED WITH ALMOST EVERY OTHER MODERN, SUPPORTED COMPUTER PLATFORM IN THE FREE WORLD TODAY. Linux distributions have more functionality and features than Workbench does today for working with multimedia, and it's ***FREE***!
:Not nearly as disposably as the Pee Cee world is. The throw-away world isn't
:for everyone, and is getting out of control if it's not there yet.
The Amiga community wishes it could buy hardware as cheaply and as easily as the PC world. If Amiga users could upgrade their A500's and A1200's as far as PC users can upgrade an old 286 or 386, they'd be happier than pigs in sh*t and gleefully throwing their old hardware in the trashcan.
:As opposed to purchasing a new mobo twice a year at those prices, I've done
Why on earth do you think people need to upgrade their mainboard twice a year?
There are people out there happily truckingalong using 486DX100's, Pentium 90, Pentium 133, etc... systems getting their day to day tasks done. Some not as fast as others, but that's the same as comparing an unexpanded A1200 with an A1200 with an accelerator board and more RAM.
:pretty stinkin' good keeping my machine as up to date as can be expected over
:the last few years. You've just got to be smart about it, rather than being a
How much has it cost you upgrading your Amiga?
:lemming. Heck, if I bought a new PC tomorrow, yours would be obsolete by
:comparison until you, in turn, bought yet a newer one. Until then you'd have
:nothing to spout off about.
Obsolete how? My system has a three year warranty. If a part fails then it will be replaced by the manufacturer with either the same, or newer hardware which will still be compatible with the rest of my system. Modern software I buy in 3 years will still support all the peripherals installed in my computer, and if it does not meet my needs, at least I have the option of upgrading it economically.
:Actually what doesn't make sense is blabbering endlessly about a machine which
:others obviously still enjoy using in a forum where the general consensus is
:in disagreement with many of your remarks.
Feel free to disagree all you like, but try and back up your statements with some fact for a change.
Amiga Format to close down : Comment 43 of 62ANN.lu
Posted by Unleaded on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
:Unleaded you have once again proven to the world that there are still
:idiots living in it.
I'm sorry for making you look like an idiot.
:sure the amiga is suffering greatly now but to say it was never popular
:to say that it "struggled" to beat atari when even ataris own managers
Don't quote me as saying struggled when I did not. What I actually said was:
"The Amiga was NEVER that popular to begin with. It was fighting with the
Atari ST just to stay at #3. It's market share has never been more than 3-5%
of all computers sold."
You prove me wrong on any of this. Try and tell me that Commodore and Atari weren't in competition with each other. Try and tell me that the Amiga has had more than 3-5% of market share of all computers sold in any given year, ever.
:been "conventially" dead but not much more so than the macintosh market
:and they are considered one of the main platforms in the world right now.
If you think the Macintosh is not that far ahead of the Amiga insofar as being a viable platform, then you've been huffing too much gasoline.
:the amiga does that therefor mean the mac is dead? stupidity is rampant
:and spreads like a virus at times and you are a prime example of such a
:virus.
I'm truly sorry you feel that way. Perhaps if you put a little more thought into it you could argue one or two points of what I'm writing instead of having a tantrum. Please keep trying, I'll pray for you.
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Posted by Anything you want on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Unleaded):
.. Amiga hardware is neither available or affordable. Price out the cost in upgrading an A1200 to a PPC, adding a larger hard drive, RAM, a graphics card, high density floppy drive, monitor, and a tower conversion kit and try and convince me it's worth it. The technology curve for PC's is so steep that modern PC's can emulate an Amiga faster than the real thing. Do you think this is going to change with microprocessor speed and capability doubling almost every year?
My dear, diminutive correspondant,
Your misinformation is exceeded only by your atrocious grammar. Can you explain how you'd conclude outrageousness regarding the costs of upgrading an Amiga 1200 when every item you offer in your paltry example, apart from the processor itself, are not Amiga specific items? When asked by the sales clerk which computer you use, are you granted a discount when purchasing for PC rather than Amiga? I do have a minute amount of respect for your method of impugning the arguments of others by attempting to shroud the issue at hand with totally irrelevant examples; an approach which conveniently, yet inadequately masks your own inability to provide pertinent data. However, the mere advantage that PC prices are low is somewhat offset by the frequency which the hardware must be upgraded.
In conclusion, allow me to add that no PC on the market is capable of outperforming an up-to-date Amiga, nor is any PC able to make an adequate representation of the state of current Amiga technology through mere emulation. It is unfortunate that you have such a low concept of the Amiga. You may be better served to more familiarize yourself with the platform. You have not only demonstrated a high level of ignorance, but you've also managed to compare apples with tangerines.
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Posted by Roj on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anything you want):
: In conclusion, allow me to add that no PC on the market is capable of outperforming an up-to-date Amiga, nor is any PC able to make an adequate representation of the state of current Amiga technology through mere emulation. It is unfortunate that you have such a low concept of the Amiga.
Yep, this is the problem with UAE... people think it's reflective of the best Amiga, or worse, that it's better than the real thing when in reality it's nowhere close. :(
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Posted by PEB on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anything you want):
We probably should not be too hard on Mr. Unleaded---his problems are of a
psychological nature, and require delicate treatment.
I assume that this fellow is lacking more than lead---not the result of any
birth defect, but rather the product of repressed mental anguish. My guess is
that he probably is a person who once owned an Amiga for a brief period of time,
was derided by his acquaintances for a while, and, finding himself unable to
cope with this mental trauma, converted to a more main-stream IBM-compatible
computer. This theory might explain his desire to deride other Amiga users who,
instead of dropping the system when the going got a little rough (as he did),
remained faithful to their preferred platform---which he still bears a deeply
suppressed affection for.
So please do try to be a little kinder in your comments countering this young
man's attempts to satisfy his need to transfer his inner pain to others. I am
not suggesting that we abandon the defense of ourselves or our Amigas. However,
we should make every effort to be more understanding of his comments, not
according to his skewed perception of things, but in consideration of his
psychological condition.
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Posted by Martin Baute on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Unleaded):
Be happy your way. Let others be happy, or unhappy,
the way _they_ want. Simple as that.
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Posted by Martin Baute on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (ZimZum):
"But you cant take your amiga into the toilet with you and surf the internet on the pan, can you? :)"
Uh, in fact, I can... ;-) One of the benefits of my A1200PPC breaking down.
I am now "Amiga" by virtue of UAE on a real neato PIII notebook. However,
I bought it just before Jim Collas went. Now, I feel somewhat ashamed that
it had to be a Gateway Solo... :-/
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Posted by Martin Baute on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Unleaded):
I don't really know why I am replying to some flame-war-soldier
who does not even have enough guts to give away his identity, let
alone a valid e-mail - but here it comes.
:How many years ago? I haven't seen a computer sold in 10 years that didn't
:have a video card.
But it took those cards quite some time to catch up with ECS / AGA chips.
:Mice have been a standard peripheral since at least 1992 with computers.
ROTFL
Have a look at computer history. Apple did ship with mice as standard since
when? And you never got Amigas WITHOUT mice, and that means 1985.
:Would you prefer to use an Amiga 1000 with 256K of RAM today over a Gateway
:Celeron 466?
I would prefer my A1200PPC still being functional, so I wouldn't be forced
to work on this PIII notebook. The hardware is great, and so are the games,
granted. But the OS is absolutely bull.
:Are you really this dense? What makes a PC worthless next year? A faster model
:coming out?
No. Microsoft doing everything possible to force users on to the next CPU
generation, by hogging CPU ressources, dongling OS with HW etc. etc.
Open your eyes (TM).
:The technology curve for PC's is so steep that modern PC's can emulate an
:Amiga faster than the real thing.
As everyday user of UAE on a 500 MHz PIII, I strongly disagree. UAE achieves
sufficient speed to work with, but does not compare to a 060/50 MHz, let
alone the PPC board. (Boy, I miss it...)
:Do you think this is going to change with microprocessor speed and capability
:doubling almost every year?
YOu missed the whole point. More about it later.
:If you could get 1Ghz of processing power in your Amiga you'd be peeing your
:pants with joy. You WISH you could achieve the level of performance that the
:lowest end PC delivers to consumers today with your Amiga.
Again, you missed the point.
:What the hell? Can you really be this stupid? Let me try again in even simpler
:terms. Amiga users are PAYING FOR BASIC SOFTWARE CAPABILITY THAT'S INCLUDED
:WITH ALMOST EVERY OTHER MODERN, SUPPORTED COMPUTER PLATFORM IN THE FREE WORLD
:TODAY.
Stop shouting, my hearing is pretty good.
Fact is that:
Windows offers a lot, but is poorly documented, unstable, and the moment you
want to do something extraordinary (like customizing your desktop environment)
it will be 100% trouble.
Linux is stable, and documentation is readily available, but incomprehensible
to the computer novice, and even most advanced users.
:If Amiga users could upgrade their A500's and A1200's as far as PC users can
:upgrade an old 286 or 386, they'd be happier than pigs in sh*t and gleefully
:throwing their old hardware in the trashcan.
Wrong again. Try adding a 240 MHz CPU to a 386 motherboard, combined with a
Permedia-II graphics board. 386 boards don't come with PCI, and Socket 5
CPUs are no longer in production... ;-) Oh, and you have to be lucky in
finding a 386 board still functional after Y2K struck.
:Why on earth do you think people need to upgrade their mainboard twice a year?
Why on earth do you think people need to change their Amiga for a PC?
:There are people out there happily truckingalong using 486DX100's, Pentium 90,
:Pentium 133, etc... systems getting their day to day tasks done.
There are people out there happily trucking along using A2000, A1200, A3000 and
A4000 systems, getting their day to day tasks done.
:Obsolete how? My system has a three year warranty. If a part fails then it
:will be replaced by the manufacturer with either the same, or newer hardware
:which will still be compatible with the rest of my system.
Until Intel forces a new CPU slot, chipset, PCI-X or whatever onto the market,
forcing all other hardware to vanish.
:Feel free to disagree all you like, but try and back up your statements with
:some fact for a change.
I think I did.
Now to the point you missed: The point why we are all still hanging around at
places like ANN. It's not because we think an A1200 would be a great think to
buy if you are a computer novice, or somehow looking for a new system. It is
because we think there should be a way of computing different to what Apple,
Windows, Intel, and Linux offer. Simple. Fun. As advanced as the Amiga HW and
OS was for a time, before it fell behind. Because we think that there is still
a slim chance that Amiga might bring this way of computing back to the people.
And this chance is better than the chance of you using your brain while
ranting in forums like this.
Let us be. Or be honest, tell us your name, and your e-mail. If you fear
being mailbombed or something, think about why you are afraid. Perhaps because
people think you are a (fill in favourite profanity). Maybe they are right?
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Posted by Unleaded on 16-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anything you want):
:Your misinformation is exceeded only by your atrocious grammar. Can you
:explain how you'd conclude outrageousness regarding the costs of upgrading an
:Amiga 1200 when every item you offer in your paltry example, apart from the
:processor itself, are not Amiga specific items? When asked by the sales clerk
The A1200 tower kit is a proprietary addon specifically for the Amiga. As is an Amiga accelerator. Same goes for an Amiga graphics card, and yes, a high density floppy drive for the Amiga is proprietary hardware. The cost of these three items alone is cost prohibitive. Sure you could hack up PC parts and make them work to a degree, but that's NOT something the average Amiga user is going to do.
:rather than Amiga? I do have a minute amount of respect for your method of
:impugning the arguments of others by attempting to shroud the issue at hand
:with totally irrelevant examples; an approach which conveniently, yet
It must be horrible being you, knowing that you're completely wrong and trying to use ad hoc tactics as a last resort. Ad hoc has it's place, it works excellent when augmenting an already sound argument instead of standing on it's own. All you're doing is making yourself look foolish and giving me yet another reason to laugh at you.
:inadequately masks your own inability to provide pertinent data. However, the
:mere advantage that PC prices are low is somewhat offset by the frequency
:which the hardware must be upgraded.
I haven't upgraded my PC hardware in over a year and it can still run any software I want off the shelf. I don't even have to upgrade for playing the newest games. The system I bought was not top of the line to begin with, but it's performed reliably and without fuss. It took a bit of getting used to, I remember how my Amiga would lock up playing games, or sitting there doing nothing out of the ordinary. Most of the time a crash would take the whole system out. If you sit on IRC you can watch the Amiga users say "Damn, computer crashed, I've gotta reboot hold on." I can't remember the last time my PC crashed on me, running Linux OR Windows.
:In conclusion, allow me to add that no PC on the market is capable of
:outperforming an up-to-date Amiga, nor is any PC able to make an adequate
Why don't you describe for us what an up-to-date Amiga is. Use current hardware that actually exists please. No vaporware.
:representation of the state of current Amiga technology through mere
I've used WinUAE and UAE and they're equivalent to an A1200 on a low end Pentium II. Not totally equivalent since they have about 20 times more RAM, video card support, and run in a window, but close enough.
: emulation. It is unfortunate that you have such a low concept of the Amiga.
:You may be better served to more familiarize yourself with the platform. You
Why don't you take your own advice and familiarize yourself with other platforms?
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