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[News] Amiga Forever News from CloantoANN.lu
Posted on 26-Mar-2000 16:46 GMT by Christian Kemp21 comments
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Cloanto are writing: While some of the most enthusiastic (and lucky) emulation users are reporting faster-than-060 Amiga speeds on their new GHz-class PCs, Cloanto just made available a new set of Amiga Forever 3.0 files at http://amigaforever.com. The Amiga Forever home page also includes new links to legal downloads of classic Amiga games and other software. Read more below. Amiga Forever Online Edition is now also available in a convenient cross-platform ZIP archive. All Amiga ROM, Workbench and the preinstalled System and Work configurations are ready to run on any platform for which the UAE or Fellow Amiga emulators are available (e.g. Linux, Mac, DOS, etc.) As our users already know, Amiga Forever includes a legal and official license to all Amiga technology (patents, copyrights, trademarks, etc.) which is implemented in the resulting emulation configuration.

Both the Windows and the cross-platform version of Amiga Forever were brought up-to-date with the latest versions of the bundled third-party software, and are now being released after extensive tests. The WinUAE emulation software has also been updated. The Workbench now opens in an RTG screen mode by default, resulting in a faster system. Also, Martin R. Huttenloher, author of MagicWB, kindly allowed us to use his original color scheme, so that the Amiga Forever Workbench environment, without further changes or add-ons, can now properly display both NewIcons, GlowIcons and MagicWB icons. This is something which not even "Amiga OS 3.5" can do!

The new Amiga Explorer 3.5 software, which can be used to connect an Amiga to one or more Windows systems, is available alone for $19.95, or included in either the Windows or the cross-platform version of Amiga Forever, which cost $29.95. The Amiga Forever Plus Pack, which includes a collection of additional ROM and Workbench files of historical interest, and an interview (MP3 audio) with the late Jay Miner, "Father of the Amiga", is available at the special promotional price of $9.95 with every order of Amiga Forever.

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Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 1 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 25-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
Why didn't Amiga make OS 3.5 a bit more WinUAE compatible?
I tried installing it on WinUAE, and main installation broke every time it was supposed to copy the AUX file, from installation, Windows considered it to be a device, not a file.
Of course Amiga doesn't officially support WinUAE, but I think they could have sold a few more, if they did.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 2 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 25-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
And Apple should try to keep their OS Fusion compatible.
I'll talk to Bill Gates about this whole windoze2000 thing
and making it work better with PCX and PCTask.
If the emulator is good then it should run what you want.
If you want to run OS3.5 on UAE then talk to the UAE coders.
Jaeson K.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 3 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Mar-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Very nice comment!!!
Maybe now we'll stop seeing such stoopid comments... :)
Why should Amiga BOTHER if 3.5 runs on UAE or not???? For those lame UAE users pirate it like hell? Come on...
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 4 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Nian on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
While I admit that with P96 drivers UAE is rather fast, the very idea of
faster than 060 speeds is unrealistic, it may feel fast with P96 but other
than that it would barely be equivalent of an 040.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 5 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nian):
I own an A-1200 040/40mhz
I also have winUAE installed on my parents 300mhz k6-II and it is/feels nowhere as fast as the 1200.
But I have also tried UAE on an Athlon and that was the fastest Amiga experience I ever had...I believe it was a 800 or 850mhz Athlon, felt faster than a 060 Amiga.
Troels
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 6 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Troels Ersking):
060 with graphics card or 060 without graphics card?
I'd rather go back to 030 than I'd use AGA again.
UAE/p96 is probably more useful than a non-graphicscard Amiga (for
serious purposes, for gaming purposes why bother, a real Amiga500/1200
is nearly free compared to a modern PC anyway..).
Maybe I'll have to do a blind test sometime, but imo the Amiga "feel"
is severely lacking even with UAE/p96, it still feels like windows..
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 7 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by cYB0rG on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Mwhahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!!
- UAE on my p3/560 is less faster than the o3o/5o of my brother, LOL ....
and someone says, that on GHz machine it more faster than my o6o(i don't beleive that, or another OS that winblows)... I have some friends wha tried it on athlon 1 Ghz and it's o4o/25 speed !!!! ... okee !!!!!..... don't dream ....
(and emulate AGA slow done the Emulation , argh !!!), i think will keep my o6o for a long time .....
- And the os3.5 works fine under WinUAE... !!!!! , humm do you how amiga os works ?!!!!!!!!!
- That's all ....
PS: UAE is only for a500 emulation, or DIE !
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 8 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (cYB0rG):
Thanks for the enlightening comments. Regarding AGA emulation under WinUAE, I agree it's too slow to be usable.
But I think we all know that it's much easier and faster to work directly with the graphics card on the PC, rather than emulating a complex chipset, like AGA.
Therefore, whenever I use WinUAE, I always use it with Picasso 96. People here seem to tend to think that WinUAE only is good for A500 gameplaying, but I use it whenever I can't sit at home with my A4000.
It's still very far from replacing a real Amiga, but it's much better than nothing, when you don't have an Amiga nearby.
Also one thing to remember is that PC's aren't alike. There are good and bad clones, which may cause varying milage with WinUAE.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 9 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Plain English on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Isn't it something like, a 100 instructions per one Amiga 68k instruction?
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 10 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by AH^ on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
Very nice reply, indeed. :)
I personally don't CARE if it works on loseUAE or not. As long as it works on my
REAL A4K, I'm VERY happy. :)
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 11 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 26-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Plain English):
I would think so. An IBM Aptiva PC with K6-2 300 MHz CPU performs like a 10 MHz 68020. Not very good, but it performs adequately for basic operations.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 12 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
I have a K6-2 450/128 megs etc. While running the desktop the UAE system seems useable, however it isn't nearly as fast as my stock A1200 or stock A3000... While running demos it seems anywhere as 2 10 times slower then an A500 running the same demo...
I also tried it on my friends P3-600 - while it was a little faster it still couldn't play smoothly a select section of 20k-40k demos I have that seem to make UAE crawl.
Michael Jantzen ^_^
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 13 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
UAE just happens to be free :) - I believe its licensed under GPL.
Michael Jantzen ^_^
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 14 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Michael Jantzen):
UAE may be free, but the ROMs, OS and commercial apps are still protected by copyright regardless of the way people bend the laws to suit themselves.
Distributors like Software Hut, et. al. and independent developers like AK have every right to make a legitimate living by supporting the Amiga, but that is being taken away by all the goons who like to think that a piece of software that's ten years old is suddenly no longer protected by copyright law. People who spew this type of hogwash forth know little about actual copyright law. There's no gray area. If you don't own the copyright, you may not copy the material without express permission from the copyright owner. This fact doesn't change because you want to make a backup. If you're not given permission to do so, you don't *have* permission to do so. Like it or not, that's the law. Unfortunately, little can be done to stop it at this point, but that still does not make it right.
If Software Hut goes out of business, I'm gonna be one steamed puppy. They really are just about all we've got left here in the states, and that's because they've been the best from the beginning.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 15 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Plain english on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Michael Jantzen):
This comment isn't just for Michael Jantzen but he has a good point about UAE.
Emulating 68k by itself is getting much easier all the time, so Workbench based programs should work much better than emulating games and demos because they're having to use software as Amiga custom chips and simply 'raw' process them. Not an easy task. (You all already know this, I'm not patronising you, promise)
Amiga games were specifically written for the custom chip set which unforseen by the authors ten+ years ago, want to run this stuff on completely foreign architectures. You can't blame them.
The new horizon we're now working with are things like GL and other 3D stuff (I'm not up on this so please forgive my ignorance) so I would think that emulating the games of today in another ten years time will be much easier, cross-platform and all that kind of thing because they are all made from the same template. Write it for one, it works on all.
I find UAE to be very good for Workbench stuff (especially with P96, this has been mentioned by several people before) but games are not so good. Shame really because that is my main reason for the emulator.
I don't really think much to the utilities on the Amiga anymore, they were good but better ones have come out since for other OS's.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 16 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin Lanchbury on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
The only use I have for UAE is to run it on my K62-300mhz laptop. It's so nice to be able power up my laptop in my office and type a letter using Final Writer, edit some graphics using Personal Paint or unload some stress with a quick game of Lemmings/Settlers/(insert game of your choice here). It's also impressive to see workbench in 16 bit colour on a 1024x768 flat screen display. Hell, it's also great to be able to reorganise my PC directories and files using Directory Opus instead of Windoze Exploiter!
Back home though, I only use my real A1200 as even the double clocked 020 in my A1200 works faster and smoother than the emulated Amiga despite the fact that SysInfo says otherwise - especially when you are trying to emulate the sound perfectly. Roll on the AmiJoe with a graphics card.
UAE is a nice little utility, but it's no substitute for the real thing, and if you don't have the real thing then you have no reason to buy OS 3.5.
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 17 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by clash bowley on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Michael Jantzen):
Reply to Comment 13
I believe What was meant by:
"Why should Amiga BOTHER if 3.5 runs on UAE or not???? For those lame UAE users pirate it like hell? Come on..."
Was that the WinUAE users pirate OS3.5, which is *not* open source.
clash
Flying Mice LLC
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 18 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 27-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Roj):
I agree fully - no-one can site me for pirating UAE roms or software - I've got legit copies myself (OS 3.0 still...).
One thing I've run into trouble with is getting obsolete software. For instance ADPro 2.5 - great image processing program, however its hard to find and ASDG the creator went out of business and was bought out by AVID. I have this program - however when it went bad I posted a message on usenet asking if someone could dms me up (I can't even remember which disk it was) - I was the recepient of more violent flames accusing me of pirating software etc.
Samething happened to me when I was looking for updated copies of Movieshop for the VLab-Motion (which also contained the famed updated vlab.library) - I even said I'd pay someone for the updated original disks - which was written by MacroSystem. MS doesn't support the Amiga at all anymore (even though their Draco is an Amiga of sorts) and wouldn't sell me a copy, and no-one I called had even heard of it. Again I was subject to terribly usenet flamers accusing me of pirating movieshop...
There's a whole bunch of really nice Amiga programs out there that the companies who made them threw out or don't sell anymore - or in most cases went out of business. What do we do with this stuff? I mean tell me where I can get a brand new copy of Dpaint AGA, Movieshop, ASDG's ADPro, or Montage 24 (yes innovision is still around but they deny having any affiliation with the Amiga).
Michael Jantzen ^_^
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 19 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 28-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Michael Jantzen):
I didn't mean to scorn anyone for doing as you say, going to great lengths to legitimately purchase software only to meet a solid dead-end. Personally if the company doesn't care a hoot whether or not I get the software, then what do they care if I get it from someone by copying it. But if someone like Software Hut is trying to sell legit copies, then pirating it makes it that much tougher for them to sell.
Just in my experience, UAE guys, former Amiga owners or otherwise, justify piracy by saying, "But I don't own a real Amiga. How can I be a pirate?" Believe me, that attitude is very wide-spread which is one of my two beefs with UAE.
What I don't get is, if an Amiga is so horrible and outdated, what possible benefit could come from emulating it on a machine that is perceived to be superior?
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 20 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Baute on 28-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
It seems like I am a strange UAE user indeed. ;-) My system, which
hosts three operating systems (Win, AmigaOS, Linux, in descending
frequency of use), doesnīt host a single piece of software that
isnīt legal. I didnīt register with Microsoft, but even my Bootmanager
is registered and all. This includes well over 2000 USD (!) in Amiga
software.
My A1200 (PPC and all) bit the dust last year. I needed a "compatible"
for professional reasons. So I got myself a notebook (PIII-500) and
Amiga Forever. The CD contains _legitimate_ copies of the ROMs
and OS files, from 1.3 up to 3.1. It is licensed to be an "official"
Amiga, not in performance but in the legal point of view.
I use UAE with P96 only, since I donīt play games on UAE. I own them,
bust most of them have been surpassed by a PC sequel. (Pirates -
Cutthroats.) However, I prefer YAM over Outlook, AmFTP over WinFTP,
AmIRC over mIRC, and for certain tasks Wordworth is _much_ better
to handle than Word. GoldED simply cannot be compared.
Without UAE, I wouldnīt be using AmigaOS at all. I would still work
on amiga-news.de, but with Amiga software (and heavy ARexx use), it
just feels that much better.
My former system was an A1200, 060/50, PPC. UAE on a PIII-500, with
a massive 128 MByte RAM, compares with a 040/25 to 040/40 in some
areas, and with a 030/50 in other areas.
And as I said, this is P96 only. Nothing comes close to the real thing
in means of AGA or PPC software. Cinema4D, Reflections, V3, PPaint,
ArtEffect - all those are close to unusable.
My impression: UAE is far from *replacing* the real thing. But
for some people, it has become the only viable option to continue
using AmigaOS.
Thank you, WinUAE coders.
(And if UAE users are pirating, the users are to blame, not the
emulator. There are just as many "real" Amiga users pirating
software.)
Amiga Forever News from Cloanto : Comment 21 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Sledge on 28-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Martin Baute):
Martin:
040 25-40Mhz speed on your PIII 500? How do you manage to do that? I
get a mere feeling of 030 25-50Mhz on my PIII 450Mhz. It sure feels
alright to use different programs on UAE. But when surfing the net
with all those jpegs it shows it's emulation. It could be faster.
But it's kinda ironic. I need 1000Mhz to get 060 50+ Mhz speed.. :-)
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