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[News] AmigaZone's Fleecy IRC transcripts no longer openANN.lu
Posted on 30-Mar-2000 07:36 GMT by Christian Kemp89 comments
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bh posted to comp.sys.amiga.misc how he noticed that AmigaZone's Fleecy IRC transcripts will no longer be open to the public. A note on Amigazone's homepage says: Note!: Due to an agreement with Amiga Inc., future transcripts of chats with Fleecy will be posted ONLY in AmigaZone's own file library, accessible by members only. If you wish to participate in the live chats with Fleecy or read the transcripts, join AmigaZone as a paying member.
AmigaZone's Fleecy IRC transcripts no longer open : Comment 51 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Lee Bosch on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Lon):
For the same reason that Red Hat and other Linux vendors can charge
users for "free" software, a BBS system can charge for the way that it
lays out and organizes the information that it contains. This is the
basis of U.S. copyright laws (similar in other countries). As such,
anyone who posts this copyrighted information in a public place is in
clear violation of copyright law.
If Bill McEwen didn't feel compelled to deny certain groups of people
access to the information based on the senseless things that some have
done with it, we'd all be better off.
Lee Bosch
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Posted by WiZ on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Pay to read msg bases? and if I remember correctly, Amigazone is ran on a Winblows machine?
..12:95 a month ? I do not even pay that for my internet service!
and do not tell me that you cannot run your system on an amiga..
oh well.
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Posted by WiZ on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
I truely believe that we are given a smoke and mirrors show again here with the NEW
owners of Amiga. That is why I do not read exec updates because it is the same talk that has been
spewed out the last 8+ yrs. When I see a NEW NG amiga in the stores and chips
and hardware to support the current and new machines then I will believe it.
Until then I will continue to hope (like I have since CMB bankruptcy) and maybe someone
will quit talking and get producing hardware. and then after software.
I will not not pay for a Msg base for amigans ran on a Winblows machine and support someone that
does not run his system on an amiga so he canb buy more PeeCee hardware and software to
run his Amiga areas. SOrry but that is my thoughts.
Good Day!
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Posted by Anonymous on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
I'm with you Wiz...
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Posted by Christian Langeland on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Crybabies!
Does it matter that you have to pay $12,95 pr month to read/follow chats/have file areas and other stuff about the amiga? If you're still going for the Amiga, you probably have this kind of money.
Does it REALLY matter that he runs the server on a windows computer? It's the information you're after, right? ... not what kind of hardware and software it runs.. If he ran an Amiga with AWS (Amiga Web Server), some of you would yell and complain about not using Apache ...
Stop the whining dammit! I'm so sick and tired of you who want EVERYTHING for free... Things in life isn't free, so DEAL WITH IT!
And, a big thanks to Harv who's still keeping up, even though the world can be a rotten place at times.
--
Christian Langeland
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Posted by Mr C.A.Shaw on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Christian Langeland):
It just seems to me that people are just trying to squeeze the last drop of cash from the Amiga community before the Amiga as we know it dies.
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Posted by Mr C.A.Shaw on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Christian Langeland):
It just seems to me that people are just trying to squeeze the last drop of cash from the Amiga community before the Amiga as we know it dies.
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Posted by John Block on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Bob Washburne):
Probably boxers.
There was an influencial levis ad in the UK where this bloke strips off in a launderette down to his boxers to wash his jeans. You see the reactions of the other customers.
Ironically, the original concept was breifs, but the censors did not like the bulge showing.
Y fronts hit back with a "Looking after Britain's future" poster!
Talking pants and balls on an amiga forum? There's a novelty.
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
I respect Harv for running a business and trying to benefit as much as possible from it.
What I don't like is that Amiga Corp. supports only amigazone with this interview/chat, there are many other (free!) sites that deserves better treatment from Amiga, for example: ANN, Amiga-news.de, AmigaFlame and Amiga.dk amongst others.
I must admit I never would pay for news that should be free and available for ALL AMIGA USERS.
I think there is a diffrence between amigazone and a print magazine, it is considered normal to pay for a print magazine, it is not for a online newssite (or whatever it is?). Thats why many print magazines are having troubles because of the competition from the net, where most things are free (publishers earning on banners etc.)
After looking at AmigaZone.com I still haven't found out what files it contains that can't be found on Aminet? I don't think you get much you can't have for free elsewhere! Just my opinion.
These chats should NOT appear on amigazone anymore, instead they should be on Amiga.com, free for all Amiga users.
Troels Ersking
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Posted by Frank on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (not cooksey):
Well, who's left to advertise in the Amiga market? NOBODY. Wake up!
So this brings us back to Harv's words...
Frank
...face the slayer
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Posted by Jofre Furtado on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Well, I have but ONE thing to say-
Welcome back, all greedy Commodore wannabe's.
Pay for information? Like we even get enough info to care.
I hope Bill McEwen reads this section- This is totally bogus and assinying.
Amiga Zone has not much to do with the company- Hey, didn't Flecy say:
"Don't believe it unless it's posted on Amiga, Inc.'s website."?
How about they try posting something there for a change. Too free for us?
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Posted by Patrick White on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
That's funny ... I don't subscribe to AmigaZone, yet I can still get the transcript of
the Chat. Thanks Harv for posting the transcripts... (or whoever does that, thanks.)
It would be nice to subscribe to AmigaZone, considered it several times, but don't have the
extra $$ right now...
Harv and Fleecy made a deal on the LIVE portion. I have no problem with that. I am getting
tired of people who use computers and expect everything FREE... I blame Bill Gates for some
of his tactics that started this way of thinking. Giving away IE to run Netscape out of business.
Could you imagine what kind of auto industry we would have here in the US if
Japan started giving away free autos, just to dry up the US auto industry?
I have always been leary (sp?) of FREE things. You get what you pay for...
Hope to see many of you all at the Gateway Show. I look for some POSITIVE things
happening.
Patrick
Amiga Society of Kentuckiana
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Posted by Anonymous on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Fleecy is ONLY doing interviews for AmigaZone, Amiga Inc are not doing ANY other chat room interviews, and I see no signs of free ones being organised.
This is the only regular communication method between Amiga Inc and the community being held on a regular, monthly basis.
With that in mind, by what right does anyone have to CHARGE for information which is of VITAL importance and relevance to everyone in the Amiga community, businesses and individuals alike, and RESTRICT this information to those who PAY for it? It's like signing an NDA. The information is restricted to AmigaZone members only; it is NOT public information.
The Internet IS about the free flow of information.... if every website charged $12.95 for access, as Harv proposes is the right of webmasters, then the Internet would die tommorrow. I'm sure then Harv and his cronies will moan that people are selfish and should be prepared to PAY for access to websites.. that it is the god-given right of the webmasters to CHARGE for their services. And if the Internet dies and the free flow of information ceases, well that's the fault of the "greedy" Internet users who refused to pay for accessing websites.
I see benefits to AmigaZone and Amiga Inc in these restrictions, but the Amiga community as a whole suffers from information being restricted and compartmentalized. That is NOT openness to the community; it is openness to those with wallets, and locking everyone else out. This defines Amigans as CONSUMERS ONLY, not as people free to make their own choices and express their Amiganess in whatever terms they wish.
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Posted by Mike on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Mr C.A.Shaw):
*It just seems to me that people are just trying to squeeze the last drop of cash from the Amiga community before the Amiga as we know it dies.
Unquote
Translation:Because the Amiga is an old computer, it's not worth buying anything for, and we should chase off the last few ignorant morons who want to sell products and provide services for.
Why, may I ask, do you still have an Amiga and/or even bother reading ANN?
So I ask, what should Harv do? Start running his site for free or just go out of business and screw the people who like it to please you?
And to all of those people bitching about the fact that Amiga Inc is supporting Amigazone, WTF?? You're probably the same dopes that bitch because previous Amiga companies never lifted a finger to do anything for the Amiga community. Now when Amiga DOES do something, they get raped for that too, because you don't want to pay $12.00 for someone's product. If you don't like it fine, don't buy it. But don't complain because someone won't give it away for free. Get a life you hypocrite cheapos.
Mike
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Posted by James L Boyd on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
Well, of course it's a god-given right that webmasters should be able to charge for access to their sites; I just don't agree with this set-up.
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Posted by Mr C.A.Shaw on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Mike):
Hey com'on dont get rude, I pay less than that for my internet access 20 UK pounds a year and that includes free unmetered calls 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. It just smacks of someone trying to make a fast buck. $12 a month thats about 7 -8 uk pounds JOKE OR WHAT.
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Posted by PaulT on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (WiZ):
WiZ sAiD:
**I truely believe that we are given a smoke and mirrors show again here with the NEW owners of Amiga. That is why I do not read exec updates because it is the same talk that has been spewed out the last 8+ yrs. **
Well, then, you're paying a lot of attention to the magicians, and adding fuel to the fire about a source (AmigaZone chats) that admittedly is NOT on the Amiga.com site and therefore isn't the Word of Amiga. Aren't you?
**When I see a NEW NG amiga in the stores and chips
and hardware to support the current and new machines then I will believe it.
Until then I will continue to hope (like I have since CMB bankruptcy) and maybe someone will quit talking and get producing hardware. and then after software.**
Right on! I didn't say that because I'm a Zone member that I believe everything that spews out of Fleecy's (or someone else's) mouth. I, too, felt betrayed by Gateway, and just disappointed with Escom, and cynical about VisCorp. I surely hope that all of our love and enthusiasm for the community and capability that arrived with Amiga will not fade away. But Amiga, just like all the other platforms, had to succeed commercially first. And same for its software and hardware developers, dealers, and other SERVICE PROVIDERS such as AmigaWorld, Amazing, CUAmiga, in the print world; GEnie, Portal, and now AmigaZone in the online SERVICE world. The Zone is NOT a web site, though web sites all over the world exist that are commercial, that cost fees for special services. The Zone is a service and a place for a community to gather that is exactly like a BBS except improved. I paid good $$ for more than one BBS because I liked what was there, and I realized that to get quality that it couldn't be just a hobby for the operator. Sure, you could get most of the content of the Zone elsewhere, and the power of Aminet has grown it into a resource that someone else (amazingly enough) is paying for. I stay just for things like this chat "product".
**I will not not pay for a Msg base for amigans ran on a Winblows machine and support someone that does not run his system on an amiga so he canb buy more PeeCee hardware and software to run his Amiga areas. SOrry but that is my thoughts. **
What you pay for is exactly your business. My thoughts are that your arguments aren't strong. Harv found an existing service provider where he could HOST the AmigaZone. Was GEnie lame or Portal a luser because it didn't run on an Amiga? No, you couldn't do it on the Amiga then. Is (was :{ RIP Format) Amiga Format a lamer magazine because it wasn't laid out on Amigas? No, they did it longest on the platform that worked best given the limitations, Mac. (Though the ".info" magazine was done on Amigas for a long time and did have a professional look.) Harv doesn't live within 300 miles of the physical location that the Zone's data inhabits. He DOES dial in there on one of several Amigas for the most part. It doesn't matter a whit what software/ hardware runs there, he's done more (even choosing to earn his living at it) to support the Amiga and its community than 99% of all of us.
PaulT TOGA (the other group of Amigoids) www.calweb.com/~rabel1 , a living and active Amiga user group
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Posted by Casey R Williams on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
If people want something bad enough to complain that it's not free then it must
be worth charging some price for...
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Posted by John Waller on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Good grief......
This whole thing is going from silliness to stupidity. For 4 or 5 years everyone moans that whoever owns the Amiga at the time is not
providing support to the users, developers, dealers,etc. They just go their own way. Fleecy decides to support AmigaZone, and it is as if he had
decided to tear down the foundations of democracy.
People are deciding whether they will buy a computer because of this?? How dumb can you get? Most people buy computers because of what the computer does,
not whether it comes with a chocolate floppy, or the company smells nice, or whatever.
We even have people pontificating about freedom of information. Next thing we know, Amiga Inc will be accused of suppressing freedom of speech because
they charge for developer kits.
BTW, in all of this "much ado about nothing", where was it said that any information in the chats could not revealed outside of the Amigazone??
Harv did not say it, Fleecy did not say it, Bill did not say it. So, who said it?? No one said that the Amigazone members have to sign an NDA.
They can reveal as much or as little as they want. It is the AmigaZone *transcripts* that are not posted publicly. What is wrong with giving the
paying members of the AmigaZone a few perks for their dollars?? Do you really believe that if Fleecy reveals something significant that the members
will keep their lips sealed as if they had signed a blood oath.
I do realize that most you that are complaining, if your boss offers you a raise in pay, you politely decline on the grounds that you get too much pleasure
out of working for him as it is.
So, everyone, how about growing up, and acting like adults? How about discussing more important issues, like how many cpu's a base Amiga should have.
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Posted by Adam Szymczak on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
Begin Quote
With that in mind, by what right does anyone have to CHARGE for information which is of VITAL
importance and relevance to everyone in the Amiga community, businesses and individuals alike,
and RESTRICT this information to those who PAY for it? It's like signing an NDA. The information
is restricted to AmigaZone members only; it is NOT public information.
End Quote
Has any of the information in the chats been of any importance and relevance to the Amiga community? And you are correct in assuming that the chats are not public information. Is that a first? No. Plenty of information is not public.
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Posted by ElfKing on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Harv):
:::: If you don't like this explanation, I'm sorry. You only get the
:::: truth from me, and that's the truth.
Kirk: Norman, everything Harry Mudd tells you is a lie.
Harry: Norman, I'm telling the truth.
Sorry, counldn't resist.
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Posted by Mike on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Mr C.A.Shaw):
You wrote:
com'on dont get rude, I pay less than that for my internet access 20 UK pounds a year and that includes free unmetered calls 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. It just smacks of someone trying to make a fast buck. $12 a month thats about 7 -8 uk pounds JOKE OR WHAT.
End
Your internet access doesn't come with access to unique Amiga archives, chat, and information. If you don't think those services are worth what he's charging, fine, don't buy it. I myself am not an Amigazone member. BUT, to continually post here and complain about it is ridiculous!!! It's stupid, and you demean yourself by doing it. You really look like a moron sitting there saying 'his service is over priced, he must be trying to make a fast buck!'. Unless you run a similar business or are an economist (I happen to be an economist), I'd have to guess you don't know jack about what it costs to operate an online computer service.
I happen to think BMW's are over priced cars, but I don't sit here and complain about it or even start spewing it in public every time I hear the name mentioned. It's rude, and in bad taste, period.
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Posted by Mike on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
Q
With that in mind, by what right does anyone have to CHARGE for information which is of VITAL importance and relevance to everyone in the Amiga community, businesses and individuals alike, and RESTRICT this information to those who PAY for it? It's like signing an NDA. The information is restricted to AmigaZone members only; it is NOT public information.
UQ
VITAL? Did you bother reading any of the older chat transcripts before writing this? :) Look dude, it's a computer. I like the Amiga, and I like the Amiga community, except for the high number of idiots in it. BUT IT IS NOT VITAL! Unless you are a developer working with Amiga Inc (in which case I'm sure you should cease immediately if you think Fleecy is telling people stuff in these chats he won't tell you :), it is not VITAL. Your life and livelihood are not going to suffer. The sky won't fall, your children won't suffer. Get over it!!!
Q
The Internet IS about the free flow of information.... if every website charged $12.95 for access, as Harv proposes is the right of webmasters, then the Internet would die tommorrow. I'm sure then Harv and his cronies will moan that people are selfish and should be prepared to PAY for access to websites.. that it is the god-given right of the webmasters to CHARGE for their services. And if the Internet dies and the free flow of information ceases, well that's the fault of the "greedy" Internet users who refused to pay for accessing websites.
UQ
Do you have any idea of how much it costs to host web sites (and Amigazone isn't just a 'web site')? Your quote makes it apparent you don't. Web sites are generally free because funds to run them are procured from other sources. Advertising, selling the information of people who come onto the site, sales of products related to the site, etc. etc. If those things don't exist (and I doubt they do in Amigazone's case), your choices are pay or watch it vanish. I've got some news for you too. LOTS of internet sites out there ARE loosing money hand over fist, and ARE going to vanish in the next several years. If they don't vanish, they certainly won't exist in their current form, or with their current revenue stream.
Q
I see benefits to AmigaZone and Amiga Inc in these restrictions, but the Amiga community as a whole suffers from information being restricted and compartmentalized. That is NOT openness to the community; it is openness to those with wallets, and locking everyone else out. This defines Amigans as CONSUMERS ONLY, not as people free to make their own choices and express their Amiganess in whatever terms they wish.
UQ
Was that your original quote, or did you channel Karl Marx? :)
So I take it you were happy to see AmigaFormat and CUAmiga bite the dust since they also required you to pay for Amiga information? Or did you just go to the library and photocopy it every month, you cheapo?
Mike
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Posted by WiZ on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Christian Langeland):
Yes there is a problem paying $12.95 for information that the WHOLE amiga community should know,
not just some ppl that want to pay for it, it should be available to EVERYONE!
I should nothave to pay $12.95 to know what is going on with the Amiga computer.
And yes there is a problem running a winblows machine, it is not an amiga!
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Posted by WiZ on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Mr C.A.Shaw):
exactly, take more money from the amiga community to pay for Fleecy Moss's comments
on how long they will be talking and talking and more talking about doing something
that was already talked about for the last 8+ yrs.
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Posted by WiZ on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Jofre Furtado):
exactly, I am not paying for anything that should be made free for the amiga community.
and if we are dumb enough to pay for it? then go for it. If it isn't on Amiga inc site
then it is not official
and pay for aminet files? jeez.
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Posted by Mike on 30-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (WiZ):
Why shouldn't you have to pay for information? People pay for tv, newpapers and magazines.
Give me a legitimate reason why information should be free, or shut the hell up :)
And oh yeah, why don't you set up an ISP on an Amiga and get back to us on how you don't use an Amiga. You aren't using an Amiga now, since you are writing through an ISP, and I can guarantee your ISP doesn't use Amigas as servers.
Otherwise, You're a joke, and your idiot opinions make Amiga users look like idiot zealots with not brain.
Mike
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Posted by Mike on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (WiZ):
Sorry, in my earlier post, a said not brain, I meant 'no' brain :)
Q
exactly, I am not paying for anything that should be made free for the amiga community.
UQ
Why should this info be made free to the community. AFAIK, it's nothing big anyway. Just because you own an Amiga doesn't mean Amiga Inc or anyone else has to give you everything for free in perpetuity.
Get off your high horse and go get a life.
Mike
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Posted by WiZ on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Mike):
Just because I said it should be made free to the amiga community does now mean
I am brainless. Besides Mikey, since you replied you have "no" brain also since
you believe it is ok to pay for information that should be made public. Your comments
about paying for TV etc is a little exaggerant aren't we?
Meaning, I am merely stating that it should have been posted on Amiga,Inc and for the
whole community to read, other then a few selected few that want to pay for information.
Besides, shouldn't we stick together and try to help make our computer survive?
To pay for a msg or a forum transcript is a pure rip off and not fair.
ANyways..the point is, it should have been provided for free since we all are interested in the survival of our computer
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Posted by Mr C.A.Shaw on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Mike):
To be honest I have been with Amiga since the start and I am now sick and tired of hearing and reading Bill this Bill that Fleccy this Fleecy that, when will they say something we all want to hear and now someone comes along and says I will charge you to listen to Fleecy, listen to Fleecy say what exactly, if its to here him say the generation Amiga's will be on sale from xx/xx/xx then that will be in the press and posted on one of the many FREE Amiga Websites. BYE PS: The Aminet's free you know.
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Posted by Janne Sirén on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
I find it quite surprising that someone would have the nerve to claim Harv Laser is trying to make a quick buck out of the Amiga by having ran his online service for the past 15 years and still continuing to do so. Hey c'mon, 15 years should count for something, shouldn't it?
And the logs, remember that Hard did indeed provide them for free until Amiga Inc. said they were causing too much unwanted publicity. Harv arranged a deal that allowed him to continue to serve his customers better, and I for one find that a good thing. In my opinion he is doing his JOB well (at least for the part I am familiar with, I am not an Amiga Zone member).
Whether these and other publicity choices made by Amiga Inc. have been good one or not, is certainly open to debate, but demanding every bit of information for free is simply ridicilous. E.g. magazines do interviews with famous people all the time - you don't expect them to give those away for free, now do you?
And yes, there are a lot of free services in the Amiga community, ran mostly by hobbyists, which is nice and a lot of people have been doing a great job for free (I have been one of them), but the outcome of that shouldn't be expecting to get everything else for free as well.
Those people who run most of these free services, have some other job to feed them and they are doing the rest on their free time. Amiga Zone is and has been Harv's job for over a decade now, and I for one see little wrong in him trying to provide the best possible service to his paying customers.
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Posted by Colin Wilson on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
While I think on, and since I seem to have got an awful lot of abuse from this thread from Harv / Mikey, over the charges for Amigazone...
I ran a BBS in the UK for over 7 years, completely free of charge - it officially got switched off 2 weeks ago, after being online 24/7 for all but about two weeks of the entire 7 years. I had over 5000 files online for anyone to help themselves.
On top of that, I also set up at least 35 new BBS`s directly, with me providing assistance (free of charge of course), but there were a lot more who set up without any assistance from me, as i`d made a ready to run BBS archive that just needed unpacking, assigning, and running.
If Harv would be so kind as telling us all how many paying members he`s got, we can get an idea of just how much money he`s made out of the Amiga community over the years for providing a similar service....
Work it out :
100 subscribers$1299 per month, or $15588 per year
500 subscribers$6495 per month, or $77940 per year !!!!!
No wonder he likes to defend his "business" (what most of us would call a HOBBY) when he`s raking money in at that sort of rate...
Sorry Harv, I know you provide a "service", but so did a lot of us, without the credit or funding that you get. I`m not denying that you have provided this service for a long time, but you are well paid for it.
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Posted by Vernaeve philippe on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
So,
These transcript is a kind of press, released by a company.
I never eard that we must pay for that. That's a strange
way of marketing a name (amigainc AND amigazone). I will
Never be a member of such thing: "Just Give Me your monney".
All is not to sales.
Vernaeve philippe
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Posted by Mark F Rippetoe on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
Well Mr Wilson, It is a business not a FREE SERVICE like your BBS was.A business try's
to make money.
IT IS NOT HIS HOBBY even if one thinks it should be , it is how he pays his bills.
Not sure what percentage that calweb takes for hosting the Amigazone but since calweb
is a business they don't make money by giving away FREE access.
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Posted by Steve Bara on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Mark F Rippetoe):
This is absolutely correct, Harv went to a lot of effort to set up this chat, and as such, the results are his to do with as he sees fit. Since he does this as a job, it's perfectly reasonable that he'd want to restrict the results of his effort to paying customers. On top of that, Bill McEwen is the one who changed the terms of the situation, Harv was merely making a compromise, and one that was perfectly within his rights to make. If you don't like it, set up your own chat with Fleecy or whoever you think is worth talking to about the amiga, and distribute the results however you want. I'm really tired of watching commercial efforts around the amiga go into the dustbin because people think everything amiga related should be free of charge. Few people are going to do this work if you're not willing to pay for it, hobbyists excluded. If you want professional journalists like Harv to work on these things, you should expect to have to pay for it. If you want a free ride on somebody else's effort, you have no right to complain when they change the terms.
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Posted by Firebird^ on 31-Mar-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Mr C.A.Shaw):
Good show old chap!
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Posted by szutoman on 01-Apr-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Jofre Furtado):
Mmmmm Interesting thought.../-:
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Posted by Concerned on 02-Apr-2000 22:00 GMT
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ALIVE MEDIASOFT :
Why I hear you ask, well did you know that they do not pay their developers, did you know they will not change bugged software, did you know they send out incorrect software then take weeks to change it if you are lucky, I could go on and on but I thought the Amiga community should be aware of this dealer and boycott them. I will no longer buy or deal with them after my dealings with them, I will also not deal with any other company that has dealing with them. From a concerned Amiga Fan.
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Posted by Concerned on 02-Apr-2000 22:00 GMT
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ALIVE MEDIASOFT :
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