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[News] StarGate now FreewareANN.lu
Posted on 03-May-2000 06:41 GMT by Christian Kemp10 comments
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Danny Y. Wong writes: With much considerations I have decided to release StarGate as freeware to the Amiga community. The latest version v2.5 contains bug fixes and minor features. Additional features have not yet been implemented and may not be in the future. StarGate is premier email and news client for the Amiga. It requires MUI v3.6 and greater. Please go to http://www.toysoft-dev.comfor the download. You will be required to download the v2.1 archive first.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 3 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Stephen Lebed on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Adam Szymczak):
I agree. Giving away a program you have slaved over may be a sign that you are moving on, but having people ask for the sourse code is more insulting. Maybe Danny wouldn't need to give it away if people would have bought his program and supported him. Everyone wants everything for free, and they never appreciate all the hard work someone has placed into it. This attitude is what's going to kill to Amiga in the end, because no one will feel they have to pay for anything if they can hold out long enough for it.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 2 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Szymczak on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (The Great One):
Where did Danny state he is not developing Stargate anymore? He simply stated that it is being released as freeware and future improvements may or may not happen. One is never guaranteed that a product will be improved/updated in the future - you are paying for the current product.
Personally, the "why don't you release the source code then" plea is becoming tiring.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 1 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by The Great One on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
If you are not developing it anymore then why not release the source code.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 5 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Stephen Lebed on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Michael Jantzen):
You make a good point. The problem I see is, how is the Amiga going to become more than it currently is if developers can't make any money on their work. Your example with the car doesn't work for me, simply because we buy software for our computers all the time, without knowing how they work internally. I don't have to know the inner working of the internal combustion engine, in order to drive a car. Likewise, I don't have to know the underlying structure of a programs sourcecode, in order to use that software. Sure their are many open source programs out there that are used everyday, many are very good. I appreciate everything those poeple did to place a program out there for all to see. But it's not the answer for people who wrote it to make a living. Open source programming is a hobby for people. Closed source are peoples lives.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 6 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by The Great One on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
What I mean is if he does not want to release the source then why not hand over development to someone else. The fact is on the Classic Amiga market you will not profit from small products like email programs because there are free ones about.
The only companys actively supporting commercial productivity development are h&p and maybe softlogic. H&P probably are not making much profit although AOS3.5 probably helped.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 7 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Paolo "Mod3m" D'Urso on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stephen Lebed):
Yep, I totally agree with you.. but afterall, who wrote the first msg? "The Great One", and he didn't signed his email also..
Look, all the people writing irritating messages about Amiga products never write their name or email.. better don't care about them.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 4 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Jantzen on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stephen Lebed):
No its not. One of the most used mail readers on the net (and consequently supports everything stargate does) is pine. And you know what - source code is availble...
Often times developers release source code to get user input on various bugs - or get help developing it. 100% of all e-mail for instance is sent (at one point or another...) via sendmail - the most robust, stable and widely used mail server - and again you know what? Its opensource.
You're just not used to having source availble (which for the Amiga will probably not happen in our lifetime...) - which is understandable.
A good analogy that ceo Bob Young of redhat used today - Would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?" and we all answer an emphatic "No." So ask the follow-up question, "What do you know about modern internal-combustion engines?" and the answer for most of us is, "Not much."
However I do know something about cars - and Chrysler doesn't seem to find it insulting when I call their parts shop for a car manual (basically detailed instructions on every single component on the Plymouth Gran Fury - I could probably re-manufacture the car with this...). If you don't like open-source software - would you use a closed source car? Probably not...
Michael Jantzen ^_^
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 8 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Ross on 04-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Paolo "Mod3m" D'Urso):
Not giving your email address has nothing to do with integrety, if you want to be anonymous let be, I gave my email address on the usenet and spam messages started coming.
Anyway his argument is good, there are plenty of open source software which may be better, why not continue development or "pass the torch" and let someone else get on with it, there are a lot of people who would not mind to continue the development.
Hows this for an idea, if you like the idea of "pass the torch" why not create a new licence like the GPL but one which states if the original developer wants that the software must be handed over to another development if the current developer does not want to develope or open source it.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 9 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Jim on 06-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Stephen Lebed):
The reason Amiga users didn't support Stargate has more to do with YAM than
it does with any other reason you can conjur.
I actually bought Stargate, and I never use it because YAM is a better e-mail
program. To this date I cannot get Stargate to view attachments, its editor is
second rate compared to YAM's, and it cost money when YAM is free. In the face
of these simple facts, Stargate never had a chance.
StarGate now Freeware : Comment 10 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Danny Y. Wong on 06-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Jim):
If you look closely both Yam and StarGate uses the same MUI texteditor. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they are different. Secondly, viewing attachments in SG is probably the simplest function. Not sure why you can't get it to work. SG still have features that yam will never have.
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