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[News] ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&PANN.lu
Posted on 09-May-2000 06:46 GMT by Christian Kemp18 comments
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"sutro" quotes this page on Eyetech's server that says: Elate is currently available on a number of processors - including x86 and PowerPC - and is also available as a 'hosted' OS (at about 50% efficiency) under Linux - and this is the environment to be used for the Developer System.. The Blizzard PPC/xVision version still needs some fine tuning - currently being undertaken by Haage & Partner - but is expected to be released in a couple of months. On its release this (PPC/xVision) software will form the main upgrade path for the current 'classic' Amiga user, whilst maintaining compatibility with 680x0-based software.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Colin Wilson on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
If it`s any help in comparing relative processor / FPU speeds, my AMD K6-2 350Mhz O/C`d to 366Mhz only just manages 618kkeys in rc5, yet a celeron 333Mhz easily outstrips the AMD and does *almost* 1000kkeys
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Colin Wilson):
BTW, RC5 doesn't use the FPU. It is integer only.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
If you RC5 benchmark, it might. My 603@200mhz does 666KKeys/sec, a 233 mhz K6 does 400KKeys/sec. But for most operations, the 500 mhz K6 is faster than the 233mhz 604. No doubt that the PowerPC delivers more bang per hz, but not that much more.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Martin Baute):
It's OK, I don't smoke anyway. :-)
Hmmm, I don't know how much it would matter to have both PC and Amiga developer hardware on the game field. Of course it would mean Amiga Inc. would have more configurations of developer hardware to keep an eye on.
Besides the classic system (how dooming and terrible this may sound to the hardcore Amigans) wouldn't matter much anymore, as eventhough the developer box has mediocre specs for PC class hardware, it's currently much better than even the most souped up A4000 (of course disregarding the less intelligent architecture design of the PC. :-)
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
A 233 Mhz 604e (Cyberstorm PPC) comes very close to an AMD 500 in performance, especially FPU performance.
What spoils the fun on current Amigas is the terrible Permedia 2.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
Cool - wish I had a PPC-Card...
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Leif):
and I that I had a BVision....
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Weirdo on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Trizt):
..and I that we had a elate running first with that hardware ;)
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Kevin on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
My problem is, I'd be interested in getting *that* system (the AMD one, just to get a jump on things) but it doesn't say how to BUY it anywhere! Argh!
Kevin Orme
amigau@oz.net
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Weirdo):
Yeah, I'd sure like to get my hands on that devbox. I have the money for it, so hand it over, will ya'? :-)
My A4000 is a bit tired and the motherboard is acting crazy now and then, so I'm probably not going PPC anyway.
I read some place (can't remember where) that Amiga was planning on four levels of support, where the lowest level permitted you to buy the machine, and the others allowed you to get one or more machines for free and technical support through mailing lists and phone in various degrees if you paid a certain amount of money per year. (the more you paid, the more support you got). It also depended on how many developers you were. There would be no distinction between PC and Amiga developers, i.e. no special offers for current Amiga developers.
Each level had a characteristic name, where the lowest was 'Scout'. Sorry, I can't remember the other three. :-)
Amiga Inc. had that information up on their homepage, but they removed it again.
This is from memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Baute on 08-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
Close, but no cigar.
That was page 9 of the Amiga World zine. It was not linked from the
index, and indeed not meant for release because they are still applying
the finish to the developer support system. Thatīs probably why the
dev boxes arenīt out yet - makes sense to bring the support system up
and running before you roll out the dev material (which will most
likely create instant demand for support).
Ah, Iīd consider it a bad idea to bring out the dev system for PPC
Amiga first. While it might look as a good idea for those who already
have one, we want to draw in developers from the outside, donīt we?
Imagine we are successful. Imagine 1000+ developers wanting a PPC Amiga
so they could start coding for the new OS. How many A1200 are left in
stock? How many PPC boards? Do you really want to tell those helping
hands that they have to rip their new A1200 board from the case and do
a tower coversion first? (Of course, it would be a funny sight... ;-) )
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by David Shipman on 09-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
There seems to be a great deal of confusion here, with reference to an "AMD 500"... now, to point out the obvious for those who have missed it, AMD is a manufacturer. There is a substantial difference between a K6 and K7 (Athlon). The K6 is well known for inferior FPU power to Intel cpus, but the Athlon performs better than a P3 per mhz. Comparing this to a 233 604e you should see that even the fastest accelerated (classic) Amiga is too slow (imho) for any cpu intensive NG Amiga (read : developer box) applications...
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Jeff Martin on 09-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (David Shipman):
When you say K6 you really should say K6 II as the K6 III 400 which I have here is a very nice processor. The K6 III has a L2 cache wich is missing on the K6 II which reduces it's performance.
(Go on, someone tell me I'm wrong.:)
Still prefer my Amiga though.:)
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 09-May-2000 22:00 GMT
Oboy... arne't you talking about the wrong thing now, compareing the CPUs of the two systems. Shouldn't you see this more as a future for those who has a PPC/xVision combo on their Amigas and a cheap way for those of them who code for the Amiga environment to move over to the next generation of AmigaOS. It's not a question if it will be faster or slower, better or worst, it's a way to keep the Amigans which are left. How many times haven't you heared a cry for something new, like a PPC native AmigaOS, new hardware and so on. Now whe have got that (half of it, the software).
Why don't you ask Amiga to support J90 from Cray, there you would get really CPU power.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 09-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Jofre Furtado):
Most Intel CPU's does the same amount of kkeys/sec as my 603 per clockcycle. However, the AMD CPU's are slower on that specific job. That doesn't mean that it is slow doing all tasks.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by SnuggleBunny on 09-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Jofre Furtado):
PPCs actually have an unfair(?) advantage over most other processors when cracking RC5 keys as they are especially good at one particular operation that is critical to the task (I forget the details) and which Alphas for example are quite bad at, resulting in 300Mhz G3 Macs outrunning otherwise much faster (and much more expensive) Alphas.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Jofre Furtado on 09-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Colin Wilson):
Um, hard to imagine- considering that the Intel Celeron is a crap version of the Pentium II processor (i.e. very slow) and the AMD processors easily are faster than the Intel processors altogether. I know- I work on P2's, P3's, P2 Duals, P3 Duals, and I own two AMD K6-2 machines. I owned (temporarily) a Celeron system- and boy, do they suck. I should also mention that the Celeron is limited to a 100MHz front side system bus speed, whereas the AMD's and Pentium 2/3's can go to a 266MHz bus. Internal processing is important, but only to a point where the surrounding hardware will actually output it or even show it to you. Motorola PPC CPU's are also more advanced and faster in multitasking and co-processing capabilities.
Dual Processing is another issue to compare between the CPU's of Motorola and Pentium-classes. Motorola actually develops for it as does the classic and future Amiga OS's, but the Pentium class CPU's have no technology in that area- I mean, two 500 MHz Pentiums/K6's do not equal 1000MHz, but more like 650 at the very most beacause they accelerate each other, not take on seperate processes and cut time in half like PPC CPU's.
ElateOS hosted on PPC/xVision by H&P : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 11-May-2000 22:00 GMT
http://62.8.16.149/centek/phenix/english/p_techx.htm
hmm?
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