|[News] Slashdot on Amiga SDK release||ANN.lu|
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 1 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Carl Butler on 03-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|I distinctly get the feeling that the writers tongue was in his cheek!|
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 6 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by John Millington on 04-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 2 (Rick Riebs):|
I can definately understand the "gee, you have to PAY for development tools?"
attitude. (Not that it has stopped me from pre-ordering the Amiga SDK. I did.)
There's a certain logic to expecting developer tools to be free, and it goes
beyond the "cheapness" of the developers. Wouldn't you expect a new platform
that is getting off to a shakey start, to go out of its way to attract
developers? I would think that the Amiga Inc guys would be praying hard,
"Please let them download the SDK and like what they see, so that they
write us some apps." Lack of 3rd party support is one of the biggest problems
that a computer platform can have, and giving away developer tools is one thing
that can be done to combat that problem.
I see a free SDK as being an intelligent investment, and a way to kickstart
3rd party support.
I guess Amiga Inc doesn't see it that way, or they have large licensing fees
to the parts of the SDK that have come from other parties (e.g. Elate), or
they feel that the pricetag of the SDK isn't too prohibitive. Maybe they're
right, maybe they're not. If I were in the drivers seat over there, though,
I sure wouldn't have taken that gamble unless I were desperate for cash. And
supposedly they aren't.
It's interesting that QNX has recently changed their attitude from charging
developers huge amounts, to giving away theirs for free. Let's see how they
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 5 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Michael Jantzen on 04-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 4 (Torsten):|
Fine - if not linux lets look at almost any other failure of an OS.
OS/2 - $300 SDK...
Next Step - $12000 OS, but it included the SKD :)...
Apple - Pretty expensive, but I'm told there changing this to improve developer support (mostly because their latest OS is based on BSD - which like Linux is open source)
Windows - I can get most almost everything for free off their site or for minimal cost on CD-Rom delivered to my doorstep (and they give away these SDK's to certified developers like ID Software, and other companies)
Which OS has the greatest market share? Well OS/2 has been effectively canceled by IBM (all the promised updates have been canceled), Next Step was cool - but it got absorbed by Apple, and Mac OS? Talk to a Mac OS developer sometime - nuff said. And Microsoft - well they just happen to own 89% of the known OS world - sure they got there illegally, but on the other hand their SDK is free.
Commodore's SDK's were expensive too, but at least they took the time to document everything (including the hardware).
Michael Jantzen ^_^
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 2 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Rick Riebs on 04-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 1 (Carl Butler):|
Not so much tongue-in-cheek as "gee, you have to PAY for development tools? Lusers!" Typical snotty Slashdot attitude. Not to say that everyone on Slashdot has that 'tude, but it is fairly common.
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 3 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Michael Jantzen on 04-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Considering you don't have to pay for Linux developer tools (which is where they are coming from) I think thats understandable. Personally I think Amiga should be doing everything they can and then some to get developers on the band wagon - and give the tools out for free.|
Michael Jantzen ^_^
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 4 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Torsten on 04-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 3 (Michael Jantzen):|
Linux is a complete developed OS. Linux is Linux - AMIE will be something different as I hope. Letīs give Amiga a chance to built a fundament. How could you manage the development of a new (!) OS by thousands of hobby programmers? Linus did this work alone.
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 7 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Akhar on 05-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|I do not see any problem to the price tag it is the same price as Red Hat deluxe or BeOS. But I would like to know the contents of the SDK.|
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 8 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by greenboy on 05-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 6 (John Millington):|
I don't know that successful QNX OEMs felt they were paying too much. And after all, embedded and mission critical markets are relatively small; the cost of development must be shared. I talked to a lot of the OEM people at the QNX2000 show. Lots of loyaly extending back a decade or two. Didn't seem to be much bitterness, seemed to be an abundance of prosperity. A happy crowd, and generous too to see things change for others.
Well, QNX *did* get feedback from interested up-and-comers about trying before buying. And QNX is entering new space: developers' desktop and consumer infotainment (sure, embedded people have been building steadily into convergence for some time now while pervasive product entries from PC powers have mostly just flopped and sunk without a trace) - anyway, QNX is entering new space.
So people can play around with it, do proof-of-concept, demos for management, port for their own use, do free ware, etc. Then, if they go the commercial product they pay a minimal license fee - minimal because consumer space enjoys very large numbers indeed - enough to make a profit, provide support, continue on R&D, and keep excellence first and foremost.
Amiga? They are a start-up. They are not asking so much for an SDK that anybody who is interested should even bat an eyelash. They have costs as a startup. And they, the people, have made a tremendous leap of faith doing the comapany.
So get 'em both (yeah, GetQNX too!) and have fun with them, knowing that these are two of the movements poised to succeed in the coming age. Experiment, play, plan, imagine - become part of something and help make it more incredible.
Oh, yeah, and if you are a developer, *join* Phoenix. We need your help, and you could use ours, and we are working on giving you an edge in a way-big world. We have fun too, and there are some incredible talents to learn from on an informal basis on the MLs. We understand about strting from scratch in a ghetto and building something - that is what we are doing too. All together, we have a hell of a chance (If you are an antisocial skeptic, join anyway - it doesn't cost and you will have plenty of new people to resent;)
-- greenboy [email@example.com], phoenixguy and phacilitator
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 9 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by ian on 06-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Great, so now the Amiga is reduced to some goo running on top of inferior systems. Oh boy, I'm so excited by this revolution in computing.|
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 10 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 9 (ian):|
Ahhhhhh why cannot people understand this simple idea:
The New OS can run by itself or on top of another OS like Linux. That means
some systems won't have Linux on.....
However, did you really expect a totally developed self hosted OS to be done in six months. I hope not...
The fact they have delivered the Dev. Box AND the Linux hosted SDK is quite something in itself.
I thought this misunderstanding had been cleared up...
...obviously not! 8-)
|Slashdot on Amiga SDK release : Comment 11 of 11||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Philip Meason on 11-Jun-2000 22:00 GMT|
|On the pricing of the SDK Gary Peak wrote the following reply to the|
AmigActive mailing list
Don: I think QNX had their offer of 5000 free cd's taken up very
Don: I'm sure the Amiga SDK would be very popular that that price. At
something approaching Ģ100 I don't think they'll quite so fast
Gary Peak: We looked at doing something similar, but realized
straight away that the 80-20 rule would apply and we would simply be
fooling ourselves. Only 20% of the developers grabbing a free copy
will be productive. When people pay money for something, they tend to
take it much more seriously and might actually do something with it.
I agree with this comment, $99 isn't much to ask for the SDK and
having payed for ityou are more likely to want to get something out of
it. If you think how much you would have to pay for Dev tools for
Sony PlayStation the Amiga SDK is pretty cheap. Why are people so
adverse to paying for things these days?
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