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[Rant] Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcementANN.lu
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Jason Compton wrote in comp.sys.amiga.misc: All this is, is an announcement that says that Red Hat will sell Amiga's SDK through their web store. I confirmed with Red Hat's Melissa London (who confirmed it with execs within the company) that this is in no way an announcement of any agreement, alliance, partnership, or joint development agreement. This is, in effect, a press release that says "Our CD is on sale at RedHat.com." Don't let anyone tell you different.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 1 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
Hmm. Though I'm generally skeptical about Amiga's "partnership" announcements,
there seems to be more to it than just Redhat selling the CD, unless this guy
was misquoted:
"We're excited to be working with Amiga," said Paul
McNamara, VP of Products and Platforms. "With a multimedia
consumer layer available with Red Hat as the foundation, new
markets and new users will be able to take advantage of Linux
and the software available on Redhat.com."
So I'd say the reality is somewhere in between Amiga's grandiose style and
Jason Compton's bitter reaction.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 2 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (gary_c):
Which, to my reading & understanding, means exactly what Compton said it
meant.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 3 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Jason Compton can do only one thing: whine.
Suddenly, he's all over the place, calling Red Hat and finding out what's going on.
Why? Because he is worried that maybe Amiga will actually deliver something.
Too bad Jason, you didn't get Bill's job at Gateway, now move on.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 4 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (gary_c):
I wish Amiga Inc. would keep a little more quiet when it comes to such announcements like they did in the beginning of the year. There was more sense back then.
It looks like the local news reporter in a small boring town trying to find a semi-interesting story to fill some pages in a skinny newspaper.
I could go down to a store, buy a RedHat distribution and announce on my personal website: "Henrik Mikael Kristensen announces Strategic Partnership with RedHat." Salesman in store states: "We're happy to be working with solid people like Henrik, and this partnership will be of tremedous benefit to both parties."
Same amount of fluff.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 5 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
I can assure you that there is more to this announcement than the availability of the Amiga SDK at www.redhat.com ! Not for nothing was this announcement also made by Tao Group at their website. Else Tao would have announced the availability of the Amiga SDK at Amazone.com as well. ;)
Sincerely, Mike Bouma.
http://www.stormloader.com/amiga
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 6 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Rick Pezzimenti on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
Irellevant of how much this announcement means, the positive side of this is that amiga is creating mindshare in peoples minds.
Sure it's another story about amiga, but people keep seeing that word pop up everywhere. It's a good thing (tm). I recently
attended a conference in Melbourne Australia, where i listened to one of the senior marketing managers from IBM give a keynote
speech about how IBM didn't market OS/2 as well as Windows, he discussed in detail about how they hadn't got OS/2 in peoples heads
whilst Microsoft was doing all sorts of publicity stunts etc. to gain mindshare in peoples heads. Subsequently, IBM learn from this
and they have done similar things to microsoft's marketing strategies with their new AS/400 domino server...okay, i am rambling now
but my point is this stuff is good for Amiga's name. Remember how we whined about lack of marketing years ago? Now we get a bit
of hype, and we are not allowed to do that either....tsk tsk tsk
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 7 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
Remember that those on the inside (we Amigans in this case) always see things differently from those on the outside (non-Amigans). So let's appreciate that Amiga is getting the word out to the world and not not doing PR. As others have said here, Commodore didn't do PR and we suffered. If you're bitter like Jason then too bad.
ttfn,
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 8 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Perhaps you would have been happier if Jascon said there was an installed 7.5 million user base? Jason did actual foot work and found the announcement to be of hype/spin to sell CDs. What does he get? Whining about him being bitter.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 9 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mike Bouma):
I can assure you that there is more to this announcement than the availability of the Amiga SDK at www.redhat.com ! Not for nothing was this announcement also made by Tao Group at their website. Else Tao would have announced the availability of the Amiga SDK at Amazone.com as well. ;)
>
Then how come no one will say what the "more to this announcement" is?
Mike
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 10 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Androxyn on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Mike):
Because this is not the right time? I don't get this. I can understand people
being cautious and pessimistic concerning Amiga's chances. It's hard
competition. But as far as I can see, they have done nothing wrong so far. They
have delivered (on time even) everything they promised. Yet there seem to be
some anti-Amiga campaign going on here, where the aim is to twist and turn every
thing Amiga say and do to put them in a bad light. Not surprisingly QNX fanatics
are involved.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 11 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Mike):
Indeed this isn`t the right time for Redhat. Redhat 6.2 does not include the Amiga foundation layer. See the Amiga as a cool feature for future Redhat distributions, but it`s not there yet.
Sincerely, Mike Bouma.
http://www.stormloader.com/amiga
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 12 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by L. Carsner on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
Poor Jason. Still not coping with the fact that nobody at AI
is beating your door down with job offers?
Get over it. Stop raining on everyone elses parade.
BTW - who is this "reliable source" you talked with? A receptionist?
Janitor? Mail room clerk?
It may be some who is reputable, however tossing names about does
not automatically insure credibility.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 13 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Androxyn):
Are you calling me a 'QNX fanatic'?
I guess I didn't realize that liking a computer operating system could lead to me being treated with the derision accorded Nazis and convicted rapists.
Point 1- I merely asked a question. I'd like an answer that isn't filled with buzzwords.
Point 2- I'd like to be able to ask that question without being accused of trying to sabotage the efforts of the company I'm asking about. If I wasn't curious about the company in the first place, I wouldn't have asked.
Point 3- I don't see what QNX has to do with it. Why don't you elaborate instead of speaking in veiled, conspiratorial tones.
Point 4- I don't like you Androxyn. If you talked to me, to my face, the way you post messages, you'd likely get punched.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 14 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Androxyn):
>
Yet there seem to be
some anti-Amiga campaign going on here, where the aim is to twist and turn every
thing Amiga say and do to put them in a bad light.
>
OK, 13 messages so far responding to one, by Jason Compton that is claimed to be Anti-Amiga. Of those thirteen, 5 contain personal sounding attacks on Jason Compton. To summarize for those with short attention spans:
-1 Message that puts Amiga in a bad light
-5 Messages that appear to be part of a 'campaign' (your term, not mine), to discredit and personally attack anyone with a differing opinion. Or, 5 messages putting the "AMIGA COMMUNITY" in a bad light.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 15 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Androxyn on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Mike):
>>Are you calling me a 'QNX fanatic'?
Only the first sentence was directed at you. I don't think you should find it
too offensive.
>> I guess I didn't realize that liking a computer operating system could lead to me being
>> treated with the derision accorded Nazis and convicted rapists.
What a hothead! My complaint was simply that certain fans of QNX do not limit
themselves to praising QNX, but rather seem to think it is their obligation to
diss Amiga's every effort. No matter what Amiga do, it is a bad in some way or
other.
>> Point 4- I don't like you Androxyn. If you talked to me, to my face, the way
>> you post messages, you'd likely get punched.
Pop by and give it your best shot, Mike.
:þ
n.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 16 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
>I could go down to a store, buy a RedHat distribution and
>announce on my personal website: "Henrik Mikael Kristensen
>announces Strategic Partnership with RedHat." Salesman in
>store states: "We're happy to be working with solid people
>like Henrik, and this partnership will be of tremedous
>benefit to both parties."
>
>Same amount of fluff.
What? Are you seriously think that? So, that your "move" would have any serious impact on future of millions of people, (which is going to happen with Amiga)? Then, you are who's comments can't be taken too seriously...
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 17 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
LoL, this thread was actually fun to read :o)
/Björn
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 18 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by ian on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>would have any serious impact on future of millions of people, (which is going to happen with Amiga)? <
Bwhahahahahahahah. I've been let down so many times by "the new owners of the Amiga," all gazillion of them, that I seriously doubt anything will happen let alone anything that will impact millions of users. IN a few years AmigA INc. will have squandered millions of venture capital and all you'll have to show for it is yet another API suite that sits on top of Linux. Wooo-friggin-hoooo.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 19 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Steve Folberg on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rick Pezzimenti):
Even IF all this means is that Red Hat is helping to sell the SDK, I think that it's pretty significant. It implies that they think they can make a profit selling it, and that they think it's a worthwhile product. "Mindshare," indeed.
:-)
Steve
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 20 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (ian):
>all you'll have to show for it is yet another API suite that
>sits on top of Linux.
And are you thinking of your girl-friend as just a set of atoms? Any OS could be called as an 'API suite'...
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 21 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Androxyn):
Hey guys, I must say you're both a credit to your respective...computer
platforms? Strange thing to get physical about.
Anyway there are zealots in every group.
Unfortunately they tend to color people's opinions of the whole group. This
polarization is really weird. While "certain fans of QNX do not limit
themselves to praising QNX, but rather seem to think it is their obligation to
diss Amiga's every effort," there are, from my experience, many more that
appreciate what Amiga is trying to do and in fact are coding for or wanting
to be involved in both projects.
If people do want to make comparisons, it's
a little early, with nothing out of beta yet. Hopefully the companies and
organizations involved will be honest and forthright in their announcements,
and prompt with their releases, and fans will accentuate the positive, 'cause
that's really the only place you score points anyway.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 22 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Nian on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
My Ass Commodore didn't do advertising and PR, they were constantly sticking billboards, TV commercials, Business partnerships and the like, all over the world. As for it been a good thing, I'm still thinking along the lines of "Erm wheres the amiga in all this shite?
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 23 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Marcel on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Nian):
Somebody wrote:
My Ass Commodore didn't do advertising and PR, they were constantly sticking billboards, TV commercials,
Business partnerships and the like, all over the world. As for it been a good thing, I'm still thinking along the lines of
"Erm wheres the amiga in all this shite?
<------------
Well, that all depends on what part of the world you are in and where those ads were placed. Here in North America, CBM did advertise the Amiga, but they did very little of it and most of the ads ran in Amiga or Commodore magazines. Very few tv or radio spots, and very few cool promotions.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 24 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (L. Carsner):
>BTW - who is this "reliable source" you talked with? A receptionist?
> Janitor? Mail room clerk?
> It may be some who is reputable, however tossing names about does
> not automatically insure credibility.
Try Red Hat's PR agent, as listed on the press release you're so excited about.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 25 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Lancelot Du Lac on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Jason Compton):
Jason,
Who cares what Red Hat's PR guy told you over the phone. What the PR person tells you and what is realty can very often be two different things. I seem to remember a time when you were working for Viscorp as the PR guy and there were plenty of things they were planning that you "couldn't" tell the Amiga community. Just because you decided to say "I cannot divulge this at this time" as opposed to RedHat's denial doesn't mean there isn't something else going on behind the scenes, or have you been out of business so long to remember that the public "face" as opposed to the internal operations "face" are usually two different entities.
I don't know what you have against Amiga Inc., but you're obviously not happy or you wouldn't waste so much time trying to make something a meaningless as a press release sound bad. I mean, anybody who's been in business knows that you cannot make claims such as the ones made by Amiga Inc. about a partnership without having something (however small that may be) in the works, because if you do, the other company is going to publically deny in a press release and very possibly sue over the release (which RedHat as done neither). I don't know how important you must think you are to actually think RedHat is going to tell you something that they aren't ready to make a press release on themselves, but you might want to get over yourself quick before you make an even bigger fool of yourself than you did with this "press release debunk" that you think was actually worth something.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 26 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Jason Compton):
Incidentally, the only reason I bothered to check up (and subsequently post) about this announcement in the first place was that I was working on a column for www.linux-mag.com that seemed relevant to the announcement, so I wanted to know what the substance of the relationship was. I found out, and since there seemed to be a lot of people who misunderstood, I figured I'd clear things up.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 27 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Mike):
>Remember that those on the inside (we Amigans in this case) always see things
>differently from those on the outside (non-Amigans).
Oh, boy, do you ever.
>So let's appreciate that Amiga is getting the word out to the world and
>not not doing PR. As others have said here, Commodore didn't do PR
>and we suffered.
Some people may complain about the effectiveness of Commodore's marketing and PR campaigns but the company WAS perfectly capable of putting out press releases. Amiga Inc. hasn't displayed some uncanny novel knack for getting the Amiga in the public eye.
>If you're bitter like Jason then too bad.
I get the distinct impression that there are a lot of people out there who will refuse to name their sons "Jason."
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 28 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Lancelot Du Lac on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Jason Compton):
Jason,
I really wish you would have explained yourself better sooner. Then I could have avoided making comments like "What do you have against Amiga" and "get over it". Now that you have explained why you even bothered to ask about it, I have to retract my comments about how foolish you look and how full of yourself you are. There is nothing wrong with thorough (sp?) journalism. However, my comments still stand about press releases being meaningless anyway and how RedHat isn't going to tell any journalist what they aren't ready to have released publically.
I seriously doubt Amiga is going to flat out lie about their relationship with RedHat or any other company. However, every company out there puts the PR spin on all internal negotiations to make them sound better, should we expect anything less from Amiga. If they are going to play with the Big Boys, they have to act like the Big Boys, and therefore, we better learn to expect the PR spin that every Big Boy releases. Remember the PR Spin from Sun when it came to JAVA? The reality of JAVA and the PR Spin of JAVA were two seperate entities. Microsoft PR and Microsoft reality with any of it's products are always two different realities. If PR spin is what I have to put up with to eventually get the product that has great potential from Amiga, then I think I can live with it.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 29 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Lancelot Du Lac):
>I really wish you would have explained yourself better sooner. Then I could
>have avoided making comments like "What do you have against Amiga" and "get
How about I explain myself now. The Amiga SDK has been publicly announced by Redhat as Elate with boing balls all over it. Doesn't this tell you something?
>comments still stand about press releases being meaningless anyway and how
>RedHat isn't going to tell any journalist what they aren't ready to have
>released publically.
Redhat has done a serious about face since I last talked to them. The PR representative I last spoke to said they're dropping the Amiga SDK from their web site because Amiga has been in negotiations with Mandrake Linux to make the Amiga SDK part of Mandrake.
>spin that every Big Boy releases. Remember the PR Spin from Sun when it came
>to JAVA? The reality of JAVA and the PR Spin of JAVA were two seperate
>entities. Microsoft PR and Microsoft reality with any of it's products are
Sun and Microsoft deliberately agreed to split the Java standard in a backroom
deal strictly engineered to create controversy while Microsoft and Sun share information technology about active scripting and design a joint strategy against the upcoming threat of PHP.
I have it on good authority that Axel Rose is completely demoralized about the situation and may be returning to the studio to finish his album while Amiga sorts out their game plan. He spoke with Bill Mcewan about integrating ARexx into the SDK with no success.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 30 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Lancelot Du Lac):
>I really wish you would have explained yourself better sooner.
>Then I could have avoided making comments like "What do you have
> against Amiga" and "get over it".
Actually, you could have avoided that anyway.
>However, my comments still stand about press releases being meaningless anyway
>and how RedHat isn't going to tell any journalist what they aren't ready to have released publically.
I read a lot of press releases every day, and yes, many are meaningless, this one included.
But at some point, you have to ask yourself: what's better to base perception on: press releases and their factual interpretations,
or innuendo and insinuations that "BIG!" things are coming?
Me, I'll go with "press releases and their verified interpretations from company representatives and executives," because unless you're on the board of directors, you have little choice.
Incidentally, in case anybody had any doubt, Response 28 was written by a fake. I suppose it's awfully easy to fake your identity here.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 31 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Jason Compton):
>Incidentally, in case anybody had any doubt, Response 28 was written by a fake. I suppose it's awfully easy to fake your identity here.
Argh, it's not Response 28 anymore, it moved, but you know what I mean, the one claiming to be written by me with the "Axl Rose" reference.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 32 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Jason Compton):
I know you're trying to discredit me Eric, and I'm really sorry you didn't work out with Amiga Report, but you don't have to play around. I still have the death threats you made against me. I'm going to report the news whether you like it or not. If that makes me controversial, so be it. Just don't go impersonating me and trying to discredit my stories anymore.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 33 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
Jason just emailed me saying that several comments were not written by him.
If that's what ANN has become, people resorting to such lame measures to get
their point across, I might as well shut it down.
ANN has deliberately stayed very "open" for outside contributions, both in
news submissions and comments, but I do not want this feature to be abused in
such a way.
I do not want any user login system, and I do not want to censor people or
start removing comments (the script wasn't really written with that in mind).
All I want is that ANN and its comments system are used in a civilised way,
by mature and grown-up people. It seems kinda sad that I have to write that
at all.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 34 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Jason Compton):
>Some people may complain about the effectiveness of Commodore's
>marketing and PR campaigns..
Commodore always propagated Amiga as a game machine, and never
emphasized the benefits of its OS. (Sure, they 'pushed' their
crap PC line for 'serious work'. What a blindness!)
>..but the company WAS perfectly capable
>of putting out press releases. Amiga Inc. hasn't displayed some
>uncanny novel knack for getting the Amiga in the public eye.
If you didn't noticed yet, there is something behind all that
AInc. does. Did you heard something about Elate, VP, Amiverse?
Because others did, not just the press-releases.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 35 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jason Compton on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
>Commodore always propagated Amiga as a game machine, and never
>emphasized the benefits of its OS. (Sure, they 'pushed' their
>crap PC line for 'serious work'. What a blindness!)
That's not entirely true. The A2000, 3000, and 4000 were most assuredly not marketed as games machines. The 3000 in particular attracted a lot of attention in the press as the power computer with the potential to turn Commodore around. It didn't exactly happen, of course, but the perception was there.
As for the 500 and 1200, they WERE marketed as game/home computers, and rightfully so.
Also keep in mind that the decision to tout the PC as the computer for serious work was not made by Commodore alone, it was a standard established years before the Amiga was even released.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 36 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Jason Compton):
>That's not entirely true. The A2000, 3000, and 4000 were most
>assuredly not marketed as games machines. The 3000 in particular
>attracted a lot of attention in the press as the power computer
>with the potential to turn Commodore around. It didn't exactly
>happen, of course, but the perception was there.
Commodore never thought it seriously.
>Also keep in mind that the decision to tout the PC as the computer
>for serious work was not made by Commodore alone, it was a standard
>established years before the Amiga was even released.
Oh, now you said something new.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 37 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Lancelot Du Lac on 24-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Jason Compton):
>>I really wish you would have explained yourself better sooner.
>>Then I could have avoided making comments like "What do you have
>> against Amiga" and "get over it".
>Actually, you could have avoided that anyway.
You are correct. I guess I foolishly let my frustration come out on you and your statements when I shouldn't have, and I do apologize. I just annoys me to no end the amount of importance and the resulting arguments displayed simply because Amiga has a press release. I've just become so sick of, "If Amiga says they are partnering with so-and-so how come so-and-so doesn't say they are partnering with Amiga!" When to me, Amiga is simply a new company with an old name trying to bring back to joy in computing that the original Amiga brought when it was first released. If they succeed, great! If they don't, oh well. Either way I still have my Amiga 2000 and will enjoy that until the day I or it dies, whichever comes first.
>>However, my comments still stand about press releases being meaningless
>>anyway
>>and how RedHat isn't going to tell any journalist what they aren't ready to
>>have released publically.
>I read a lot of press releases every day, and yes, many are meaningless, this
>one included.
>But at some point, you have to ask yourself: what's better to base perception
>on: press releases and their factual interpretations,
>or innuendo and insinuations that "BIG!" things are coming?
Neither is better to base perception on. The best thing to base perception on is actual product release. As far as I'm concerned, a press release is simply an amusing tidbit of information used to fill the void between initial product announcement and product release, nothing more.
>Me, I'll go with "press releases and their verified interpretations from >company representatives and executives," because unless you're on the board of >directors, you have little choice.
I'll still go with the facts proven by product release.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 38 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Pierre Narcisse on 28-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Lancelot Du Lac):
I whole heartly agree let the product releases tell the story. Jason you for one should know this. Your stay at Viscorp should remind you. Remember they,Viscorp, had press releases about what they wanted to do. But those plans never materialized and you got fustrated and left. As far as I can see Amiga Inc. is they only one to have released a product. Escom didn't Viscorp never showed, And Gateway ran away. The point is if you release a product then we have something to go on. So Amiga Inc can continue to make press releases as long as they release products. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
Jason Compton on Amiga/Red Hat announcement : Comment 39 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by bad-packet on 30-Oct-2000 23:00 GMT
"Yet there seem to be some anti-Amiga campaign going on here, where the aim is to twist and turn every
thing Amiga say and do to put them in a bad light. Not surprisingly QNX fanatics
are involved."
Sighhhhh....
I'll be damned how a bunch of geeks can get so all fired up over PR. We've all been bent over more than once by Amiga pupeteers,
and it looks like many of you liked it, and just want more.
Amiga hasn't divulged how they are going to avoid the Be debacle of drivers not being available.
That is going to sink the Amiga.
I know. Because I don't want a Matrox 53-Generation card.
I want my Nvida. Don't support it? Not even a basic, no-frills generic
driver?
Then so long. I don't have time for this kids stuff anymore.
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