|[News] Petro not leaving Amiga||ANN.lu|
|Posted on 14-Sep-2000 14:01 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä||22 comments|
Czech Amiga News posted the following: "Kleng Hodnefjell asked Petro if 'Is it true that he quit ?' Here is the answer: 'Sorry but I have no plans to quit. I have only invested 50 % in Power Service, which is a company I believe in. It is no Computer Company and no competition... Power Service is a Job agency for IT Specialists. I will continue with my beloved AMIGA. Best regards and thanks for your mail...Petro'"
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 1 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Brad on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Too bad. I was hoping we'd finally be rid of that dead wait. I still think he must secretly be the Amiga.com homepage, and if he isn't, I can think of two people Amiga should get rid of.|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 2 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Brad on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Would you take me more seriously if I learnt to spel. That should have read, "dead weight"|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 3 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Brad on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|And the rest should have read:|
I still think he must secretly be the Amiga.com homepage WEBMASTER.
Maybe I should just stop now. sorry
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 4 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Ville Sarell on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Petro is a humane individual, that's why most of us like him so much. He has also done alot for keeping the spirit alive. I was really disapointed to see so many unjustified comments, without any real facts about this issue. Use your common sense and realise it's no use to grow these rumours (about Petro "leaving" Amiga) too much.|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 5 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Ian Otter on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 4 (Ville Sarell):|
I agree, Petro has done a lot for all of us and the Miggy. If it was
not for him Amiga would of been lost and left to die. He stayed with
us all through the hard and harder times. He has even bought me beer
at Amiga Shows. How many PC freeks has Bill Gates bought beer for?!
All the best Petro, and keep up the good work. PETRO IS THE KING
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 6 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Steve Zoneff on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 5 (Ian Otter):|
Comments 4 and 5 are spot on the mark.
Petro is an assett. I have met him and I have great respect for him.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 7 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by nOM^ on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
If it wasn't for Petro, Amiga was not been purchased by Gateway.
And if Gateway didn't bought the Amiga ... Bill Mcewen probably didn't
get his hands on it.
I think its pitty that people start slagging someone of only because
he's not in the picture righ now.
I only have respect for the man, and so should the rest of the Amigans.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 8 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by XDelusion on 13-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Well he did sign my mouse when I first met him, and those shrooms he gave me totally rocked my world!! He he, just kidding hope that was not too extreem. Anyhow he did seem really kool and down to earth I can say that, still got my picture of my friend and him matter of fact.|
On the other hand, I am curious what all he has done, not to knock him or anthing, but it seems more like he is a representative, and really not the guy who gets the ball rolling, I would like to see a little more coverage on my favorite German (aside of the band Laibach :) ), I have been curious what he does exactly, heck what does the rest of Amiga staff do generally? I'd like to see an interview, on them and there feelings on the whole Amiga saga!!
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 9 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Brad on 14-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Ok...Ok... I concede.That is a very good point about Petro not leaving Amiga through all the hard times. I suppose, in a way, I blame him for not doing anything to make things better for us sooner, but what can he do if he doesn't hold a position of power right?|
What I don't understand, is why he ever stayed. I remember reading an interview with him, and he was basically saying he was a business man and didn't even own an Amiga.
Shame about the website though.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 10 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Richard on 14-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|I donīt want to see Petro leave Amiga. As everyone else have stated, he if any, have been loyal all the time to the Amiga. One has to remember that he is a sales/business man and he sells the products available. He is not the man to consult with deep technical questions regarding hardware or operating systems. That is up to the R&D department.|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 11 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Anonymous on 14-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In an other thread I wrote "He just kept saying 'The future is bright!' and the rest done by the community." Well it's not correct, he not just in words belived in Amiga. He kept their office going, gained constracts, and AIK he organized the restarting of manufacturing of Amigas at under Escom, not mentioning (sadly unfinished) "vacuum cleaner" project (how they called it?), etc. But, both him and the community was equally essential to keep Amiga alive.|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 12 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Bob C. on 14-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Petro seem to be a good man in many respects. He was one of the few lights shining in the very dark days. I hope he stays on and does very well for himself and the Amiga!|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 13 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Anon on 14-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Petro doesn't *appear* to have done much for the Amiga, I agree. However, this is because he's been busy actually running it for a long time, as well as being a representative.|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 14 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by XDelusion on 14-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|Ya, lets not forget he gave us those groovy little Boing Ball Beach Balls..|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 15 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|When Petro was running the marketing show we had all kinds of fun stuff to spread around UGs, and he was generously giving them away. What do we have now? Very little. The new Amiga has really failed with UG support, even Gateway was better ('cause Petro was running that part of PR). I hope they'd let Petro continue with his goodwill gestures...|
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 16 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Stuart on 16-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|My first ever mail to ANN!|
Petro is THE man responsible that Bill McEwen has Amiga.com. If it wasn't for Petro, the amiga would have left the corporate arena a long time ago.
I just had to say that after reading negative "newbie" mails above!
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 17 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Martin Baute on 17-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|: He kept their office going, gained constracts, and AIK he organized the|
: restarting of manufacturing of Amigas at under Escom, not mentioning (sadly
: unfinished) "vacuum cleaner" project (how they called it?), etc.
Walker. Sadly unfinished? 030/40, 1 MByte ChipRAM, AGA, some pseudo-PCI slot... this thingy stank! (I donīt flame the case design, because I actually liked it ;-) )
: Petro doesn't *appear* to have done much for the Amiga, I agree. However,
: this is because he's been busy actually running it for a long time, as well
: as being a representative."
Petro was brilliant at keeping Amiga more or less afloat, fixing the Escom and Gateway deals. Granted.
But he has neither technological knowledge nor vision.
But I *donīt* want to see him in charge of Amiga marketing. (Personal opinion, mind you.) As nice as the Amiga socks are (warm and cosy and all), Iīd rather see some ads that people donīt laugh at, like they did with the Amiga matches or AmiCola. (The latter, however, had the advantage of being the cheapest drink available in Cologne last year. ;-) )
: Ya, lets not forget he gave us those groovy little Boing Ball Beach Balls..
About the only merchandising gadget I didnīt get my hands on. :-(
: When Petro was running the marketing show we had all kinds of fun stuff to
: spread around UGs, and he was generously giving them away. What do we have
: now? Very little. The new Amiga has really failed with UG support, even
: Gateway was better ('cause Petro was running that part of PR). I hope they'd
: let Petro continue with his goodwill gestures...
I hope the Snoqualmie gang is concentrating 100% on creating *product*, both time and money wise. While itīs nice to show off your Amiga ball-pen and t-shirt, if we want user groups to *continue*, we need a *system* to support, not some logo merchandising stuff to wave around.
Or put it this way: Choose between the Gateway/Amiga products (merchandise) and the Amino/Amiga products (SDK, dīAmiga, AmigaOne coming up)...
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 18 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Janne Sirén on 17-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|>Or put it this way: Choose between the Gateway/Amiga products (merchandise)|
>and the Amino/Amiga products (SDK, dīAmiga, AmigaOne coming up)...
One question: Why should we have to choose?
Of course we prefer the product, but user groups need support to keep going, and that has been lacking - I would prefer both product and support. And it's not only about merchandise, but other kinds of support as well. For example, it would be nice to have SDK's etc. borrowed to user groups for demonstration.
Petro used to be all over the place with his message of hope and he did lift spirits. That was important for the community. I'm not talking about mainstream marketing here, nor am I saying that products development isn't important. I'm just pointing out, that since Amiga decided all PR is handled through the U.S. HQ, user group support has diminished (do correct me if someone feels differently).
User groups have been responsible for a lot of good in the Amiga community over the last few years. I would hate to see them suffer before those new products hit the streets. I know Amiga recognizes their importance, but I'm not quite sure they recognize the potential in Petro as a user group support person.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 19 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Martin Baute on 18-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 18 (Janne Sirén):|
: I'm just pointing out, that since Amiga decided all PR is handled through the
: U.S. HQ, user group support has diminished (do correct me if someone feels
I do. Our group didnīt recieve any official support during Gateway times, and still doesnīt recieve it. That might be due to the fact that we didnīt ask for it, because our idea of a user group is probably different.
We had our fourth hardware meeting this weekend. The SDKs presented were owned by group members (and visitors!). The Wipeout 2097 CD won in the Amiga Trivia Contest was my own, which was useless to me because I no longer own a PPC Amiga. We didnīt show merchandise, and we didnīt show product because there is none worth presenting. I did a lectures on ANSI-C coding for beginners, and one on the Ami / SDK technology. We helped users with their problems, and showed that we still believe in this thing named "Amiga".
Merchandise doesnīt help if you donīt have product. Having both is tops, of course. But I would rather have product and no merchandise than vice versa. IMHO, of course.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 20 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Janne Sirén on 18-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 19 (Martin Baute):|
>I do. Our group didnīt recieve any official support during Gateway times, and
>still doesnīt recieve it. That might be due to the fact that we didnīt ask for
>it, because our idea of a user group is probably different.
We didn't receive anything either until we asked, and when we did, we usually got much more from Petro than we ever asked for or expected.
But that doesn't mean our user group didn't do a lot on it's own. It did and does, including members providing content, support (both material and financial) to each other, to help, entertain and support each other in our hobby. This time one of our members bought an SDK just so that we could demo it. She is not a programmer, so she has no other use for it.
The Saku events we used to host (and hopefully will host again in the future), were financially sponsored solely by our user group members, and all the demo machines etc were our own. But the added support (merchandising material, visits, fax messages, etc.) from Amiga made a huge difference in a market (Finland) where direct support from Commodore/Amiga has always been a rarity.
I have been discussing this with the current Amiga recently and they seem to agree, which comforts me.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 21 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Martin Baute on 19-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 20 (Janne Sirén):|
Of course I didnīt meant to say anything you did was wrong, to the contrary. Itīs just my personal impression (and that of several others from our group) that most of Amiga merchandise a little... well, pathetic.
|Petro not leaving Amiga : Comment 22 of 22||ANN.lu|
|Posted by Janne Siren on 19-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT|
|In reply to Comment 21 (Martin Baute):|
Well, probably some of it [merchandising items] indeed was. But amongst the
community some people seemed to appreciate it quite a lot, so I think it did
some good during those darker years. It brought well inteded smiles to a lot of
faces - in my experience at least. Of course some people disliked it as well.
But the point I was trying to make didn't solely concern merchandising
items, but generally support for user groups. Petro was very active in all
sorts of support (like visits, etc.) and that the current Amiga has been
lacking, since they, as far as I know, took that liberty away from Petro?
I have been informed that they are planning to improve this situation, which,
as I said, indeed comforts me. Good luck to your user group efforts as well!
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