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[News] Gamesmania covers AmigaANN.lu
Posted on 21-Sep-2000 07:17 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä31 comments
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Gamesmania have an article on Amiga. Unfortunately they don't quite "get it".

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Posted by George on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
It's truely amazing how little research went into writing this article.
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
I prefer Mars bars.
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Posted by Floyd Dameron on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
The article wasn't really saying that the Amiga would live or it would die, it
was saying that Amiga Technologies and the companies writing software for the
Amiga would have to blow their own horns. After all, when Commodore stopped
advertising for the Amiga look what happened to them. I really would like to see
the old grey box get a foothold again. Later...
-Floyd Dameron
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
> With Amiga's new hardware and developers getting into the Amiga game, only
> time will tell if the snickers are warranted. But it sure will be
> interesting.
This is probably the best summary of the whole, they did quite a bit of looking, but no real digging. They've touched the limelight and drawn attention to some of the key players in the Amiga field, that for one, is good. Also, regardless of how inaccurate the article might be, they didn't bash or flame the Amiga and put it in the same concern as the up and coming Linux movement. That in my opinion is a step in the right direction. The fact that they only touched on gaming though, there's where I feel they need to wake up a bit but then you have to consider, it's only a "gamesmania" site.
So, give them a break. They did good for what they were wanting to cover on the article.
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Posted by Electric Head on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (George):
True, there may not be much research or thought put into it, but then with the
herd-like windoze mentality we're all used to suffering.. would the end users put much research into the Amiga background
before buying it either? They would probably only be interested in how
'cool' it is to have one.. and hopefully Amiga inc can bring those days back :o)
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Posted by XDelusion on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
I thought it was a pretty good article, but I am one of those people who does not really care if I ever get Shogo and the like on my Classic Amiga just for that fact that I can get it for my PeeSea for $10 (actually my copy was free :) ).
Anyhow, it is very good to see that Amiga did get mention, and that it was compared to Linux by the fact that it has spent much time in silence and in the dark, and now has re-emrged, and seems to be making a lot of fuss, let alone new web pages on the topic. My main concern really is this:
If we get Shogo and the like, what good is it going to do us in the long run? I know for certain that no one in there right mind, with the exception of us crazed Amiga freaks, would actually go out, and hunt down a classic Amiga, let alone invest a few hundred bucks in upgrading, and on top of that another $30 to $50 bucks just to play games on an old computer, or even to marvel at the concept. These people would have to go through the hassel of learing new hardware (the easy part with Amiga) and learning a new OS, and what not. I personally do not see any future with these games at all, unless on one hand, they will run under the new OS, and run efficiently, as Bill was stating classic softare would in one of his most recent interviews. And on the other hand, a new Classic Amiga becomes available with PPC, much RAM, nice GFX Card, ect. all for a verry affordable price, and plenty of software. For instance a Boxer shipping with Shogo, or something more up to day, like oh lets say Half Life, you know, something MODERN. But then why again would someone go out and blow all there money on a gameing computer that can not even do shockwave correctly, supports no Real Player,
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Posted by George on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
I believe this article was refering to the new Amiga, not new games for the Classic Amiga.
As for being a possitive article, I would have to agree. The problem is that they refer more than once to this being about some awsome new hardware, which misses the point completely. Amiga won't neccessarily have to compete with MS, Sony, Nintendo and the like, if all Amiga games will eventually be able to run on their systems as well as the AmigaOne. I have already seen mention several times of the SDK running on a Playstation.
I'm all for seeing Amiga mentioned in the non-Amiga media, but it would be nice to see something a little more informative and factual. Just my opinion...
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Posted by Chris Kelley on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
Personally,I think this article hits the nail right on the head.I don't see what's inaccurate about it,either.When the Ami-One comes out,Miscrosoft and Apple aren't going to step aside and let us through.It's going to be a fight from the start.And there's no guarantee that Amiga will even get an honorable mention.Plus,this is an article from a guy who is not in the cult-like inner circle we call the Amiga community.So,he has a more fresh,albeit sobering, point of view.
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Posted by XDelusion on 20-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
So you are telling me Shogo, Heretic 2, Sin, and the like are for the new OS?
Since when!??!
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
The URL given seems to be outdated. I'm getting a GamesMania page
with some menus, a couple of Amiga vendor URLs, and an Amiga logo with nothing
attached to it. Does anyone have the correct URL or a copy of the article ?
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Posted by Mathew on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
The link is correct, but the page uses cascading style sheets and funny colors, so that the text is unreadable in IBrowse. The text is black on black!
Try saving it as text and reading that.
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Posted by Chris Kelley on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (XDelusion):
I thought this was part of Amiga and Hyperion's partnership deal.
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Posted by Elliott Olson on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mathew):
I got the same black on black with AWeb, so I saved the page to RAM: and changed the BG to a lighter color in order to read it.
Perhaps the site needs some feedback on this problem.
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Posted by XDelusion on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
Hmm could this be that Amiga is cursed with crap web browsers? Ya there better than operah, but...
This, Amiga needs more than any game.
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Posted by Marcel on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (XDelusion):
Did it in netscape too, so it's not only amiga with crap browsers...or at least crap web designers. ;)
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Posted by XDelusion on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Marcel):
Ain't that the Truth...
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Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
You can try one of the AmigaONE browsers already now (if you have a
Linux or Windows PC): Espial Escape, the one they ran at the demo
show.
It's a javabased browser, conforms to the personal Java standard,
takes up 800k and performs fairly well, for a java program. It doesn't
have too many features either, but it renders pages very well, and it
supports JS 1.4.
So we got at least ONE browser.
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Posted by tronman on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (XDelusion):
Here Here!
I bought a new PC and used its web browser for a week or two, then tried Amiga's
broken browsers. Ouch! I used my Amiga well into 2000, still use it for Email (cause
YAM just rocks!) but for any serious surfing (eg if I want some Java action or I want to
watch the movies, etc.) it's PC time, unfortunately. But hey, when the PeeCee runs the
new Amiga OS and is free of the 70's era underpinnings of current OS's, you'll see its
not that bad after all..
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Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Chris Kelley):
What the writer didn't get was that the new Amiga isn't about hardware at all. It's not a competitor to the Playstation, the X-Box or the Game Cube, let alone the PC. On the contrary, it will be able to leverage on these platforms, at least most of them.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (XDelusion):
XDelusion, you are once again illustrating your ignorance.
Something more up to date than Shogo and then you suggest Half Life?
Check the respective release dates!
They were released at the SAME TIME!
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Posted by Martin Baute on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (XDelusion):
: So you are telling me Shogo, Heretic 2, Sin, and the like are for the new
: OS?
: Since when!??!
Right from the start. Hyperion made a point in that their porting licenses
are "for any OS distributed under the Amiga brand, including but not limited
to OS 3.5" (quoting from memory here). This means they can do ports to Amiga
OS 3.5 as well as the new OS ("Ami"), which is what they intended, but cannot
do ports to e.g. MorphOS (because it´s not Amiga brand).
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Posted by Chris Kelley on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Ah..I didn't really pay attention to that little detail... :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Chris Kelley):
Neither that the author is a woman (Samantha Craggs)... :)
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Posted by Chris Kelley on 21-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
I'd like a moment of slience as I hang my head in shame... :)
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Posted by XDelusion on 22-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Ignorance is my middle name, but that is OK, I can forigve my parents for that. :O)
I love how you put that!
ANyhow let me rephrase that:
Amiga needs games that hit and stayed no the charts, ya know, the ones that we all still play the crap outta today! Though I would not gripe if Doom Legecy was ported with GL Support...
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Posted by XDelusion on 22-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Martin Baute):
That rox totally, if it is going to support the new OS, then ok, I for one (and I don't speak for the masses mind you) would pay $30 -$50 all over again for Shogo and the like, screw it! :O)
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (XDelusion):
What are you hanging around Amiga sites then?
You are just supporting Microsoft and Wintel game companies.
With an attitude like that, do you think anybody would buy Mac or Linux games?
Or console games where you also have a number of conversions from PC?
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Posted by XDelusion on 22-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Are you talking to me again?
Why do I hang out on Amiga sites? Well I would like to say it is so I can tick people like you off, but that is not it unfortunatly, I come here because I have been into amiga for about the past 4/5 years, and am eager to see what is next. As for games being ported from a Winbox? Well sorry dude, it ain't my fault Amiga was charging too much for there hardware at the time when Microshaft develped Win 3.x for the cheaper type computers, and it ain't my fault that all Amiga games, they kool by the fact that they are retro, do not capture the mass majority's attention. I mean ya Super Nintendo and all that is still kool, but if I want to play stuff like that, I just fire up Snes9x, GLmame, or what not you know? It is king of like Blitter Soft's new Bubble Buster, while it is definatly a kool game, I would rather just fire up NeoRageX and play Puzzle Bobble, and save some doe.
On the other hand my friend, if Retro were the in thing, then I am sure Winblows users would be looking forward to the next port of Zak McKracken, or Spin Dizzy worlds or something ya know? Besides as you can tell I never really use my 1200 for games, it ain't like I can run Quake, and liten to my MP3 list or at the same time or anything. So no my old Amiga is used for everything but that, encoding MP3's or anything of the like!! Why??? Because of the same reason Amiga died in the early 90's...
...expence!! Key word Expence, does that sink into your phat skull there buddy!?!? Grr
He he, sorry those male ego testosterones were kicking in again there.
Well I better go work on my car and beat my wife, talk to ya later!
Gamesmania covers Amiga : Comment 29 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Extensor on 22-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
I wrote the following to the writer of the article....
> Just a little correction.
> In the article you state...
>
> "Add to that Sony's Playstation and Playstation2, Microsoft's Xbox, Sega
> Dreamcast, Nintendo's 64 and Game Cube and John Gildred's upcoming
> Linux-based Indrema console. Is there any room for Amiga?"
>
> The Amiga SDK can run on top of any system. Including consoles.
> There is already a Dreamcast / Amiga SDK implementation.
>
> What happens is when the game starts it loads in a translator for that
> machine, then the rest of the VP code is launched.
>
> So you see the platforms mentioned above do not compete with the amiga
> but complement it.
> Extensor
>
> ps. If you need detailed info i'm sure someone at Amiga.com would be
> more then happy to help you.
And she wrote back....
I actually contacted Amiga on several occasions and no one got back to me.
Argh.
Thanks for the mail, Extensor. :)
So maybe Amiga Inc. is to blame for them not getting it.
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Posted by XDelusion on 22-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Extensor):
Ya I hope Amiga ain't ignoring people now, they always wrote back to me, even when I was just being silly. Hmmm.
So how to get the SDk or the AmiOS on Dreamcast anyhow? That is what I would kill to know.
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Posted by Dave McKergan on 23-Sep-2000 22:00 GMT
As long as we have Unreal Tournament (and it's compatible with all other implementations) in the new 'Amiverse' - I have played that game to death on my PeeCee, it's an absolutely killer game. In the old days it would probably have been called a 'tractor' app...
We need something like that - if the new Amiga system is as good as proposed, it will shine by having slicker graphics, higher framerates, faster gameplay etc. (Anyone seen the PS2 version yet? The MPEG of it doesn't look too good.)
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