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[News] No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the MediatorANN.lu
Posted on 14-Oct-2000 10:01 GMT by Ben Yoris111 comments
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In a recent press release, DCE announces an exclusive contract with the CGFX team for Voodoo3 drivers. These drivers will now be committed to the G-Rex PCI busboard. This contract seems to be an alliance against the Mediator PCI busboard from Elbox. More details.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 1 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Apparently the CGI script failed again.
The preview I had before I submit was good and then the result lacks the <BR> and the link.
Any way here's the link : www.vgr.com/cybergfx/DCE_vfd_friday.txt
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 2 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Great. Hope this was a bad joke, it being Friday 13th and all :)
No chance of drivers if the SharkPPC comes out, and that probably won't work in the GREX without some huge cludges. Reminds me too much of POS/WUP.
Assuming thats gonna get released anyway.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 3 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
If this is true (and it seems to be), I will put DCE and VGR on my
boycott list along with Microsoft. I will defineately NOT buy a
G-REX.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 4 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Harris on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Personally, I not too concerned about CGX bailing out of writing Voodoo
drivers for the Mediator. At the moment, I've just picked up a cheap S3ViRGE
card to hold me over until we see some TNT2 drivers.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 5 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Matt on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Then don't buy one. I don't see DCE complaining about it (and I don't remember
anyone at Microsoft ever complaining about you boycotting them, either :)
Has it not occurred to anyone that the Mediator board may just be a complete
bitch to program drivers for anything more than a 4MB graphics card?
If it is, as Ben Yoris so elegantly posited, an "alliance against Elbox" then it
will only be one cooked up by you lot. Willy-nilly grouping of developers into
convenient groups and then sparking tensions and flame wars about it is NOT the
best way to win said developers over.
If Elbox wanted those drivers, maybe they should have consulted the people who
they'd rely on to write them, before creating such an unfriendly contraption?
BTW, it seems that the DCE G-REX board is based on the never-released phase5
PCI bridge, which has had quite a lot of testing and development done on it,
and is well known in it's workings by the very people who were working on
drivers for it - Vision Factory - and who will be resuming that driver work.
How else did you think a Voodoo3 driver appeared so quickly in alpha for the
Mediator? Frank Mariak may be a God, but I doubt he could knock up drivers for
a squeaky new chipset THAT fast ;)
Matt
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 6 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
That's my word! This is really too much...
Creating a _driver_ exclusively for one company is really sick.
There is no need for such behaviour in the Amiga world!
Now that DCE have realized lots of us prefer the Mediator path they
have to use unfair means to get some customers. **** *** for that!
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 7 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Matt):
I have nothing against DCE and I thank Thomas Dellert for my BlizzarPPC and all the ex-Phase 5 products.
Anyway, in an objective way I wrote "it seems to be an alliance against Elbox" just as if I'd written "Linux and Amiga join and it seems to be an alliance against Microsoft" (just an example, ok ? :)
Moreover, many clues confirm that point of view, not the least is that Frank Mariak had begun writing drivers for Voodoo3 then gave up for Grex.
If I had written "this f***ing Dellert and Mariak signed a disgusting agreement to blow out Elbox" this would have been not objective and agressive.
But I didn't wrote that and neither think this way...
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 8 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by DanDude on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
How's the staff of P96 doing?
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 9 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (DanDude):
Hey!
This is an interesting question! P96 is much better than CyberGFX on my setup, and it is not a complete mess in terms of installation and maintenance (the sick installer setup!!) - the P96 ppl should continue their P96 driver-system - it seems only logical!
<br>
Anyhow, CyberGFX is commercial, and P96 is shareware. Why the heck should we make drivers commercial!? Key pagages for the OS should be free, if not included in the installation of it.
<br>
Or something..
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 10 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by nozaj on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
It's not good is it. I almost regret buying my mediator. Almost, that is. It is here now, installed. Just need some platinum sound card drivers.
I'm tempted to just buy a crappy virge ( i use Blizzard vision atm) get a fat sound card and take it with me to Amiga one
P.S Ram prices are about to jump in time for xmas. I got 128mb 133 ram ordered for amiga one. Remeber, how much ram do u need? more than u already have ;)
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 11 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Eagle One on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
DCE and VGR should regret this decision...I see that the reaction of the Amiga community is VERY NEGATIVE regarding this decision, and I'm sure that it's not good for any company. The 8mb issue problems could be really the reason for the cancellation of the drivers, but for most people, the reasons seems purely commercial.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 12 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Smith on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
If this bit of news from DCE is true then it#s not really a nice tactic, the Amiga market is small enough as it is without the bigger players flexing their muscles and trying to squeeze out competition.
I don't understand why VFD have agreed to do it, surely the more graphics cards/buses they support then the better their sales of CGX will be ?
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 13 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
This is a bunch of bull, personally I am going with the Elbox, unless of course it ends up being nothing it is supposed to be when it is released. I would be more than happy to have two PPC CPU's and a dinky S3 for Video, just keep the cost low and I am interested, it ain't like Classic Amiga has any games that need anything better than a S3. And I am sure by the time we may have GL games, somone may have come up with VooDoo1 drivers, or a way to get past this little memory limitation.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 14 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (XDelusion):
Well, instead of starting this flame war, with the people who actually write
critical drivers for their product, Elbox should of probably got a contractural
agreement with the folks writing the driver's, in this case the RTG system still
being supported on the Amiga, why should a commercial product such as cybergraphx,
be obligated to supply free driver's for another manufacturer's board. Which it
seems is a hack to support properly because of amiga motherboard limitations anyway.
I mean this response is obviously because of someone from Elbox Flaming Mariak, so
Elbox will have to live with it, or *pay* for someone to develop drivers for an alternate
RTG system.
Regards
MIKE
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 15 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Tsaldaris on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I dont know if ELBox pay for for drivers or not but this is not the
problem of who is going to develop them the Developers Kits for both
CGFX and P96 is out there so any good programmer can write one
so in the future ELBOX can find one and write drivers for VooDoo
3,5,xyz TNT and whatever just a bit delay it isnt necesary for
the drivers to be writen by the CGFX team can be writen by a 3rd
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 16 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by ExiE on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
about 8MB frame limit of A1200 version of Mediator...
there will be also A3/4000 version without this limitation!
and i am not sure is there is dev kit for CGX4
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 17 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Another Mike on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MIKE):
What evidence do you have of Elbox flaming anyone? Why would they
flame a guy writing drivers for them?
Obviously, I can see why they would flame him now...
This whole situation can be summed up in a nutshell. If DCE want's to
pay the CGX guys to write a driver for them, that's one thing. I
don't even mind if it gets precidence over a driver that you aren't
getting paid to write.
However, paying someone to not develop for a competing product is just
plain fucking wrong. Over in the unmoderated section, there is a
quote from Mr. Dellert of DCE backing up the assumption (based on the
obvious facts) that that is EXACTLY what is going on. Unless that
changes, the culprits of this will never see another dime from me.
Just as a side note, this pretty much kills the market for future PPC
accelerators (the Elbox board and the AmiJoe), doesn't it? If you
want a G3, you'll have to buy a crappy blizzard or Cyberstorm board,
then buy DCE's expansion board, then buy another G3 to go on top of
it. What a fucking mess.
By the way, I'm accessing the NET via the $8 NIC I slapped in my
Mediator this morning, and it works flawlessly. I'll be giving a full
review in a few days. As a preview though, I'll say that I'm very
satisfied with the Mediator so far.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 18 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Eagle One):
The technical reasoning is quite transparent. The just announced G3/G4 addon "very probably" eliminates the memory-window issue!
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 19 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In german Amiga-Club Forum Thomas Dellert posted the following (i translated the key sentences):
Basically the G-Rex is an old p5 delevopment running for about 2 years in Frank Mariaks Amigas as
PCI-Adapter. It was especially designed for the p5 PPC cards. Voodoo3 is working 100% already.
German distributor Vesalia was forced by Elbox to take all G-Rex details off their website else Elbox
would no longer supply products.
Therefore DCE will put all info (photos, prices, delivery time etc.) onto their website. Should
be available on thursday.
Concerning the driver: DCE simply paid a 3rd party developer (i.e. Frank Mariak) for his work to have
the drivers. Elbox had the chance to get the same. They would only have to invest some money of course.
Please remember that is just a rough translation of the following german text and not necessarily my
personal opinion (though it sounds quite logical to me).
PCI und VooDoo
Bevor es hier zu wilden Spekulationen kommt einige Infos.
Unser G-REX PCI Board ist eine alte P5 Entwicklung, die bereits seit 2 Jahren in den Rechnern von Frank Mariak als PCI Steckkartenadapter läuft.
Ist auch nur für bereits bestehende PPC Systeme gedacht. Voodoo 3 läuft ebenfalls bereits zu 100 %.
Unsere deutscher Distributor Vesalia wurde von ELBOX erpresst, alle Details des G-Rex, von der Webseite zu nehmen. Ansonsten würde er nicht mehr länger von ELBOX beliefert.
Daher leider keine Preise und Infos von dieser Seite. Da können Sie sich jeder selber bei Vesalia drüber informieren.
Ab Donnerstag kann man alle Details mit Fotos, Preisen, Lieferzeiten usw. auf unserer Webseite sehen.
Zur Lizenzfrage. Wir haben eigentlich nur einen Entwickler für seine geleistete Arbeit *entsprechend bezahlt*. Das hätte Elbox auch haben können. Dafür muss man aber bereit sein auch Geld zu investieren.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 20 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alpha on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ralph):
If DCE announces a G3/G4 card for G-Rex, and it doesn't forces me to buy a crappy BlizzardPPC card to slap G-Rex into it, then I would buy a G-Rex, or at least take it seriously...
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 21 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Martin Harris):
There will be no TNT drivers. NVidia will not give out their chip documentation.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 22 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 13-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In the G-REX announcement they already said that this PCI card will
work in the NG BlizzardPPC card, too.
So I guess there will be an announcement about DCE's G3/G4 PPC cards
soon.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 23 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by nick on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Thomas Frieden):
It's not that nVidia won't...more like they can't. A lot of code in their drivers is licensed, so they aren't allowed to open them up.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 24 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Vader on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I think that Hyperion and other software firms are not very happy with
the announcement. G-Rex shorten the selection of available GFx cards
to only PPC stuff. It means less copies sold (which already kills Amiga
market). I don't know who is so stupid to make such foolish agreement. We
all should boycott DCE-VGR.
And regarding Amiga+Linux against M$ (about 20 comments above :-) ). This
is quite different when two firms doing something for different platform
makes deal "against" other. Here is the example of agreement of two Amiga
firms against other Amiga firm!!! It seems for me that DCE-VGR think only
about the money - they do everythink to sweep out all other to be the only
making the money on particular kind of stuff. Elbox is trying to think
about us.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 25 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Exbox is planning to update more Amiga Models including
A3000T's and A4000T's. DCE are not planning to do the same
but claim they will consider them based on sales of the two
models they make. It's bullsh*t that they have gotten the
exclusive rights to use those drivers. It is move of utter
cotempt of the current Amiga community and as an A3000T
user, since they are not planning cards for my machine
I say screw them. This is an example of playing dirty
pool, and I hope it bites them in the ass. I won't be
buying anything from them, regadless I probably never
would be able to anyway, or have to wait years for cards
for my A3000T's.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 26 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Exbox is planning to update more Amiga Models including
A3000T's and A4000T's. DCE are not planning to do the same
but claim they will consider them based on sales of the two
models they make. It's bullsh*t that they have gotten the
exclusive rights to use those drivers. It is move of utter
cotempt of the current Amiga community and as an A3000T
user, since they are not planning cards for my machine
I say screw them. This is an example of playing dirty
pool, and I hope it bites them in the ass. I won't be
buying anything from them, regadless I probably never
would be able to anyway, or have to wait years for cards
for my A3000T's.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 27 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
DCE say this PCI card has been working for to years in some ones
Amiga. so why has it taken them so lone to bring it out for the rest
of us. i think they were never going to bring it out & that seeing the
excitment for the Mediator has made them rethink & now that the
Mediator is out right now they will not be able to catch up
so like eyeteck with there Prediator they slag the Mediator to slow
the sales of that board down. to leave more sales for them.
the other 2 PCI boards means i have to get an old PPC with 60 already
on it which is a waste as i already have 1 & cant get a PPC with
060 socket anymore.
i have not read this through put up with my mistakes :)
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 28 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Despite the fact that I originaly planned to use a Voodoo3 card with
one of those PCI-bridges I will now buy a Mediator for sure. S3 will
do for the next weeks and I am sure there _will_ be some kind of a
V3 driver for the Mediator "anytime soon" (and I got a master
degree in "Waiting for AmiStuff":).
DCE this was a bad move!
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 29 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (nick):
Maybe they could reveal only the registers of their chips, at least.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 30 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Electric Head on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I'd love to hear elbox's comments on this! ;)
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 31 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Why are people being so bitter towards DCE and VFD?It makes perfect
sense that DCE `employed` somebody to write drivers for the
G-REX.3DFX,NVidia,Matrox,ATI etc...all had to employ somebody to
write drivers for their products,so why should DCE be any
different.Would it have made a difference if Frank Mariak had
announced that DCE had offered him a job?It sounds as though the
people that are bitter are the ones that either own a Mediator or
are planning on buying one.Mabey you should esk Elbox why the
drivers weren`t ready for release.And why they haven`t employed
somebody to write them so far.As far as I can see it DCE`s
announcment makes perfect sense.
Do you think that 3DFX would pay somebody to write drivers for their
gfx cards,then give these out for free.....???
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 32 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I don't have a Tower Amiga, but because of this f***** up deal I just *have* to buy a Mediator. Just a shame I can only get 2nd hand accelerators now that I'm supposed to boycott DCE &:-(
Bill Gates is rich but his way of business is still not right.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 33 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Habkirk on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I do not have a Phase5/DCE CyberStTorm, and will not purcgase one for 1,000 Canadian dollars
so I can add a PCI bus. I may have to switch to Piccasso. I have paid for the CGFX4 Upgrade
and think it is far superior to the compatition but (if CGFX will not come out with the driver
maybe we can get a driver for lets say a Radeon card or GEOForce 256 card from
some where else) the fact is in the WinTel world there are very many choices and
the Vodoo 3 is not the best actually it is far from it. If we are lucky matbe we can take advantage of
better cards than Vodoo 3.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 34 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alan Watson):
You aren't quite right: The reason why people are angry is that
the Voodoo3 drivers for Mediator have been cancelled, not that DCE
have hired VFD to write drivers for the G-Rex.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 35 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Luca on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
The list of Amiga Classic developers is so small already that we really don't need this type of monopolistic behavior. If the news is true I hope Amiga Inc. will drop DCE from their list of supported developers.
Luca
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 36 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Luca on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
The list of Amiga Classic developers is so small already that we really don't need this type of monopolistic behavior. If the news is true I hope Amiga Inc. will drop DCE from their list of supported developers.
Luca
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 37 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
if DCE did not step in then the Voodoo drivers would still be on the
cards for the mediator. if i was making something for free then some 1
step in & offers money for something that was going to be free there
is only 1 reason to stop it going somewere else.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 38 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Alan Watson):
>>Do you think that 3DFX would pay somebody to write drivers for their
gfx cards,then give these out for free.....???
<<
But that's not the case of what has happened here. The driver support was going into CGX to support Voodoo under Mediator (and I presume any PCI bus would have worked or could have been made to work with it). DCE just paid them to make it exclusive to thier product. That is VERY different, and very wrong. Anyone who purchases CGX should have the Voodoo drivers to use, regardless of who manufactures their PCI busboard. And to answer your question, yes. They are called reference drivers and chip manufacturers do it all the time. Then the companies producing a product that uses that chipset can tweak it to their hardware implimentation.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 39 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Don't worry for the Mediator. It's a cool product and not only for GFX board (TV, NIC boards, sound etc ...)
Elbox will find a solution for Voodoo3 drivers.
Maybe the P96 team ?
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 40 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 14-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Alcemyst):
>>if DCE did not step in then the Voodoo drivers would still be on the
cards for the mediator. if i was making something for free then some 1
step in & offers money for something that was going to be free there
is only 1 reason to stop it going somewere else. <<
Yeah, but CGX 4 is not free. You have to purchase it. And if you purchase it, you get the Voodoo driver upgrade for "free". More like a free update to the software wasn't it? But I'm sure everyone would have been more than happy to pay a few extra bucks for a Voodoo enabled CGX 4 upgrade, than to have DCE step in and make it work only on their hardware. That's my thoughts anyway.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 41 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Sorry,my mistake:)
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 42 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Tony Gore):
Sorry,my mistake again:)
The ball`s now in Elbox`s court then.Hopefully they`ll come up with
a solution soon....
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 43 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Bowman on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Alan Watson):
Yeah,
It looks like they have no choice now but anyway who cares about Voodoo anyhow as there are many other chipsets that are superior. All I might add are better than anyhting you can get currently for the Amiga.
Any NVIDA is probably out but maybe not but there is always Matrox and ATI all of which pump out a great bunch of cards. All of these are available under Linux so driver source must be available (not NVIDA).
So It's not the end of the world, there is plenty of alternatives out there it's just up to ELBOX to pursue something else. 3Dfx has been off the pace for sometime now anyhow...
It's unfortunate the way this went down but business is tough and DCE just out-manouvered Elbox and it's up to them to see how they recover. I'm sure they are working on alternatives now.
It seems like the mediator has been mostly well recived by the community so it's unlikely they are just going to give up and close up shop.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 44 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Francisco on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
uhhh!!
that all we need is a standar PCI api for the amiga, so a one unique driver (cybergraphics,p96,rainbow,etc) work on all pci busboard.the manofacturers only have to program the implementation of the api for their card.why duplicating or triplicating or cutriplicating efforts for make a driver for a certain card for each one of pci busboars.it´s stupid.
this method of no cooperation makes that not only the market split but atract newer user are more difficult.if DCE and ELBOX will cooperate(in soft aspect) then all, the users and they will winning.
OR MAYBE AMIGA INC WILL IMPONING THE STANDAR FOR THE API´S AND RETARGETABLE SOFT FOR GRAPHICS, SOUND, PPC, ETC FOR AMIGA CLASSICS AND PUT ORDER IN THIS ASPECT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for my bad english!!
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 45 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I really regret my purchase of CGFX 4. This surely NOT the way to go....
CGFX3 was financed by P5 and therefore they had the right to make it system exclusive (but they did not). But with CGFX 4 it's a different story. It's a commercial product, we paid for it, so we have the right to get voodoo3 drivers for all cards and not just one.
But only a 2D driver is useless for 3D games.
Warp3D team: Please end this b*llshit and only write drivers for the cgfx4 voodoo3 drivers if the cgfx team releases 2D drivers for all PCI cards. I don't care about a boycot of cgfx3 3D drivers, because there's nothing wrong with it.
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 46 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Karlsen on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
It's really sad to see companies like DCE doing something like this. Is it
good business for them to make sure everyone who want to have a Voodoo3 in their Amiga *must* buy a complete system from DCE? A G-Rex and Cyberstorm is needed. So if I have a wonderful 060-Apollo and a Mediator I have to sell this stuff to buy DCE-products if I want a card developed by 3dfx?
This smells bad.
You have to pay for something you shouldn't have to pay for.
The Amiga market will once again see the rise of Picasso96 and we will once again see a war of what you should run and not. Linux is my choice for everything right now. This Amiga situation is out of control!
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 47 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by green cup on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Just a comment on the technical aspect. Maybe one can explain why the
Mediator should make trouble for the Voodoo3 ?
Well, AFAIK CGX (and P96) use direct access into VMem, so sure this
would afford some additional work to put into the drivers, but this can
be solved. So I think this argument is pretty worthless, unless one does
not want to think to hard...
#define SARCASM_ON
Beside, I think what the Amiga market needed most, is such a situation again.
#undef SARCASM_ON
BTW: well, sometimes one should tell a programmer to sit back a write stuff and don't talk to much...(up to you, what ever this means ;)
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 48 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Wow, over 70 comments. Can we beat the Alive Mediasoft thread some
time ago, you think?
Seriously, this is starting to take form as a fight rather than
debate. Amifan, although I agree with some of your viewpoints, I don't
think it is very honorable of you to flame Ralph Schmidt here,
especially as he is posting with his real name, while you are using
an alias. Racist statements like "Sorry, are you from eastern
Germany???????" doesn't help strengthen your credibility either. Oh,
and although most people probably share your dislike of the deal
between VFD and DCE, you do NOT represent the entire Amiga userbase,
as you sometimes try to make it seem.
Ralph, I don't think anybody here quesions the fact that the deal in
discussion is legal, but that is not the point here. The point is that
the Mediator Voodoo 3 has been robbed of the possibility for CGX
support, which is, and I'm getting tired of repeating myself, the
unofficial standard for graphics card drivers for the Amiga. VFD are
not legally bound by this, but I, and probably many others, had
expected VFD to act more in the Amiga community's interest. I know
that buying CGX4 didn't give me a right to get free drivers for the
rest of my lifetime, but I expected a commercial driver system not to
be tied to certain hardware manufacturers. Don't you think this is a
fair assumption?
No flames please, if I am wrong about something, simply correct me.
Thanks.
Kay
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 49 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Arrgghh, wrong thread...sorry, I'll move it...
No CGFX Voodoo3 driver for the Mediator : Comment 50 of 111ANN.lu
Posted by PaulT on 15-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Hey all,
1) This is an important press release concerning a signficant development for the Amiga market. It's relatively clearly worded, despite the writer's obvious commercial spin on "well, our product was better than theirs, anyway, so nyah nyah easier to write for our interface....". So why is it graded at less than 2.5 average as of now? Because a bunch of people thought it was bad news for them. That isn't what the scoring system is about, it's grading the importance, relevance, and quality of the news, not whether you LIKED it.
2) IMHO I don't like the tone of the announcement. It's fully legitimate business practice in some ways, however it smacks of Microsoft's actual unfair competitiveness clauses that THEY WERE FOUND GUILTY OF. For instance, telling a vendor that they only get a good price if they make it impossible to purchase a machine without MSDOS/Windows. I will definitely consider this bad taste when considering a purchase. And I already own a CV643d and CGFX.
3) Which brings up a third point. It takes two to make a transaction. The CGFX agreement, if I understand it correctly, is to only produce Voodoo drivers for this late-to-market competitor to Mediator. Who agreed to that? The second party ACCEPTED that they would limit their own market for driver customers in return for accepting this presumably lucrative extra payment. Two are to blame for this agreement. I personally would prefer that the market should get opened, and possibilities maximized. My living does not depend on it though and obviously someone (or two) was scared enough to limit the competition by writing an exclusive agreement. Why bother to produce the best product when you can pay someone off?
PaulT reply here, it's more fun!
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