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[News] Interview with Frank MariakANN.lu
Posted on 18-Oct-2000 12:22 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä39 comments
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Here's amiga-news.de's interview with Frank Mariak, the author of CyberGFX, which touches the controversy with the Mediator Voodoo3 drivers. Amigart have an english translation again.

Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 1 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by PaulT on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Unfortunately the translation engine was unable to handle the idiom even as well as the Elbox release that this responds to. So it's quite difficult for me to tell from the translation exactly what Mr. Mariak said that he promised. It does seem that the situation argues for written contracts for such things, unfortunately. :{ (Just a note - if you give a document with complex terms to a translation engine, remember to separate hyphenated terms so that it can address them separately!)
He does apparently say that he didn't promise what Elbox is saying that he promised. He does not state why he didn't tell Elbox that he was working with a competitor of theirs. He does not respond to the allegation of sharing of confidential information. He does seem to say that it's possible that others could write drivers. Why are there lawyers? This is a prime example of why.
I can only hope that I will have to choose between an AmiJoe, a Shark, and whatever condenses out of the DCE vapor. Of course, an AmigaOne would also be nice :) More choices can only make a healthier market.
PaulT ........ respond here, it's appropriate!
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 2 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Frank Mariak on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (PaulT):
I agree that the translation is really worse but I'm not planning to do an english version of the interview for Amiga-News.de, yet. I don't need to respond to the press announcement of ELBOX, either. I hope they are as enthusiastic about developing software as they are about writing press announcements. Why does ELBOX not release the PCI driver developer documentation ? Anyone can feel free to provide a driver for a PCI device, it's not just me that >can< (it looks to me like it has to be "has to" sometimes) provide graphics drivers. At least I won't attach any Mediator documentation to my "press" notes like they did with my software.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 3 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frank Mariak):
/************
I agree that the translation is really worse but I'm not planning to do an english version of the interview for Amiga-News.de, yet. I don't need to respond to the press announcement of ELBOX, either.
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You might not NEED to do it, but NOT doing it, especially in the current context, speaks volumes. Perhaps your lawyer adivised you not to?
/*******************************
I hope they are as enthusiastic about developing software as they are about writing press announcements.
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Nice troll.
/******************************
Why does ELBOX not release the PCI driver developer documentation ? Anyone can feel free to provide a driver for a PCI device, it's not just me that >can< (it looks to me like it has to be "has to" sometimes) provide graphics drivers.
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I'd like to see the PCI driver developer documentation myself.
On the other hand, it appears to everyone that YOU DID AGREE TO PROVIDE GRAPHICS DRIVERS! Perhaps if you'd take the time to present your side in this, your statement that someone else can write it will have more merit. Also, does this mean that someone else can write CGX 4 drivers? I didn't know the dev info for CGX 4 was open.
/*************************************
At least I won't attach any Mediator documentation to my "press" notes like they did with my software.
**************************************/
Well, you might as well. That way, we'd have a better idea if the FUD that has been spread as coming from you (ie, Mediator is hard to develop for, won't work, etc etc.) is really true.
(Just as a note, MY Mediator does seem to work :)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 4 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Bowman on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frank Mariak):
>>Why does ELBOX not release the PCI driver developer documentation ? Anyone >>can feel free to provide a driver for a PCI device, it's not just me that >can< (it looks to me like it has to be "has to" sometimes) provide graphics >>drivers
Yes...
I would think that someone/anyone with enough time and the appropriate documentation could whip these up with enough time at their disposal. SAome sort of open standard would sem to be the go definately... They would certainly sell many more mediators if you could get drivers for a wider range of things. Surely there are a lot of Ami users that do want to run SBLive! cards, Video capture boards, modems, 100Mbs NIcs etc. Without the mediator specs and doc this would seem to be pretty much impossible.
So open it up I say and then once people can actually use the above stuff we'll all find out if the mediator is a good solution or not.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 5 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frank Mariak):
>Why does ELBOX not release the PCI driver developer documentation ? Anyone can feel free to provide a driver for a PCI device, it's not just me that >can< (it looks to me like it has to be "has to" sometimes) provide ***graphics drivers***.
This would also require to make the CGX development material publicly accessible... Or maybe you want P96 to be used for it? Too bad that's also not open (yet).
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 6 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Petra on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Now also a english version is online:
<a href="http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv/001018e.shtml">http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv/001018e.shtml</a>
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 7 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 17-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frank Mariak):
OK Frank, admit it. Elbox sent you a nice A1200 tower and all you used it for was playing "Alien Breed - Tower Assault". :)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 8 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Frank Mariak):
It sounds to me that we don't have to expect any mediator PCI driver from Frank anymore.
<sarcasm>
Great job DCE/Ralph Schmidt!!
Heil to you!
</sarcasm>
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 9 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Last time I heard, NIC drivers are available, sound card drivers are almost
ready and so are the drivers for TV cards.
Someone from Elbox should confirm this ASAP.
I agree with Frank about the fact that Elbox should not prioritise too much on
the Voodoo3 drivers, at least not on the expence of other drivers.
Hey boys (VGR & DCE & Elbox & Eyetech), make peace!
You are having a war which benefits no one.
Compromise suggestion:
Frank & DCE announces that their agreement does not deny CGX support for Mediator/Raptor, etc...
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 10 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
btw: Have you seen the G-REX prototype yet?
http://www.vgr.com/cybergfx/
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 11 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I showed the disclamer of the voodoo3 driver.
<snap>
"Known limitation/problems:
- limited to 8mb/most likely always will be"
<snap>
(You can fit a 2000x2000x16bit screen in 7.6 MB so what)
Then he said that this limitation could be overcome when you only use 1 CPU.
In other words when 1 CPU access it at the same time.
I don't know how Warp3D works, but could it be possible to use the additional memory for PPC or 68K 3D only.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 12 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amifan):
Confused ?
Frank decides what he wants to do...not I.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 13 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
At the moment it seems to me that _we_, the users, are the ones
fighting a war. We should stop that. I do not like the things that
happened, either. And I for one probably will not buy a G-REX. Yet
things like "Boycott DCE and Frank M." won't do nothing good
to any of us. We shall not forget that all of the involved parties
have done a great job supporting the Amiga in the past and I do not
want to miss either Frank Mariak's (and Ralph's) or DCE's support
in the future!
And I assume some of the involved parties secretly regret their decisions...
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 14 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by antifascist on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amifan):
"AMIFAN" you lubber, do you really know what the name "HEIL" means??? :(((((
Somebody can misinterpret your posting. This is NOT sarcastic.:((((
You should better close your mouth before somebody is kicking your ass.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 15 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amifan):
Amifan wrote:
> <sarcasm>
> Great job DCE/Ralph Schmidt!!
> Heil to you!
> </sarcasm>
This is not sarcasm, but total stupidity. If you don`t know what Bullshit you write
you better shut up! Noone with a minimum of intelligence would call this "Sarcasm" or
even write such lines. :-(((
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 16 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ralph):
I did not like this comment either and consider it stupid.
Nevertheless it _is_ sarcastic. Sarcasm is a very specific kind of
humour and humour should not have any limits. At least this is the
way I live and like it. :-)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 17 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ralph):
I don't want to start a complete discussion here about he world heil.
But let's see what our translations books say about it.
Ski Heil-greeting ued by skiers
Heil-Victory (for the german ppl)
It's a normal geman word still used today.
I did not says th S*** heil words what this antifasims boy thought. This is indeed linked to this madmad who captured OUR country.
I used a german word in order to be sarcastic.
But if you like the whole english sentence i'll translate it for you:
"
Victory to them!
"
>"AMIFAN" you lubber, do you really know what the name "HEIL" means??? :(((((
>Somebody can misinterpret your posting. This is NOT sarcastic.:((((
>You should better close your mouth before somebody is kicking your ass.
Why don't YOU search fo the meaning of the word s*cker before you start shouting at me like i'm a nazi.
You words reminds me of som guy called Terry Cooksey
And for you Ralph. finally somthing to shout at?
Fact remains...th only stupid thing that happens what the DCE deal, probably pushed at your advise
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 18 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Oliver Esberger on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
That's not a sarcastic remark, it's just plain stupid. A sarcastic
comment may be exaggerated (and on the border to a _slight_ insult),
but it has always a true reference to the issue. Simply insulting
people without keeping the topic in mind is not sarcastic. Obviously
this is how Amifan's mind works: DCE/Schmidt/MariakGerman, Germany
= Third Reich, therefore DCE/Schmidt/Mariakfascists. Now go and
spot the two misassumptions... Obviously he does not even know what
would happen to him if he would use this word publically in Germany
(please try it!)
There is no need to argue about that, I know my stylistic devices :-)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 19 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Amifan):
you didn't say Schi Heil (which is not very common anyway, just in
Bavaria/Austria), you just said Heil which DOES mean S*** Heil (ask
every German/Austrian you meet). Apart from that I am not convinced
there is a connection between skiing and DCE/Mr Schmidt...
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 20 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Amifan):
The "Ralph" identiy is not mine...besides one time i forgot a "Schmidt"
in a different threat.
From making up nazi references, spreading crap like that "Heil is
a normal german word", asking me if i`m coming from east germany to
build up some neo nazi association and now to the "it`s probably my advice"
you came a long way.
I`m glad that the other people i know from .nl and .pl don`t have
such kind of personality as you.
The only one you you`re hurting is yourself but you don`t notice that
anyway.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 21 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Amifan):
Heil does not mean "victory", it means "hail". Victory is "Sieg" in
german... so much for looking up words ;-)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 22 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Hey, hey people grow up !! We should stick together now to find a working solution here, not arguing about silly words etc... Probably Amifan didn't know the true meaning of the word in today (dictionaries come in many forms and many of them are simply outdated or just misprinted). I just
don't see why everyone has to continue to argue about that, now when we have alot bigger issue in our hands. We should be open community and it does not mean we should yell all our bad thoughts to each other without really using common sense. I just hope all three companies here would adopt the idea
of open, honest, friendly way to deal with this PCI-issue. It would benefit everyone and most of all, the Amiga community (which is not that big anymore). As much as you want to continue arguing, think a few minutes and just decide not to. And try to build a constructive conversation with compromises that would be good for all. Thank you.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 23 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ralph Schmidt):
My apologies to all persons who feel insulted by the word I used.
I searched for a german word which would sound very srcastic.
My dictionary says (duits-nederlands door I. van Gelderen, 13 druk, uitgever: J.B.Wolters, Groningen:
HEIL (I) heil,zaligheid,geluk,redding; sein heil versuchen, zijn geluk beproeven.
HEIL (II) victory (voor het duitse volk)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 24 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Carlos on 18-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amifan):
Hey, AmiFUN, ever considered VooDoo doll of Ralph or Frank?
They don't need any drivers
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 25 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Warlock on 19-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Oh come on... "heil" is not a bad word... look it up in the dictionary.
And the context one can assume it has is clearly up to each person.
And mind you, my country was occupied by nazi fascist pigs but I am not
getting hysterical because somebody used the word "heil"... oh please
guys grow up.
Being too much "politically correct" (hah hyporcisy at its maximum)
makes people act in a sense like nazis ie "don't use this word" just like
nazis would say "don't read that book" (and then burn it).
So there you are...
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 26 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 19-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
This conversation seems really dull, and I think the lot of you are bored outta your minds. How about some creative ideas like back in the old days hugh? Give Amiga Inc, and Elbox and what not something to ponder...
...Where hast the Amiga spirit gone, you guys don't sound like the people who got me adicted to all this, where did they all go?!?!??!?!??!?!??! :(
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 27 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 19-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (XDelusion):
The most creative people left the amiga market 5-8 years ago.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 28 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 19-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ralph Schmidt):
I think creativity left computer world 5-8 years ago....
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 29 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Warlock on 19-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sinan Gurkan):
I couldn't agree more with you Sinan...
Linux is something, but not enough...
<sigh>those ol' Z80 days</sigh>
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 30 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 19-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ralph Schmidt):
"The most creative people left the amiga market 5-8 years ago."
Someone could take that as an insult.
Luckily there still is talented people in the Amiga community, like Elbox people, DCE people, Paul Burkey, Hyperion people, H&P, Mick Tinker, Paul Nolan, Dean Brown, Frank Mariak, yourself, etc...
Then there also is some less active "members", like David Haynie, Carl S., etc...
And let's not forget the rest of the Amiga Inc people!!!
-bbuilder ((still)proud of being a member of the Amiga community)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 31 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Hi All,
I was speaking to Bill McEwan at the ACE 2K show and I asked him what he thought about DCE, I dont want to repeat it here, but it was not good at all, I guess the same way I feel about them, nothing but theifs that shouldn't be in the amiga market at all. Thank god they will never be an amiga inc. partner, re-seller or distributor.
I think developers/people/other companies should really check the relationship between DCE and Amiga Inc.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 32 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 20-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
I thik you should enlighten us more. Personally I don't think Bill is even
qualified to talk about old Amiga....as distinct from their thing.
Steve
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 33 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Warlock):
So there are really some people out there realizing this..
Cool. In germany you can see this "being too politically correct"
everyday everywhere. Sometimes this is really frustrating...
One the other hand one there is one hell of a reason for germany
to have such a complex...
Gosh I guess this is going too far now :-)
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 34 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
just a small tip, I wouldn't invest any money into DCE products, as AmigaONE will not support it, neither will OS3.9
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 35 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Anonymous wrote:
: just a small tip, I wouldn't invest any money into DCE products, as
: AmigaONE will not support it, neither will OS3.9
How come? Is there some EVIL company trying to MONOPOLIZE the
amiga market by signing an EXCLUSIVE license?
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 36 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Warlock on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Yes, but one could claim the same for many other that have oppressed other nations.
It's just that the WW2/Nazi thing is just too recent and has had a lot more publicity
than others. Other wars, although not that big, have been a lot more violent and some
that are still going on are equally brutal (check out Chechnya for instance
(no flames please) ) but they do not get enough publicity.
Anyhow political correctness is IMHO dictatorship with a "humanitarian/civilized" mask.
Just my two cents...
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 37 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by sjoerd on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
.I was speaking to Bill McEwan at the ACE 2K show and I asked him what
.he thought about DCE, I dont want to repeat it here, but it was not good at
.all, I guess the same way I feel about them, nothing but theifs that shouldn't
.be in the amiga market at all. Thank god they will never be an amiga inc.
.partner, re-seller or distributor.
Well lets speak about Bill he is the one who is shutting down Amiga in Germany by 31 december 2000.!!!!!!
And DCE is the yet the only Amiga Hardware Company who is paying Royalties to Software developers. The pay to Ralph for every ppc board Which even pahse5 diddn't do! and now the pay Vision Factory and VMC for developing drivers for the G-rex.
SO MISTER BILL MCWEN look for thr harm you have done to the classic Amiga yet! And now try to save it by contacting Eyetech. And the have hope that Martin Schuler gets the board done. Which he diddn't have don yet for his G3 zorro board. And when you look to his page escena.com 'this page is for sale' So he was lying to the Amiga world for over 3 years.
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 38 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by sjoerd on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
.just a small tip, I wouldn't invest any money into DCE products, as AmigaONE will not support it, neither will OS3.9
Just what kind of person are you. If Amiga will not support this there can be any AmigaOne for the A1200 A4000. The relay on there baords.
You are realy speaking out of your.........
Interview with Frank Mariak : Comment 39 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (sjoerd):
Well.. it's not fair to blame McEwen for something some anonymous
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