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[News] Amiga announces the AmigaOneANN.lu
Posted on 21-Oct-2000 14:22 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä119 comments
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Amiga have just released this press release about the AmigaOne hardware spec. Eyetech will build the first actual boxes, which are Classic Amiga/AmigaOne hybrids (both A1200 and A4000-based models will be available) and will be based on PPC. They are scheduled for a Q1 2001 release. First stand-alone AmigaOnes should ship in Q3 2001. Also, the development of the Classic AmigaOS will continue with v3.9 coming out before Christmas.
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Posted by Nils Mokleiv on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I'm really happy to hear about the option for classic users, as I just invested a lot of money in an A1200-PowerTower-PPC240mhz-060/50.
To all you people complaining about the "NEW" AmigaOne computer not going to be released until Q3 01, you have to remember that you can always buy a PC with the specs released by Amiga Inc. and run the New AmigaDE on that.
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Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mathew):
You have at least 3 options.
1 - keep your classic as it is and enjoy it
2 - buy the Eyetech AmigaOne PPC 1200 - it is no "add on" board but a full AmigaOne computer with the A1200 attached to it, to provide classic compatability where needed
3 - buy a stand alone AmigaOne PPC and network it to your classic
as for reading classic floppies - that is a problem crying out for a third party USB solution.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 53 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Tony Gore):
At present, the only ppl who have completed negotiations with us are Eyetech,
so I cannot answer relating to other products. However, if other companies want the AmigaDE eased onto their products, they need to work with us to do it and go through certification as well.
Currently, the Eyetech solution is the only transitional solution that will run the DE natively, and it comes with its own card based PPC accelerator. Others *may* run it via Linux, but that is not optimal.
There will be a new website going up with a big faq area soon to answer these questions (assuming you ask them - frequently ;-))
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Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
As it says in the PR, Eyetech see the biggest markets
initially for 1200 and 4000. If you want a 3000 version,
email them, not us 8-)
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Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Amiga Inc is not the one source supplier that Commodore was, and ppl should be glad of that, because it makes for a much safer, and far more competitive future. We do specifications and prototypes so others can take risk, identify niches and make money.
If there are enough A3000 and A3000T owners out there who want a solution, then contact Eyetech, or Elbox or DCE or any other company and ask them to supply it.
As for the POP board, your information is very different to mine.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 56 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Chris Moore):
Couldn't agree moore...
I don't want more "hacks" for my 1200.
Problem is also that I can't get parts when it needs to get repaired, I have 2 A-1200 mobo's laying around just for parts. it just seems crazy to build new system up around this old tech...
And the "real" AmigaONE coming as late as Q3 2001, someone must have great problems to get HW companies interested (not talking about companies at eyetechs size!)
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 57 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Chris Moore):
If you reread the Press Release it does say that we
are also in negotiation with other companies about
other processor options.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 58 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amifan):
The Eyetech solution comes with its own processor card.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 59 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Moore on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (fleecy):
I guess this is all a bit premature if there's an announcement soon
for an x86 based AmigaOne...
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Posted by Carl Mohlin on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Fleecy: What hardware will 3.9 require, and will this upgrade be free for us OS 3.5-owners?
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 61 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Carl Mohlin):
It won't be free and you can run it on the same Amiga systems that can run OS 3.5 so you need at least 3.1 Roms and a 68020.
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Posted by Mart on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Could it be that when we've bought the 'predator like' AmigaOne expansion for classic Amiga's, to trow away the classic when its nolonger needed and run the board on its own ?
Correct me please if i'm wrong.....
Mart
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Posted by Don Cox on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (XDelusion):
Latest info from the 3.5 list is that OS3.9 will be charged for as
there are large extras and they have to pay the programmers.
There may still be a BB2 containing just bug fixes, not finally
decided yet.
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Posted by Johnny on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Wow!
What exciting news--OS3.9!
Now, the real question is whether is it possible to run it on
a 68k CPU Amiga, and not just on a AmigaOnePPC1200 system...
As long as OS3.9 will work on my trusty old A1200T, 030/50@32MB
with OS3.5, I won't mind paying $30-40 for it.
On a slightly different note--could OS3.9 have been the reason for
the big delay of BB2? Speculations, speculations.
Does anybody have any news on OS3.9 and what the features might
be? I want to know more :) Maybe MagicMenu is included? Let's
hope for the best...
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Posted by David Myers on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (XDelusion):
In regards to the price of 3.9, I was present at Bill's speech last night, and he indicated that the price of 3.9 will be about US$49. He also said that it may be a bit lower than that if they can cut some costs.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 66 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (fleecy):
Fleecy wrote:
> 2 - buy the Eyetech AmigaOne PPC 1200 - it is no "add on" board
> but a full AmigaOne computer with the A1200 attached to it, to
> provide classic compatability where needed
Fleecy, could you please elaborate on this? Do you mean the
AmigaOnePPC1200 could be sold as a complete computer (with
case and everything) and we'd just have to stick an A1200
inside it?
And if so, is the A1200 still needed if we just want to use it
as an AmigaDE-only machine?
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 67 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Nils Mokleiv on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (fleecy):
Fleecy: So you are saying that the DE won't run on my PC if I have the right hardware? What kind of bullshit is that? I can't afford to buy a completely new computer for the DE, and I was under the impression that the DE could run on allmost any hardware out there, so I could just buy a kickass PC and install it.
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Posted by Alcemyst on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
i would of liked it to of been AmigaOne BoXeR
to get us going until the ATX AmigaOne Standalone turns up
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 69 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Yes, I admit it I have a A4000T. Many would insist I shouldn't, telling me I should have an A1200 instead (oh boy). But I have expanded to the max (really !) and I am happy with it. Of course I would like G3 and PCI, but I wouldn't like to loose my Zorros or hack 500UKP extra in a fully expanded machine that already includes a PPC.
So A1200 in a tower seems a good start. Even better would be a/the ATX format. Unless of course the new solution goes simply to the CPU slot. Moreover I believe other companies besides Eyetech will enter the "AmigaOne" stream soon.
The question is where do I find A4000/A1200 and tower approved for AmigaOne compatibility. I hope Eyetech will produce standalone versions of AmigaOne from the beginning (with or without Zorro slots).
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Posted by Tony Gore on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Hey! How about that...3.9 has sneeked up on us and we didn't even know it was coming...(I didn't anyway) Hey, any Voodoo drivers in 0S3.9??? At any rate it will make a nice stockin-stuffer for me. :)
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Posted by sutro on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Anyway these are good news. Better than I expected (PPC rules). Not just the hardware specifications. Well, we have dreamed of a PPC based ATX board (Boxer) or a G3+PCI accelerator (AmiJoe) for years. We were already one step from these (Mediator-Shark,Predator,G-Rex).
The real good news is the AmigaOS 3.9 (or is it 3.6 ?) and 4.0. Does Anyone have more information about these products ? Who works on it ? Haage-Partner have been silent on the future of WarpOS for some time. Is this the official kernel once again ? What about MorphOS ? How the classic emulation is going to be implemented ? ...
P.S. "Dual boot" doesn't strike me well for some reason.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 72 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Andy H on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (fleecy):
Fleecy:
People are just annoyed by such a weak anouncement.
You must admit that you've been fueling a small frenzy over the "AmigaOne", dorpping little hints here,
little hints there. People were expecting so much more than just an add on for A1200s
It is really difficult for me to believe that you are actaully progressing anywhere, when
you have said that you are working with all these exciting partners, when they just turn out to be Eyetech!
The specs themselves aren't anything special (and have no need to be given a name), are you trying to
tell me that Dean brown has spent months comming up with a basic list that any sales assistant at
PC World could tell you?
This coupled with the recent poor excuse for a world beating software list, has made me totally lose faith
in the company. You've been going on for months about major firms and developers who have been impressed
by the DE. So where are they? They're NOT producing hardware, they're not producing any new software.
Another thing. For an environment that is supposed to be at home online where on earth is the browser?
I have spent the last 10 months really supporting the Amiga cause, and telling evryone I know about it.
I even had be working on designs for certain peices of software for the new system. But I'm
beginning to feel that Amiga Inc will not pull it off.
By all means prove me wrong, I'd love for you to succeed. But I can't go by blind faith forever.
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Posted by Bill Toner on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (David Myers):
I'm extremely interested in OS3.9 and the bolt-on AmigaOne "upgrades". But can
anyone say if these bolt-on upgrades will still run AmigaOS3.5/3.9 "classic"
natively with PPC WarpUP support and all that, or will we absolutely be limited
to the new DE on the upgrade setups and then emulate "classic" stuff via the
AmigaOS 4.0 inside the DE? What I'd really like to see is the ability to run
either classic AmigaOS natively or the DE natively, and able to switch between them
at boot time. Just curious if this upgrade could also be used as a classic
Amiga PPC accelerator as well as for native DE stuff.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 74 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Roberto C. on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Ok.
It's really a good news.
I can wait til' Q3 2001 for the standalone AmigaOne.There's no problem.
I've just waited 6+ years.
But it has to be WONDERFUL and has to work PERFECTLY!
If it will be,I'll buy two machines,ok Amiga Inc.?
Make a good job.
Ciao
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 75 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by szutoman on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Roberto C.):
Count me in for two machines as well(-:
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 76 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
>Fleecy, could you please elaborate on this? Do you mean the
>AmigaOnePPC1200 could be sold as a complete computer (with
>case and everything) and we'd just have to stick an A1200
>inside it?
You would have to check with Eyetech for the definitive answer,
since it is their product, but that is the idea.
>And if so, is the A1200 still needed if we just want to use it
>as an AmigaDE-only machine?
Again, ask Eyetech.
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Posted by fleecy on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Andy H):
>Fleecy:
>People are just annoyed by such a weak anouncement.
Weak? It may be weak to the ppl who believe that we should have had
some technomonks working in the Himalayas for a few years developing the
AAAAAAAA chipset which embeds a quantum singularity in silicon to creat
better than life graphics and audio, but for ppl with at least one foot attached
to the earth, they would know that hardware takes time - even simple hardware.
PSX2 took three years to bring to market, Dreamcast almost four. PCs don't count because they are revisions of the same stuff.
The community needs to understand that we need a good, solid foundation on which to start building. Thousands of people have emailed us over the last year
telling us classic compatibility and PPC are what they want more than anything
else. This announcement gives them that.
>You must admit that you've been fueling a small frenzy over >the "AmigaOne", .dorpping little hints here,
>little hints there. People were expecting so much more than just an add on for >A1200s.
Add on? It's a full computer than can hold its head with the best of Apple's
latest line. How is that an add on? The A1200 is the add on to the AmigaOne.
>It is really difficult for me to believe that you are actaully progressing >anywhere, when
>you have said that you are working with all these exciting partners, when they >just turn out to be Eyetech!
I don't expect you to believe anything. Buy stuff when its on the shelf.
>The specs themselves aren't anything special (and have no need to be given a >name), are you trying to
>tell me that Dean brown has spent months comming up with a basic list that any >sales assistant at
>PC World could tell you?
Dean is working on multiple designs, including our next wave of devices. The
first wave is our first step. Seems many people don't understand that trips start with a first step.
>By all means prove me wrong, I'd love for you to succeed. But I can't go by >blind faith forever.
You shouldn't do anything blindly.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 78 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Andy H):
> The specs themselves aren't anything special (and have no need to be
> given a name), are you trying to tell me that Dean brown has spent
> months comming up with a basic list that any sales assistant at
> PC World could tell you?
I have to agree to that. I know that the new Amiga isn't about hardware, and I know that Amiga Inc isn't. But, nevertheless, you have spoken about the exciting new HW specs that would be the "Amiga One" for some time now.
In the latest "executive update", Bill said: "Because of this input we have begun negotiations for a brand new design. Most of the details have been worked out, and I hope to have the finished announcement ready by the middle of october. It is my firm belief that you will all be very pleased and excited."
And then you post the specs:
- One AmigaDE friendly host processor (PPC, x86, Arm, SH4, MIPS)
- 64MB+ memory
- Next Generation Matrox graphics card
- Creative EMU10K1 based audio card
- 10 GB+ HD
- CD/DVD
- USB 1.0
- Firewire
- 10/100 Mbps Ethernet
- 56k modem
- Spare PCI slots for expandibility
So, is this all? What's so "brand new" about a standard PC design? Is it the new Matrox card? Is it the "other" processors?
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Posted by Andy H on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (fleecy):
Weak? It may be weak to the ppl who believe that we should have had
some technomonks working in the Himalayas for a few years developing the
AAAAAAAA chipset which embeds a quantum singularity in silicon to creat
better than life graphics and audio, but for ppl with at least one foot attached
to the earth, they would know that hardware takes time - even simple hardware.
PSX2 took three years to bring to market, Dreamcast almost four. PCs don't count because they are revisions of the
same stuff.
I'd call announcing a set of products one of which (the
preditor PCI board) had been announced a few weeks ago weak. I
understand that hardware takes time to produce, but can't you see that
what is offered isn't groundbreaking? It's just a way of pleasing the
hardcore "Amigans", who will willingly pay through the nose for
soemthing like that beacuse it is strapped to a commodore board.
You must admit that you've been fueling a small frenzy over the "AmigaOne", .dorpping little hints here,
little hints there. People were expecting so much more than just an add on for A1200s.
Add on? It's a full computer than can hold its head with the best of
Apple's latest line. How is that an add on? The A1200 is the add on to
the AmigaOne.
I bet it will cost more than Apples latest line.
It is really difficult for me to believe that you are actaully progressing anywhere, when
you have said that you are working with all these exciting partners, when they just turn out to be Eyetech!
I don't expect you to believe anything. Buy stuff when its on the shelf.
By who is going to build it? Eyetech? They are a nice bunch of
people, and I buy from them a lot but at the end of a day, they won't
give you the kind of hardware clout needed to launch a new system.
Dean is working on multiple designs, including our next wave of devices. The
first wave is our first step. Seems many people don't understand that trips start with a first step.
Maybe, you just announced it prematurely, but as it stands now, the
ONLY option offered for AmigaOne is this Eyetech PPC solution, it's
all well and good saying that there are nagotiations for other
systems, but until they are done deals, there is no alternitive
You haven't answered my questions about other partners and the
problems with the (lack of decent) software list.
I have know doubt that you are leading a revolution in computing, but
a revolution won't get very far with only a few people.
Plaese excuse the poor formatting I've been having problems sending
this.
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Posted by Paul McCord on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I think that Fleecy is right. What can we work with other than "off the shelf" parts? I mean that I for one am fed up with spares and add-ons costing twice as much for my Amiga than my Girlfriend's PC, simply because I want to be different. The Mediator board goes some way to addressing this, and Amiga One will too.
Also. Fleecy is right to say "wait and see". Can you imagine if we were promised the world on a stick (Anyone remember the Ford Edsel?), only to discover that the end product is not so great after all.
We can only judge when we see the finished article. Mind you one thing about Fleecy's response that I am intrigued by was that the "A1200 is the add on to the Amiga One". Food for thought I guess. However, as Fleecy has pointed out, Amiga are no longer a hardware manufacturer, and the Amiga One proves this by being built by a third party. This means that the likes of Blittersoft, Elbox et al could jump on the bandwagon with competing products that hopefully offer more and drive prices down. Meanwhile Amiga can leave the work of building the hardware to others. Remember when Apple closed down Power Computing when thier Mac clones were judged to be superior?
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Posted by Trizt on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (fleecy):
>> You must admit that you've been fueling a small frenzy over >the "AmigaOne",
>> .dorpping little hints here, little hints there. People were expecting so
>> much more than just an add on for >A1200s.
> Add on? It's a full computer than can hold its head with the best of Apple's
> latest line. How is that an add on? The A1200 is the add on to the AmigaOne.
So you say that we don't need the A1200/4000 to get this board to work?
If we need the A1200/4000, then it's an add on.
I must say that I tought I would see a POP machine with maybe dual CPUs as the
AmigaOne, and with the list of partners, I can't think that you couldn't get
any help to see them produced and shiped with AmigaDE.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
People were complaining that the new amigas will be pcs when they
were announced.Now eyetech found a solution to have an AmigaONE based
on classic Amiga and people are complaining again... I think this
is stupid... I like the idea having a solution for existing Amigas.
AND for guys with A3000s, the whole thing will be based arround the
predator right?The predator will be plugged in CSPPC and BPPC, the
CSPPC can be fit in a 3000 too so you shouldn't worry that you will
be left out...
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Posted by Donovan Reeve on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Fleecy,
I know you are busy and I don't want to waste time which could be
used to further advance the new Amigas, but could you please answer
just a couple of questions that are very important to me?
First, a little background - I am a long-time Amiga user and own:
A-500 68000 with 3MB ram and no HD. This is of little use anymore.
A-3000 68030 with 6MB ram, 2GB HD and a burned-out power pack.
A-4000 with 18MB ram, 4GB HDs, fried power-pack, fried Zorro & sound.)
A-4000 with 18MB ram, 31GB HDs, fried Zorro Buss (I'm using it now)
CD-32 with SX32pro 68030/50, 18MB ram, 1.7GB HD. (works well, fortunately)
As you can see, I have no machines with operable Zorro slots [both
A-4000 zorro Buss's having been blown by a NEW Power Tower which
never worked and was evidently defective but I could get no help
from the dealer (Software Hut), the manufacturer (Power Computing),
nor the Buss OEM (Elbox)]. Thus, my several SCSI cards, several
graphics cards, CatWeasel, V-Lab, and Emplant Mac card are all dead.
And seeing as how my A-300 is dead too, all my SCSI periferals
(scanners, Magneto-Optical drives, CD-Writers, CD changer, Zip drive,
Bernouli drives, various hard drives, etc. are all dead too along
with most of my valuable stored data, files and software including
all CD-provided software such as Aminet, Amiga OS 3.5, games, etc.
All of my floppy drives have also died one by one, so I pass files
via null-modem connection. All I have left is IDE drives and ports.
I need to be able to use my files, software, data, and drives. I also
need a computer now as my last A-4000 is dying (crashes often now)
and the CD-32 is far to limited. No-one seems to repair Amigas
anymore unless one is willing to pay the price of a new PC to get
their old Amiga repaired, and then nothing is guaranteed.
OK, now for some strait-forward questions for which I hope you
can supply definitive answers:
(Condensed questions at very bottom of comments)
If I put together a nice wintel-type machine and run Linux on it
as my son is doing, and buy the Amiga DE, will I be able for
sure to run the Amiga DE and new Amiga software if the processor
is x86 type and the MoBo intel or intel compatible?
(I'm thinking ASUS K7V MB with Athlon/Thunderbird 800mhz CPU or
ASUS A7V MB with Athlon/Thunderbird 1000mhz CPU and a commonly
available SCSI card, 256MB 133mhz ram, CDW drive, DVD, etc. and
the latest Red Hat or Mandrake Linux (preferably Mandrake as the
interfacing is MUCH nicer).
With the above machine, could I also run old Amiga software
under emulation on the Amiga DE (when that is ready) or on a PCI
card as siamese (if such becomes available)?
In other words, are millions of PC windows and Linux users going
to actually be able to run the Amiga DE and new Amiga software (and
Amiga classic under emulation) on most any hardware they happen to
purchase which has the nessessary specs, or will it only be useable
on a select few pieces of equiptment?
I figure since all of my Zorro stuff is dead I might as well make
a clean break as soon as possible, but I want that break to be compatible
with the new Amiga DE.
Or do you know someplace which will reliably fix one of my A-4000
MBs for a reasonable price so I can consider the new EyeTech Amiga-One
A-4000 kits which would enable me to use all of my present hardware?
I need to do something soon, preferably now. I can't afford to wait
another year for the stand-alone Amiga-One as my present computer
situation is rapidly becoming untenable. I bet there are many others
in the Amiga community in a simular situation, and I know that many
have allready had to jump in the past because the work (and play ;)
must go on.
So, will a basic generic PC setup like I described above work with
the Amiga DE (to run on Linux initially and later native)?
Also, could a person with a PPC-based Mac with the necessary spec
run the Amiga DE native or under/over Linux or MacOS?
(this question from several Mac-owning friends intereste in Amiga DE)
AND... when is the native or stand-alone version of the Amiga DE
going to be available, lots of people are waiting for that over
a Linux or windoz based version.
Thanks for your kind patience and any answers you can give,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
And will the new Ami Operating system be available at that same
time or later yet (I'm talking NG Amiga OS, not Amiga OS3.9)
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 84 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Crickey, what a long message that was! I didn't actually see a point to it either. Most of the posts here are just negative. If Amiga had announced the most amazing system in the world, someone would have complained. The system that they have announced is not the definitive system you know, but it is a system. And a start. And it's a damn sight more than Gateway, Viscorp, Escom and the countless others that have owned Amiga have *ever* done. Stop bloody whinging.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Donovan Reeve):
>OK, now for some strait-forward questions for which I hope you
>can supply definitive answers:
>(Condensed questions at very bottom of comments)
>If I put together a nice wintel-type machine and run Linux on it
>as my son is doing, and buy the Amiga DE, will I be able for
>sure to run the Amiga DE and new Amiga software if the processor
>is x86 type and the MoBo intel or intel compatible?
>(I'm thinking ASUS K7V MB with Athlon/Thunderbird 800mhz CPU or
>ASUS A7V MB with Athlon/Thunderbird 1000mhz CPU and a commonly
>available SCSI card, 256MB 133mhz ram, CDW drive, DVD, etc. and
>the latest Red Hat or Mandrake Linux (preferably Mandrake as the
>interfacing is MUCH nicer).
We do not intend to get into the business of having 80 percent of our staff
writing bios patches and drivers for every combination of hardware out there. We
work with hardware companies, which means a much more restricted set of specs but allows us to tune the native DE to those specs. In addition, we will release a zico86 spec, specifying particular components, if someone wants to build a machine themselves. For cases where ppl want the DE running on some mongrel creation, then we offer hosted DE, using Linux and/or Windows as a driver base.
If you want the best performance, buy machines from our hardware partners.
>With the above machine, could I also run old Amiga software
>under emulation on the Amiga DE (when that is ready) or on a PCI
>card as siamese (if such becomes available)?
If they become available.
>In other words, are millions of PC windows and Linux users going
>to actually be able to run the Amiga DE and new Amiga software (and
>Amiga classic under emulation) on most any hardware they happen to
>purchase which has the nessessary specs, or will it only be useable
>on a select few pieces of equiptment?
Anyone with Windows or Linux should be able to run hosted DE. For the best
performance, you need a machine that matches supported native specs.
>I figure since all of my Zorro stuff is dead I might as well make
>a clean break as soon as possible, but I want that break to be compatible
>with the new Amiga DE.
>Or do you know someplace which will reliably fix one of my A-4000
>MBs for a reasonable price so I can consider the new EyeTech Amiga-One
>A-4000 kits which would enable me to use all of my present hardware?
>I need to do something soon, preferably now. I can't afford to wait
>another year for the stand-alone Amiga-One as my present computer
>situation is rapidly becoming untenable. I bet there are many others
>in the Amiga community in a simular situation, and I know that many
>have allready had to jump in the past because the work (and play ;)
>must go on.
Software Hut have always done a good job for me. There's also Joe
up at National Amiga.
>So, will a basic generic PC setup like I described above work with
>the Amiga DE (to run on Linux initially and later native)?
>Also, could a person with a PPC-based Mac with the necessary spec
>run the Amiga DE native or under/over Linux or MacOS?
>(this question from several Mac-owning friends intereste in Amiga DE)
>AND... when is the native or stand-alone version of the Amiga DE
>going to be available, lots of people are waiting for that over
>a Linux or windoz based version.
Macs - they always have that ROM issue, but if they can run Linux, they
can run DE at some point.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 86 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Andy H on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Rik Sweeney):
No they haven't in the hardware stakes. Gateway anounnced hardware (MMC) did they not? Escom
announced Hardware. Until more hardware is ACTUALLY produced, they haven't done anything more. They HAVE released the
SDK which is a big milestone.
My problem isn't the hardware as such, it is the fact that, there are no major hardware partners
producing the AmigaOne. The only AmigaOne system announced is this Eyetech board. Something
exciting was promised, and major partners hinted at, but niether has materialised. By all means go
out and buy this new system (Which had already been partially announced a few weeks ago), but there
are plenty of people for whom this is not a desireable solution.
I know that this is only one of many POSSIBLE solutions, but where are the rest?
I'll ask again. Where are the major Hardware and software firms that have been impressed so much with
the DE system and concepts (which are to my mind are definatley the way I want to go)? Find one
peice of software o the list that isn't by an existing amiga firm or a straight port of an OLD PC
game? The Mario64 doesn't count becuase it is obviously an error.
I'm not whinging, I'm asking questions about how well supported Amiga REALLY are......
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 87 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I uderstood it so that AmigaOne 1200 and AmigaOne 4000 will not require CSPPC/BPPC.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 88 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 21-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
The Eyetech solution is quite good. I think its the only way to get complete compatibilty whilst moving forward.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 89 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by anymouse on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Andy H):
Dude, while I agree with some of what you say, man, I think you need to lighten up and loose some of the heavy baggage you are carrying around. This is their business and they are going to run it in a way that is best. I know they have listened and made many changes for the community of Amiga users and continue to listen.(-: In business you cannot please everyone, that’s a fact of life, and I suppose you, judging by your comments and heavy negative syntax, are one of those bitter folks. Relax, everything is going to be ok, take a breath, and perhaps in a few months, you will have some of the answers you desire. I really believe Bill and company is doing a great job, give them a chance and lighten up.(-:
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 90 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
I don't build computers! My question would be why Amiga, Inc. is
not using the availble POP specs for the Amiga One instead of waiting
for over a year to come out with the Amiga One motherboard?
Then we have Merlancia, who claim to have PPC based AmigaDE compatible
machines comming out somewere within a much shorter time frame. If
Merlancia has done this then why can't Amiga, Inc or their partners?
What are Merlancia using for motherboards? POP???
Also, I find it very disturbing that more and more existing Amiga developers
are either going out of business or turing to other platforms exclusively.
On the page that list apps available for the new Amiga One, there are many
programs woefully missing from that list. Two very obvious ones would be
Directory Opus Magellan which there is NO equal, and ImageFX.
Existing Amiga developers are dropping like flies one right after another
and it seems like Amiga, Inc., doesn't really care. I find that troubling.
I'm not bashing Haage and Partner at all, however they have snapped up
several products from existing Amiga developers who have thrown in the
towel, and now they are advertising ImageFX for sale on their site.
Will Haage & Partner be the only existing Amiga developer in a few short
months? Many have gone, many have disappeared like Nova Design and GPSoft,
and I think others will go as well, and is seems like no one gives a
d*amn. I cannot imagine an Amiga without Directory Opus Magellan and/or
ImageFX, and there are others as well, but something is strange regarding
all of the existing Amiga developers that are going out of business,
switching to other platforms, or just dissapearing like Nova Design.
There hasn't been an update of ImageFX in nearly a year now, nor has
there been any mention of it at all other than the just recently announced
BLOWOUT prices!
I myself and I'm certain thousands of other Amiga users would like answers
to questions like this.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 91 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (george):
Indeed the situation with there being no solution for the
A3000T/A4000T models does suck and it sucks badly. I agree
with you that owners of these machines, and I know many
personally, have spent big bucks on these machines and would
be first in line to buy anything new, but it would appear that
certain companies think that the A1200 and the A4000's were the
only Amigas ever made. That blows...
I'd bet that there are as many if not more A3000's, A3000T's and
A4000T's in use as A1200's and A4000's combined times two. Geez...
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 92 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Doesn't the A3000, the A3000T and the A4000T have accelerator
slots? Last time I looked they did!
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 93 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (george):
Isn't Eyetech in the UK? I'm sure there were alot of A1200's sold
there and a few A4000's, however this DOES NOT represent the rest
of the Amiga world who own thousands of A3000's, A3000T's, and
A4000T's. I know many Amiga users and not one of them own an
A1200 and only three own A4000's.
IMO over half of the Amiga market is left out by this "solution",
and I'd wager that most of the A1200's sold are in boxes under
the bed right beside the A500's and the C64's.
I'm not trying to bash anyone, but this solution being made only
for A1200's and A4000 a tragic mistake...it is completely ludicrous
and whoever conceived this brilliant idea up was not thinking very clearly at
all.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 94 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (fleecy):
Your POP information is different from mine? Please elaborate.
I just read a couple of months back that someone had Linux
running successfully on a POP motherboard. I followed the
link from one of the Amiga news sites. I can't remember which
but if anyone does remember post it here. In the meantime I'll
see if I can't locate it again.
From what I've read the POP is ready to go, but perhaps you know
more than me. Again, if you do please elaborate on the problems
with the POP design? :)
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 95 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Roberto C.):
It is good news, but Q3 of 2001? I certainly hoped for something
much sooner than that. As someone said what's another year, but
what if Q3 2001 becomes Q2 2002, then Q1 2003,etc. I hope that is
not the case, but no one knows. :/
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 96 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anonymous):
If the POP spec is complete, where are all the POP
boards, where are all the companies queuin up outside
our doors saying, hey Amia
As for the other Amiga apps missing, it disturbs us as well, but the ppl behind these are real bodies with real financial needs.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 97 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anonymous):
If the POP spec is complete, where are all the POP
boards, where are all the companies queuing up outside
our doors saying, hey Amiga, we want to build a POP machine for
your DE? Strangely, I don't see any...
As for the other Amiga apps missing, it disturbs us as well, but the ppl behind these are real bodies with real financial needs. Porting their products to the new DE is costly, and having been already burnt once by the Amiga market, they need to believe it will do it again. Amigans need to understand that the Amiga market is the PC market. They seem to think we all have millions of dollars, thousands of employees and billions of customers. The reality at the moment, as sorrowful as it is, is that we don't, and we won't have for sometime. Companies such as Hyperion, Titan, Epic and many others have gone far beyond normal business sense in continuing to support the Amiga. We are doing our best to support them. The user base needs to as well.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 98 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Andy H):
Transmeta started work a few years ago and began courting
hardware companies about a year later. We have been in business
less than a year.
The Amiga community also needs to get some sort of perspective. We
are continuously inundated with screams that we should be revealing all our plans and all our partners to Joe, who owns a chipshop, or dave who is a student, or michael, who offers PC support for a living. This isn't how the business world operates. There are big companies who make computers with big ties to another company that provides them with an OS. They get a sweet deal because they only use that OS. It is 90% or more of their business. They would like to have another OS. Sure, let's announce it now, so that they lose their sweet deal and go down the pan, and their new Amiga product goes down the pain because Amigans don't like x86, or the colour purple, or the fact that Amiga 1000 utilities won't run on it.
Why have we been able to announce STBs first? It is because there isn't a
dominating product there so companies are free to chose.
If you don't believe us or aren't happy, go somewhere else. That is your choice. We and the remaining Amiga companies are doing our best. Product announcements and releases should be a joyous occasion but in the present community they are a time for dread. The community really has to get over the fact that Commodore went bankrupt x years ago and screwed the platform.
Blaming us is pointless.
All I have heard is complaints about an average PC spec.
Fact. There is no PC with the spec of the product announced.
Fact. That is a minimum spec, so a company can put a 1.1ghz Athlon in,
512mb ram, a 30 Gig HD and whatever else they want.
The Amiga community has been damaging itself from the inside for so long now
it seems to know of no other way to behave. If ppl really are that unhappy,
go to another platform, and leave us who are trying so that we can bring it
back to life. Don't be another boot on the coffin lid as we try to raise it
up from the ground.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 99 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anonymous):
Have you read the PR at all?
Eyetech are a third party company - not Amiga!!! They did their
own research and find viable markets for a first product run based
on AA machines. Why are you moaning here? Go to Eyetech or another third
party company and tell them about this enormous market of yours and ask
them to provide a product.
Amiga announces the AmigaOne : Comment 100 of 119ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Ahem...People are still complaing of no A 3000 support...
Emm even if the predator doesn't fit in a ppc card(I think
it does) the 4000, 4000T and 3000 have THE SAME cpu slot.
I'm sure that if the predator doesn't plug in the ppc card
it will plug in the cpu slot, so what's the problem?
Yes it almost surely it will need some DIY in the tower
or the 3000 desktop but the point is that it will work!
I hope that someone will find a solution for the mediator
too to run the AmigaDE on all existing busboards but I
think that this can only work with the OS hosted on linux
with a linux mediator driver as Matrox will not release a
PCI G800...
As for the pci case, I like all the busboards but the G-Rex
has a VERY unprofesional pcb... The mediator has a much cleaner
pcb and the Predator should look like that because if I had
a G-Rex on my machine with a voodoo 3 card on it I would be
afraid not to touch it and break it into 2 pieces as having
a so bad layed out pcb can cause many physical problems...
As for the case of the competition I can't say anything...
I think that it's stupid for all of them...DCE just lost
possible buyers of the G-Rex just by doing this licence
stuff and annoying everyone...DCE I think you should act
like elbox by releasing something and then try to make
people buy it by making more drivers than the competitors
and not by licencing the most important driver os it would
be available only for your solution...I hope eyetech won't
do something like that too...
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