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Posted on 23-Oct-2000 12:33 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä19 comments
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From Greg Thomas, courtesy of Czech Amiga News: "ACE 2000 was a huge success for Amiga and its users. Many people from many platforms attended and heard FOUR big announcements from Amiga CEO, Bill McEwen. The first and the biggest is the new PPC based Amiga One, the new computer from Amiga. It was emphasised that Amiga is a software company, so in future all hardware will be from third parties, not Amiga itself. There will soon be a card to upgrade your existing A1200 and A4000 (A3000 maybe) to Amiga One specifications with access to Apple Mac accelerators! Second, Workbench 3.9 with a new Kickstart 3.9 chip is to be released. The next update of the SDK is tomorrow and the next version in one months time. And last of all was the announcement that Amiga is opening 10% of the company up to investment from Amiga users. This was a huge announcement in itself and added to the jubilation of the crowd. During his speech Bill said he is not the saviour of the Amiga, we are. This was a great day for our Amiga. Many of the Linux users were very excited about this "closed source" news too :-) The speech was so well received that Amiga user, Rick Hammond said to Bill, "Thank you, this has changed my life. I'm back with Amiga again."

Ace2k news : Comment 1 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I suppose the "tomorrow" in the text means today (Monday).
Ace2k news : Comment 2 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Great stuff!
Investment ? Is this stocks ? I'll buy!
Kickstart/Workbench 3.9 ? I'll buy!
<windows> SDK ? I'll buy!
Needless to say, I am excited.
ttfn,
Ace2k news : Comment 3 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Heams on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I think that this is fantastic news!! - Not only are we getting new machines next year, but we'll be able to upgrade to them if we wish! This is more than I expected from Amiga - and as a result I'm very pleased. Well done!
Ace2k news : Comment 4 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
This is good news!!
If it really turns out to be a new _hardware_ kickstart, ie. a
new chip, the patchwork 3.5 thingy will have an end :-)
I guess the 3.9 team might have problems to place new features
or even ppc native code into the rom as there was not much free space
left in 3.1, was there?
Ace2k news : Comment 5 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Paul Heams):
It's Grrrrreat news. Nowm wait till you see the new Os3.9 and most of all wait to you see the new AmigaDE it has alot of exciting new stuff that Amiga Inc. has added to make the Tao platform their own the functionalitie alone will blow you away. a Fantastic job on the New Workbench GUI as well. Now as William Shatner would say " I told you it was going to big really Big"!!
Ace2k news : Comment 6 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
I will wait and see on the OS3.9 Issue. It will have to have an awful lot of new
"must have" stuff to tempt me to part with more money. Mainly because I am sick and
tired of all this "hacks and patches" running on possibly the greatest OS ever
for which it wasn't really designed for. This results in my A1200T crashing
on all the latest programes. Fix one problem and watch as you can no longer run
something from the past.
For myself I want a nice new "clean" system with a high degree of backward compatibility.
As to the shares issue, yes I am interested, but it will take an awfull lot of
cash and effort for Amiga to administer the share issue on a worldwide basis.
Regards
Mikey C
Ace2k news : Comment 7 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Carl Mohlin on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Nothing on the official www.amiga.com-pages says anything about a HARDWARE-3.9-kickstart, so I don't think it is true.
Ace2k news : Comment 8 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Some system should be put in place for the none US community to be able to buy shares.
Ideally shares should be in the hands of people with the best long term interests of Amiga at heart rather than pure speculators.
Also people who understand the research funds/dividends dilemma.
Ace2k news : Comment 9 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Bob C. on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mike):
I'm with you Mike.
Details, we want details on how to involved with Investment and stocks ?
Bob C.
Ace2k news : Comment 10 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Nilsson on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
THIS IS FUCKING GREAT!!!
I appologise for my language, but I'm so exited about the recent Amiga news I just dont know what to do. Except buying of course.
And that is everything. The OS3.9 the AmigaOne, the stocks and so on...
Stefan
Ace2k news : Comment 11 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by TheJUDGE on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Stefan Nilsson):
Man, I really don't see what is to be excited about here, if you take all the
statements apart on their own, you'll be able to see many things. Our SDK has been
a flop, amiga users didn't buy it (15,000 uh huh), we couldn't get any hardware
company to support our plan, so we will use current amiga technology, Eyetech/Phase5
stuff, and try to force amiga users into the TAO environment. Oh and also, we are
out of money so feel free to send us money to allow us to make payroll, I mean seriously
their is a mechanism for companies gathering money, it's called a stock offering, I'm not
where you actually, really have equity in the company, not just the word of the company that
you do, and anyway's it's damn unprofessional, we should expect those who own
the company and believe in their IDEAS and will reap the benefits of the success of
the company to handle this stuff. I have always been very curious about these guys true
intentions as to the Amiga, doesn't it make you wonder how easily they toss around the
terms Amiga Community and such just off the cuff, remember these guys are hardly what I
would call a part of the Amiga Community (McEwen,Moss,Hughes) the three principles,
anyways, these opinions are my own (with some research, and knowing some of the folks
involved), and when some more of the details come to light, you folks will truly
be stunned.
Amigan's like Amigas, is it that hard to understand.
Ace2k news : Comment 12 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by nOM^ on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (TheJUDGE):
I hope that you are wrong, but i can understand that you are sceptic about any press release that Amiga makes. All the former owners of Amiga promised the world but never deliverd... I myself are also sceptic but this time everything seems different. Why wouldn't there be 15000 copy's of the SDK been sold ? Why does this sound weird ? ... 15000 isn't that much for a software bundle.
Why is the world-computer-press interested in the Amiga? because it sounds like crapp ? .... And i for one would be thrilled to have a "stock" of Amiga.
I think this time Amiga may have a little change for a come-back ... I don't think that it will conquer the world .. but maybe a small piece of it.
Amiga 4ever !!!
Ace2k news : Comment 13 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
Well I recall Bill posting a big long spew about where the company is heading, and why they do not plan on revamping the entire Classic OS, and chose rather to use this Tao thing. So we have known since he bought the rights to Amiga that things were not going to stay the same, and thank god for that matter!
I feel this platform independant move will realy be great, and I do not feel that we are losing Classic Amiga in this choice, so long as Amiga keeps its spirit, and that is all I care about. I don't care about the OS, I care about the Spirit, when I use the new OS, I want it to feel free, I want to be flexable, surprising, amazing, multi-tasking, and full of those compact fast as hell, easy to learn programs that we are used to from the classic os. I am not too concerned about backwards compatability so long as my apps run I.E. stuff like AmIRC, and the like. As far as games go...
..well who still plays Duke 1 on there 1000Mhz PC with 256Mb ram?
Get the point?
As far as Amiga being poor, well no doubt they are poor, they only saved up the doe for the rights to Amiga no more than a year ago, they had not money left, so they had to have Tao, and other groups do all the hard labor, while in the mean time they lay out the plans, and stratagies that will hopefully put more doe and force into the companies hands.
I would totally agree that Amiga has not been fully professionaly like though, not that I care, professinalism is for a bunch of tight ass suit and tie crook types anyhow, but I would like to see the company I support be a little less clumsy, ya know? Like posting a software release page with bogus, unresearched info? Not to mention many other things that make this company look un-serious.
Despite it all, I wish them the best of luck and I hope they deliever what they plan, not the Classic Amiga, but the Amiga Spirit, inovation, compactness, simpliscity, and interaction that is like liquid, as is the classic os :)
Ace2k news : Comment 14 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 22-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Carl Mohlin):
There is definitely no ROM for 3.9, Gary Peake has stated that and
somebody on AmigaNews.de checked with Haage.
Probably the reporter misheard, or Bill made a slip of the tongue.
Ace2k news : Comment 15 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Bowman on 23-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Mikey C):
>>For myself I want a nice new "clean" system with a high degree of backward >>compatibility.
Hmmm...this is really a contradiction in terms...you just can't expect to run your old amiga software forever from a1000 to a4000. Something has to break at one stage. People hanging on to their old stuff and not buying anything severly hampered the Amiga software market.
Ace2k news : Comment 16 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 23-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (TheJUDGE):
#1 AmigaSDK was not meant for Amiga Users. Initially only 10 000 AmigaSDKs were produced, that was not enough. A friend of my, Linux freak, had to wait one month for the second production phase. -> AmigaSDK was not a disappointment!!!!
#2 Amiga users have been whining about the support for Classics, now they've got it.
You think that guys at Amiga Inc are there just to rip us off?
You are terribly wrong, did you mix up AI & M$ ??
Ace2k news : Comment 17 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (TheJUDGE):
I am positively sick of these "If you would know what I
know..."-posts, you're just trying to sound important. If you'd really
know so much more "stunning" news than we do, why not go and tell
them?? I mean you already posted anynomiously (as do I because I once
got abusive mail for months when I last tried to answer to someone
like you). You're just trying to be negative, and because you are
lacking real arguments you're saying things like "If you'd know...",
"I know people involved...". Don't you see how ridiculous that makes
you?
And yeah, Bill and Fleecy (I do not know them) are just trying to rip
us off, that's why they are releasing things like OS3.9, they're gonna
earn millions of dollars with it, and then they're going to run away
and laugh at us... Or if you mean they are trying to make money in the
long run out, even with Amigas (my, it's so unethical to make money
with Amigas, nobody's done it before...), what is so wrong with it??
Ace2k news : Comment 18 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
I agree. People complain but they don't see the brighter side of things. I guess sometimes it's easier to be negative so you don't get let down. I think things with Amiga have been slow, but there seems to be some signs that things are picking up.
If they plan to sell OS 3.9 for about $40, how much money are they going to make from us?? Maybe they'll take a trip down the block and eat a fast food place. Some nice features were added in 3.5, hopefully more in 3.9.
As for the SDK, how many people are going to buy a developers kit? Majority of people that own PCs now-a-days, can't even find the any key on their computer or tell the difference between RAM and hard drive space and you think these people will write programs for new Amigas?
I once lost $250 when an Amiga mail order place never shipped out what I ordered and then they suddenly dissappeared. If I give Amiga Inc $250, I believe I will see more happen with that money than I did with Grapevine. Hell, I'd be happy if I could just run up to a local store and pick something up right away for my Amiga.
As alway, we will have to wait and see. It better be true that good things come to those who wait.
Ace2k news : Comment 19 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Nicholai Benalal on 23-Oct-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Bob C.):
If you seriously consider buying stocks in this company then please consider
the following
1) Trying to get the money from biased endusers can easily be interpreted as
a negative signal. They might be doing this because ppl with a better
possibility to evaluate the future prospects of this company are unwilling to
give them any capital
2) Taking a small position in a company that isn't traded on a market is very
risky. How are you going to monitor amiga inc? Don't tell me that this looks like
a brilliant business. It might be but none of use is in a position to make a good
judgement. That will not change even if they give away some financial statements.
Evaluating this kind of company is *hard*, complicated and very risky. And the work
doesn't stop once you've bought the stock. The only information we've had so far is
the executive update...I wouldn't risk my money based on that.
3) Where are you going to find a buyer if you want to sell?
4) Never trust the CEO when it comes to raising money :-)
Friendly,
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