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Posted on 25-Nov-2000 13:35 GMT by Christian Kemp64 comments
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Bill McEwen has posted a new Executive Update, where he hints that there might be a strong possibility of an AmigaOS 4.0, if sales of 3.9 are good enough, and announces that there will be more details and announcements at the Amiga World show in Cologne next month.
New Executive Update : Comment 1 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Ross on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
This 4.0 release could be the rumoured PPC version. Lets just hope sales are good.
New Executive Update : Comment 2 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Chris on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Jim Ross):
I'd be surprised if they were. A lot of people I know have taken a good,
hard look at the released information on 3.9 and none of them are happy.
Some are going to preorder anyway, but a lot aren't. Without major
improvements to the system libraries, H&P aren't going to get people
really interested: the 3.9 "features" list reads like an AminetCD, and
if 3.5 is anything to go by only the freeware stuff and Genesis will be
the full versions, the rest will be demo or cut-down stuff. Quite frankly
I don't *NEED* AVI players, QT players, new tool launchers and so on.
I've been using them for ages, I've got applications to do more or less
everything I need already (bar the rather deficient capabilities presented
by Amiga browsers, although Netscape 4.7 on LinuxPPC makes up for that)
What I need is a faster version of layers.library, improved RTG-ready
graphics.library, built-in RTA, fixes to the bugs in the OS functions.
What use is a fancy house if the foundations are crumbling (especially
when you have bought, built or downloaded even fancier houses already)?
New Executive Update : Comment 3 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
If you don't make an investment in 3.9 then don't expect 4.0.
Whether you need the features offered in 3.9 or already have them,
you should purchase the upgrade so they'll continue development.
New Executive Update : Comment 4 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Carlos on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
What you say is "Buy crap now. They get funds to make real stuff next time"... But hey, wasn't that happen with OS3.5? How you can expect people get fooled again with the same trick?
New Executive Update : Comment 5 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Nabs on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Carlos):
How do you figure that it was a "trick"?
The original line was unless 3.5 sells well, there won't be a 3.6.
3.5 sold reasonably well, but less than the required 20,000 units. Since AmigaDE
was pending, there was no point in continuing with Classic OS development
anyway. But, as Bill says, they listened to requests for continued development,
and now we have OS 3.9.
So, one way or another, we got another Classic OS release. If 3.5 had sold
-really- badly, like a few thousand units, we would never have seen 3.9, no
matter how many people petitioned Bill/AInc. So it does make sense to buy 3.9.
3.9 is like any piece of software for the Amiga has been for the last 5 years:
support the developers, or don't expect the developers to stick around, and
forget any new versions. It's not like MicroSoft, or any other big software
house, who will release new versions no matter what. 3.9 may be backed by Amiga,
but that shouldn't be taken as any guarantee. AmigaDE is a completely different
entity.
To those who say it's just Aminet stuff, there are significant bugfixes,
including longstanding ones (ie. those not fixed in BB1).
Everyone should stop their whining. Why does everyone in the Amiga market want
everything without any effort on their behalf? A PPC version of the Classic OS
has been our Holy Grail for years. If getting to it (ie. v4.0) means spending
£40 on 3.9, then cough up (however IMHO, we will never see a PPC-based Classic
OS from Amiga; the development time/cost is not worth it, when they will have a
much bigger market in the AmigaDE).
Stop expecting something for nothing.
Nabs..
New Executive Update : Comment 6 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by SoT on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Who is the CEO of Amiga inc ?
Bill McEwen Gates ?
A big AssHole Idiot...
New Executive Update : Comment 7 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Baute on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SoT):
Sorry? What did you intend to say?
New Executive Update : Comment 8 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SoT):
You're insulting, and I don't think it's tolerated in here...
Be careful and watch your words please.
New Executive Update : Comment 9 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Chris):
So what is win98 compared to win95. A lot of bug fixes and some small additions/improvements.
You want H&P to list the bugfixes for you??
The idea of a PPC picture datatype sounds cool too.....IomegaTOOLS (not some half usefull aminet tool), full TCP packet....SE version of AWEB3.4 ( The fastest amiga web browser)
(But it's of no use to all the UAE complainers :)))
An integrated (un)archiver probably a la winzip. And a ery interesting last line:
This temporary list shows on an extract of the new features. A more detailed list will be made public soon.
OS3.9 is a big improvement over OS3.5, No it's not a PPC port of the OS, but it's got enough new features for me, and probably a lot more.
Don't forget that there are much users that didn' buy OS3.5 because of th same reasons why you don't want to buy 3.5
Maybe they've got enough reasons now.
New Executive Update : Comment 10 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Chris on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Amifan):
> So what is win98 compared to win95. A lot of bug fixes and some small additions/improvements.
Your point being? Note what you are saying: "lot of bug fixes" "some small additions".
Look at 3.9: "lots of additions" "some small bugfixes. There may well be lots of
bugfixes, but I can't see them anywhere. I *DONT CARE* about the packages
that are bundled with it: it doesn't matter what the hell they put on there, the
chances are I, and quite a lot of people I know, have already bought, downloaded or
written the same packages or their superiors. I am interested in IMPROVEMENTS TO THE
OS not the number of packages they can fit on the CD. And improvements are things
like finally getting real RTG in graphics.library, fixing low level problems in the
OS, fundamental changes to the libraries that should have been done YEARS ago, not
the odd fix for one or two functions.
> You want H&P to list the bugfixes for you??
It'd be a ---ing start! Although I have serious doubts they'd be in the places I'd
want them to be, the places they really *need* to be.
> IomegaTOOLS (not some half usefull aminet tool),
I use CD-Rs, cheaper and more reliable.
> full TCP packet....
MiamiDx. Reg'd. Best TCP/IP stack on the planet.
> SE version of AWEB3.4 ( The fastest amiga web browser)
And still lacking features and hidden behind a GUI that looks like
it was designed by a blind cubist. And this is an SE version, a-mazing.
Next time Windows ships with Explorer-SE or Linux ships with Netscape-SE
I'll be sure to make a note of it... Yes, there's the economic issues and
so on, but ami I really the only person here who finds it rather
disturbing when a commercial Os is shipped wiht a cutdown shareware
browser as a key feature?!
> This temporary list shows on an extract of the new features. A more detailed list
> will be made public soon.
Yes. I'm waiting. I may be surprised. I seriously doubt that though.
New Executive Update : Comment 11 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Fed up of waiting, and loving my new PS2! on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I think it's about time to upgrade to a WinTel Machine. I have had
enough of paying through my nose for outdated hardware and empty
promises and your lame update has just about pushed me over the edge.
As for version 4 of our best loved OS, forget it. It still wont be on
ROM and probably just more Freeware stuff bundled together. Bill, come
on and get your act together. We need new stuff now. Something that we can
show of to the world NOW, not next year maybe or sometime.
New Executive Update : Comment 12 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I for one am looking forward to OS3.9. And I also didn't feel that I had
been "tricked" when I got OS3.5. It contained an overhauled interface, many fixes,
integrated some nice features (such as the ARexx port for WB), and was basically
a very nice update. To think of it as an entirely reworked OS doens't make sense,
as it is still a 3.x version number. Now OS 3.9 is coming, and it will most
likely be the last update to version 3 of the classic Amiga OS. It is fairly cheap,
fixes a lot of bugs and implements some nice features. What more should you
expect from a £40 OS upgrade?
-
As for OS3.9 being an Aminet collection, get real. It is true that some of the new
features can be added by shareware and freeware available on Aminet. But, certainly,
isn't it better to have these features properly integrated into the OS, implemented
in a way that is entirely system legal, and officially supported?
-
To "SoT": If you had tried adding some reasoning to your statements, written them
in a less rude, more literate way, and they had some sort off purpose, you wouldn't
have sounded nearly as daft as you did.
-
Kay
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Isn't this all really kinda silly. They really don't make upgrades worth having. I got 3.5 but frankly it wasn't worth it and from reading about what is new and hot in 3.9 I think that is worth even less. Isn't this bordering on electronic blackmail ? Buy now and well do something good later on ? Please! I hope they get there act together. AmigaOS 4.0 Being PPC, why not just use MorphOS ? It's EXCELLENT! And if everyone could just get togther it would be even better. Nah no OS 3.9 for me i'm sticking to MorphOS.
New Executive Update : Comment 14 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I really do not _like_ to think and say this but OS3.9 really stinks.
If there are some good new features they have not announced so far,
well I'd be glad. But for now, OS3.9 is indeed nothing more than a 3.5
and some stuff added that was publically available before. Comment 2
has really said it all. Who needs stuff like this too-bright CD
player!?
Even if OS3.9 had a bazillion of bugs fixed, it would not be worth
more than 10 bucks or so. Btw what they done to Boingbag2!? I am
heavily disappointed by HAAGE&PARTNER this time especially considering
the fact that they originally intended to call this very version 4.0!!
(See german print-mag AmigaOS!)... And Bill McEwen says we would "be
very proud of" 3.9.. What exactly?
- I do not need Moovid (cannot play "real" movies (divx etc) anyways)
- I do not need Zip-tools (CDRs have won)
- I do not need a CD player on my miggy (got a HW one and mp3
software!)
- I prefer MiamiDX over Genesis
- I am happy with good ol' Toolmanager
- I use Vinced anyways
Basically the only things thats good at this 3.5 and 3.9 stuff are the
glowicons... Erm they weren't publically available before, were
they?! :-)
And to those people that are willing to buy 3.9 because of the fact
that they want to see a 4.0: you must be really (stooopid|rich|both).
BTW there is a link to a new screenshot of 3.9 somewhere on
www.amiga-news.de. This is really ridiculous! A workbench with dozens
of icons on it and a CD player, AmigaAMP and a startbar.. Ts ts, I
_really must_ have this OS3.9 _now_ ... NOT!
New Executive Update : Comment 15 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
MorphOS?
What a joke!
A hobby-Os by a couple of hobby coders!
Use Linux then if you want hobby stuff.
New Executive Update : Comment 16 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Karl XII on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Amiga OS 3.9 might not be the best upgrade or kit developed to further enhance the classic OS but....some month ago noone knew there were going to be another OS after 3.5 so I think we should be grateful that they actually try to help improve the OS. It is NOT mandatory to buy it but for those who like the new features let them buy it. One should be pleased there are ANY improvements at all of the classic Amiga OS. Of course I would have liked to seen improvements in the OS itself than mainly adding new features or add-on programs etc. But I doubt H&P have access (or time) to delve into the hardcore OS for any improvements worth its cost.
Let us instead concentrate on the new Amiga DE that will arrive and be happy that they actually spend money in advancing the old OS meanwhile. Besides the announcement was only made 1.5 month before the release so I am impressed they actually have bundled the all the features into it despite the most of them might have been added from Aminet/Shareware/Freeware collections.
New Executive Update : Comment 17 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
> Isn't this all really kinda silly.
Yes it is.
> why not just use MorphOS ? It's EXCELLENT! And if everyone could just get
> togther it would be even better.
You should be able to use OS3.9 with MorphOS much in the same way that you can use Opus MagellanII with OS3.5. As for Ralph and H&P working together, I don't think that's possible. If you get them both in the same they both come out looking like they have terets syndrome. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just played nicely together?
Just imagine... ONE solid choice of PPC kernal all with the best abilities of the current kernals out there. Is it even possible?
I won't touch MorphOS at this time until I can find some way to make all of my commercial WarpOS products run as right now, I don't have any PowerUP based programs other than FastQuake5.
New Executive Update : Comment 18 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
I don't usually reply to such ignorance but this one was too good to pass up.
Cannot play real movies like divx etc.
Divx is a proprietary implementation of MPEG 4 by Microsoft.
I am sure you have a PPC 604e@233 Mhz right?
Otherwise even if we could have this on the Amiga, I really want to see your 040 or 060 run it.
Say at 1 fps or so.
Even with a Cyberstorm PPC you would have a very hard time.
New Executive Update : Comment 19 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
I don't usually reply to such ignorance but this one was too good to pass up.
Cannot play real movies like divx etc.
Divx is a proprietary implementation of MPEG 4 by Microsoft.
I am sure you have a PPC 604e@233 Mhz right?
Otherwise even if we could have this on the Amiga, I really want to see your 040 or 060 run it.
Say at 1 fps or so.
Even with a Cyberstorm PPC you would have a very hard time.
New Executive Update : Comment 20 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by JT on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SoT):
Everytime I see comments like this I wonder if its author
knows just a little bit about the argument he is talking about,
or just anythink about information technology..... or just can
play some vidoegames....
New Executive Update : Comment 21 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 24-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Personally, I don't want to get involved in the argument, given that I'll probably never bother with 3.5 or 3.9 (at least until the day when I find a PPC card at a hamfest for $5 ;))... and I'm actually impressed that Amiga Inc. is managing to offer anything in that regard...
But I do hate to see misinformation spread, and so I'll dive in here and point out that "DivX ;-)" (which does appear to be the full official name) is NOT a proprietary Microsoft product, but rather a project run by some hackers from lord-knows-where. I'm led to understand that the whole thing is an open source (GPL?) project; unfortunately, the "official" sites (http://divx.ctw.cc/ and http://www.projectmayo.com/) are so damn sketchy that I can't confirm this wholeheartedly. Anyhow, it's all based off the MPEG4 standard, which certainly isn't Microsoft's IP. :)
Perhaps someone's thinking of the ill-fated DIVX platform, which was basically a simple (and some would say, crippled) variant on the DVD platform, or maybe Microsoft's proprietary ASF format for Windows Media Player video? (Which, I must admit, is the only thing I've seen that can put vaguely-tolerable video on a Pentium 75 in a reasonable period of time with a dialup connection...) Or maybe someone's just burning a phatty 10-rock? :)
-Joe "Floid" Kanowitz
-Wondering how these posts always end up so long...
New Executive Update : Comment 22 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
:I don't usually reply to such ignorance but this one was too good to
:pass up. Cannot play real movies like divx etc. Divx is a
:proprietary implementation of MPEG 4 by Microsoft.
Now who is ignorant here?? Do you really want me to type the entire
list of codecs not supported by Moovid in here? No matter if
they are legal, publically documented or need lots of cumputing time -
Moovid supports shit!! And therefore nobody needs it!! Whats so hard
to understand here?
:I am sure you have a PPC 604e@233 Mhz right?
:Otherwise even if we could have this on the Amiga, I really want to
:see your 040 or 060 run it. Say at 1 fps or so. Even with a
:Cyberstorm PPC you would have a very hard time.
So you at Hyperion are developing your games with the 040 or 060
only in mind? What a poor attitude!
And you do not want the Amiga to support modern _standards_ because
doing this would be too slow _today_ anyways?? Ever heard of
technological progress!? You at Hyperion certainly do not see a
need for a G3/G4 in the future of the Amiga, do you??
New Executive Update : Comment 23 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
You sure are one angry anonymous. Moovid doesn't support shit, many videoclips downloaded from internet are .movs anyway and it's the only format that really does run with lower cpus in mind (040 for example) and most of the amigas ARE powered with 68k. DIVX would run on G3/G4, but have you got one ? No one haves..so perpaps when we do see such a board it would become reality. The OS 3.9 has propably everything some amigans allready has, but you really can't say like YOU=EVERY AMIGAN, now can you ? And you know Hyperion won't produce any 68k games unless it really runs on it (the new Worms perhaps) and you knew that, just had to place a stupid question anyway ? I'm going to buy OS3.9 anyways, you can call me stupid or whatever I don't really care much about the anonymous' arrogant opinions.
New Executive Update : Comment 24 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ville Sarell):
Ever notice that the biggest whiners are also scared to put a name or email address? Maybe someone will recognize him and say:
"Hey I know you ****, you havent owned an Amiga since you sold your A500 in 1989!"
Some people feel they must justify their miserable Windows-oriented life by attacking any new developments.
Jim
New Executive Update : Comment 25 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (redrumloa):
> Ever notice that the biggest whiners are also scared to put a name or email
> address?
Yeah! You're not kidding! Gawd I hate them anon peoples... They don't know jack about what they are talking about and bother not to research the situations that could be with or without the information.
damn unknown people that don't even leave their email addy.
New Executive Update : Comment 26 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by MAS on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
"Will you buy OS 3.9?"
Damn fine topic for a new survey, don't you think. What about it CK?
New Executive Update : Comment 27 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I've already been(started) through this on Usenet... It's bad enough that the developers crap all over the users providing buggy and unfinished software like Impulse & HiSoft/Omnipresence, but now Amiga Inc. is doing it?
I will not buy anything from them until the bugs added in 3.5 are fixed, at no further cost.
I'm not a beta-tester.
New Executive Update : Comment 28 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Dirk Baeyens on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I wil buy Amiga OS 3.9 (preordered it). Why? I have also 3.5 and my system is verry stable with it, no more guru's and stuf. So i think that 3.9 is atleast a better version of 3.5. ;) And for the extra stuff, wel afcourse everybody has a lot of progs and
utils, but you can not expect that the most populair ones come with the OS, but what i realy would like that these where better integrated into the OS. Maybe something for Amiga OS 4.0?
New Executive Update : Comment 29 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Kojak on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Alright, fellow Amiga freaks...everybody take a deep breath...very good...now let's have a virtual group hug...lol :P...
New Executive Update : Comment 30 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Hey on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I too would like to see the bugs in 3.5 fixed without having to buy 3.9. I would also like to see the new ram handler added as listed as a feature. I was disappointed with the Miami debacle. Besides that I was happy with the new icon support, WB Arexx support and the less noticable things like the speed up with memory copying and serial, global cut and paste between string gadgets, etc. I still may buy OS 3.9 but I'll wait to see reviews this time if I can't trust for *free* and reasonably quick bugfixes. This product is going to have to be better out of the box than last time for me. RTG, RTA and OS support for PCI needs to be added soon. How much can P96/CGFX cost outright? It needs to be done to avoid Elbox/P96/CGFX problems even if it hurts a couple of developers.
New Executive Update : Comment 31 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (MAS):
> "Will you buy OS 3.9?"
> Damn fine topic for a new survey, don't you think. What about it CK?
Might do that.
New Executive Update : Comment 32 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
For you complainers: Stop with the complaining. I am really getting sick of that. For years you people complained that, allthough Amiga had found a new owner, there was no new OS. Then OS 3.5 gets released and people start complaining there is nothing new and won't buy it. That's crap. Now Amiga and Haage & Partner are trying to make it more complete and better and you still complain. The only thing you do with this complaining and not buying is killing the classic OS while it could be so good. It's not too late to make something great of the Amiga OS.
Using software by the Amiga community is a good thing because then they can go on with what is really important: The system itself. It is stupid to spend time on improving the information requester or creating a DefIcons system while Stephan Rupprecht has done a great job a that. And there are tons of programs like that. It would make the system only more expensive and other more important work gets less time.
Just buy Amiga OS 3.9 and make something good of the classic OS and your hardware and quit complaining.
Remco Komduur
The Netherlands
Proud to actually have bought Amiga OS 3.5 and pre-ordered OS 3.9
New Executive Update : Comment 33 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Christian Kemp):
I would wait with such a poll until ALL features of OS 3.9 are made public.
New Executive Update : Comment 34 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Rich on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (the man in the shadows):
The PPC is a dead end. Motorola will give up developing it
just like they gave up developing the 68k. The MAC
market is not big enough to support a large enough market.
The Intel P4 and future AMD processors will be the final
nail in the PPC coffin. There just isn't enough money
in making chips for the MAC market. IMO is why the new
MAC OS is based on Linux, an easy PORT to x86 architecture.
Processor speed:
NOW
x86=1500Mhz
PPC=500Mhz
FUTURE
x86=2000Mhz
PPC=600Mhz maybe 700Mhz
Right now the X86 is a life support for me Amiga via winuae on P200mhz
desktop and P3-500mhz laptop. I got a chance the run winuae on a
thunderbird 700 overclocked to 900 and was quite impressed. That's
quite a powerful platform, too bad its running microsquash software.
I recently downloaded the x86pc version of AROS. I wasn't very impressed
but that's the only hope for the future.
In closing what is the current cost of a 500mhz PPC (mac) and what is the
cost of a 1000mhz x86 box. With intro of the p4 I think the x86 box is
less. In addition, AMD and Intel are in a fierce competition to bring
out faster chips. x86 wins, If your into donations don't buy 3.9 but
send that money to the AROS folks. In the long run you will be able to
buy faster/cheaper boxes.
New Executive Update : Comment 35 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Buzzy on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Rich):
Oh, come on! A G4@500 Mhz is faster than a PIII@1 Ghz, because of the Pentiums
compatibility to the 8086/8088 architecture. It also needs more power:
AMD@1Ghz65 Watt
PIII@1Ghz33 Watt
G4@500Mhz5.5 Watt
I think I don`t have to tell you the advantages of needing less power.
IMO the Pentiums-Series is a dead end. In some time it won`t be possible
to build faster Pentium-Processors and having 8086/8088-compatibility at
the same time.
New Executive Update : Comment 36 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Rich):
I do not think Motorola will give up PPC development anytime soon.
And the reason that the G3/G4 series has not gone further 550Mhz is a
nasty _bug_ they have overseen AFAIK. This doesn't make it any better
of course but I think once they have overcome this barrier it won't
take them too long to catch up with 1Ghz+ speeds.
New Executive Update : Comment 37 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (redrumloa):
Wrong. I do not own a PC. Back in 95 is got myself a 486 and was so
shocked that I sold it after 2 months. I am even so (ill) Pro-Amiga
and Con-Wintel that I seriously think about quitting computing once
the aminet sees no more uploads.
And I am a developer myself and would pay 200 bucks to get an
update for my miggy. I mean a real one with a new kickstart and stuff.
New Executive Update : Comment 38 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Rich):
Can you tell me whether WinUAE now supports or emulates Ham-8? For
example, for running True Brilliance.
As for OS3.9, I shall be buying it.
New Executive Update : Comment 39 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Tilsted on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Rich):
If Apple was the only one to use PowerPC you would be right BUT PowerPC is used
much in the embedded industri.
Apple buys less then 20% af all PowerPC chips.
New Executive Update : Comment 40 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Fab on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
15.
>MorphOS?
>What a joke!
>A hobby-Os by a couple of hobby coders!
...which is already much more useful than this os3.9.
New Executive Update : Comment 41 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Richie on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Don Cox):
Exactly, one customer is responisble for 19% of sales, 99% of
all CPU sales. The board members of motorola are certainly
looking at Apple sales figures on a monthly basis. Then
asking the questions, how much are development costs and
what is the profit we made on the product last year.
When Apple sales soften, motorola board members get
nervous. History indicates that motorola has bailed on
microprocessor support before. Ironically, a 100mhz 68k
chip will be available soon. Emulated on x86 architecture.
Sure would be nice to buy a 300mhz 68k accelerator board for
the amiga, but MOTO dropped it. I wouldn't cast the amiga's
fate with that company. I surely would not buy a computer
with that company's chip again. Not very many people would.
New Executive Update : Comment 42 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Rich on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Buzzy):
I cannot comment on the efficiency of microprocessor
architectures. 2 to 1 is alot and is hard to believe.
3 to 1 is certainly a stretch.
Power consuption:
PPCno 1000mhz to compare.
I have a p3-500mhz in a laptop, it runs fine without
a fan.
a 1000mhz P3 in a desktop can be cooled.
Although i don't like to say anything good about
AMD, a 1000mhz thunderbird in a desktop can be cooled.
In addition it is a powerful platform which can easily
be overclocked 200-300mhz.
There are also 500mhz AMD laptops which run fine
without fans.
One thing I would like to see is development budgets
at Intel
at AMD
at Motorola
Is moto's budget higher than that new start company
that makes the caruso chip? (x86 architecture)
It's been reported that by "indepenent" press that the P4
architecture may be good for 6000mhz.
Make your own decision, but my next CPU is going to be Intel.
New Executive Update : Comment 43 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Matthew Leaman on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
It is true that AmigaOS 3.9 so far has no really outstanding
developments.
What it provides is a minimum standard for the current Amiga platform.
It means that current Amigas have certain fundemental features that
developers can rely on.
Further development of the Amiga platform ensures that the Amiga is
seen as a "live" platform to the wider computing industry. Hopefully
this development will generate further revenues for Amiga to invest
into projects such as Amiga OS 4.0
My only criticisms of Amiga are:
1. AmigaOS 3.9 should be distributed with the <i>option</i> of
purchasing a FLASH ROM for your Amiga. A one off payment for a FLASH
upgradable rom to replace the existing ones. Then next time when Amiga
OS 4.0 is released it is easy to upgrade- just flash the ROM!
2. A Retargetable graphics standard must be OFFICIALLY adopted and
FULLY intergrated into AmigaOS 3.9- this will prevent the problems we
have seen with Picasso96 Team and Elbox. Amiga could
purchase/licence Picasso96 once and for all. This would allow
graphics cards to be used on the Amiga without the expense of
licensing Picasso96 Development Rights. The Mediator will give rise
to lots of individuals (bedroom coders) creating drivers for PCI
graphics cards- they cant afford to license Picasso96 SDK!!
New Executive Update : Comment 44 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Pete on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Rich):
Eh? Based on linux? Like, no it isn't. In *any* way. Read up about this - it has zero to do with linux. It's Mach.
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Posted by Amifan on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Fab):
But with no software......Making it TOTALLY USELESS!!!!!!!!
<sarcasm>
Hey look i've got a PPC OS!!
Well let's run some games on it :))
WTF!!!! Warp3DWarpos or 68K :(( Shit....so I won't be able to run 3D games fast at all, because if they use warp3D then they are 68K or WarpOS based...
<ROTFL>Yeah...coders can use the rave3d.library</ROTFL>
BUT young man, morphOS got a native YAM2.2 Port....:)
Well yeah cool, my 68k couldn't handle it's speed requirements....
</sarcasm>
Well, why don't you go support MorphOS. Try it, buy it.....
Then we will buy AmigaOS3.9. Run all those nice PPC apps and games :)
New Executive Update : Comment 46 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rich):
It has also been reported by reputed specialists including Dr. Tom that the P4 is a dog with very, very bad FPU performance.
In fact, FPU performance sucks compared to PIII and Athlon.
Add to that that P4 is hideously expensive at the moment and can only be used right now with Rambus memory (instead of DDR or DRAM) which adds further cost to any P4 system.
Oh, and did I forget to mention that P4 sucks when you want to run Linux or use GCC?
Stop reading that "independent" press. Most of these people do nothing more than copy Intel press-releases.
If you want genuine news about IT, read www.theregister.co.uk.
One of the best sources in the world.
New Executive Update : Comment 47 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rich):
It has also been reported by reputed specialists including Dr. Tom that the P4 is a dog with very, very bad FPU performance.
In fact, FPU performance sucks compared to PIII and Athlon.
Add to that that P4 is hideously expensive at the moment and can only be used right now with Rambus memory (instead of DDR or DRAM) which adds further cost to any P4 system.
Oh, and did I forget to mention that P4 sucks when you want to run Linux or use GCC?
Stop reading that "independent" press. Most of these people do nothing more than copy Intel press-releases.
If you want genuine news about IT, read www.theregister.co.uk.
One of the best sources in the world.
New Executive Update : Comment 48 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Buzzy on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Rich):
It`s not about Mhz but about benchmarks. If a G4@500 Mhz is as fast as an
PIII@1000 Ghz I can compare the power consumption of both. Maybe you don`t
need a cooler in your laptop but aren`t you wondering where all these crashes
come frome ;-) No, seriosly. How long can you use your laptop without a break?
I think a PowerBook can run 10 hours!!! Try to do this with a PIII or Athlon
based laptop.
New Executive Update : Comment 49 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
The reason that the G4 hits the ceiling at 500 MHz, is because it only has a 4 stage instruction pipeline. This is typical of a RISC CPU, and is good for speedy instruction execution, but as i mentioned, it limits max clock speed.(for comparison the Pentium IV has a whopping 20-stage pipeline). The G4e will have a 7 stage pipeline, which will allow it to run at much higher clock speeds, but we have yet to see a tentative launch date for this CPU. last i heard it will be available sometime in Q1 2001, perhaps even later. (this CPU will also include on-die L2 cache, improving speed even further)
New Executive Update : Comment 50 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Richie on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
From the register,
Reader John Welter of North West Group, a Canadian
Geomatics firm specialising in orthophotography -
stretching accurate photographs of the Earth's surface
over elevation models of the same area - volunteered us
some interesting information on his company's
experiences with an early P4 system.
When using the original code, a P4 system took a glacial
19 hours compared with just under 13 hours for a
933MHz PIII. But with code recompiled to use SSE2,
the P4 galloped through the test in a shade over seven
and a half hours.
"It all comes down to the fact that running today's code
the P4 is a dog," Welter told The Reg. "But once the
code is optimised for it then it really can wake up and
perform quite nicely.
Outperforming Alpha
"A P4 at 1.5Ghz is now faster when running optimised
code then our Alpha production boxes by a sizable
margin, where those same Alpha boxes outperformed all
our P3 based systems.
"Intel did not take the x87 FPU performance as a prime
design goal in the P4. They focused on the SSE/SSE2
unit much more and made sacrifices to the X87 FPU
side of things to gain more SSE2 performance. Some
may argue this was a bad trade-off but the improvements
they have managed on the SSE2 are very impressive.
"Geomatics is extremely CPU intensive and pretty much
100 per cent bound by CPU performance. For this
reason we obtained an early 1.5GHz P4 despite the
inflated costs in an attempt to determine how much
added performance it would give us in reducing our
production times.
Staggering
"The results are a bit staggering and maybe of interest to
you: Baseline: Intel OR840, PIII-933, 1GB RDRAM (4
x 256MB, 800MHz), 144Gb of RAID0 storage (4 x
36GB 10,000rpm U160 SCSI drives off an Adaptec
29160 controller)
"Process the "Calgary" test data set on this machine
using original binary: 12.8 Hrs.
"Intel 850 motherboard, P4-1.5GHz, rest of system
exactly the same as above. Process the "Calgary" test
data set on this machine using original binary: 19.4 Hrs.
"Process the "Calgary" test data set on this machine
using a recompiled P4 optimised binary (Intel's V5
compiler plug in for Visual Studio): 7.6 Hrs. (All
testing was done under Windows 2000 with SP1.)
"As you can see once SSE2 optimisation is enabled on
the P4 it can really cook performance-wise. But, when
using the old X87 FPU instructions it is a total dog that
even a Celeron could possibly outperform.
I don't know. But I would perfer a port of amigaOS to x86 not ppc
Hey if you don't like intel there's amd. with the ppc its wait for MOTO
and nothing else. BTW the most CPU intensive task i run is winUAE.
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