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Posted on 27-Nov-2000 19:04 GMT by Christian Kemp57 comments
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christophe Decanini noticed there's an interview (in French and (English) with Ralph Schmidt of MorphOs fame on on AmigaImpact. He also provided a summary (read more below).
  • Limited (68k) support of mediator if no use of MMU tricks.
  • Support of G-REX hardware (G-REX software is done by MorphOS team).
  • Eyetech products support will be decided once available.
  • Elbox did not contact Morphos team and MorphOS team do not think a lot of PPC owner will adopt mediator.
  • MorphOS team members are part of Bplan, MorphOS will run on Bplan hardware. There will be an announcement early december.
  • Morphos need to be working stable on CyberstormPPC and Blizzard PPC to be sell as a commercial product then MorphOS will be hardware independent to run on new bplan hardware. Perhaps it will also run on Macintosh. No X86 port expected.
  • Recompiling a warpup application is the only way to run it on MorphOS.
  • Name of developers for MorphOS application will be anounced in december.
  • Not decided yet on how MorphOS will be sell. OEM, from Vapor online web or from other distributors.
  • MorphOS team could adopt the type of developpers structure Vapor is using today.
  • A third beta version of MorphOS should be out in next weeks with PPC version of MUI, YAM, CED, MagicMenu, AmiTCP, ADE. All PPC users should try it and give feedbacks to enhance MorphOS.
I did not verify every point of this summary, please visit the original in case of any doubts.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 1 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I wanted to say a Ralph Schmidt interview, not article :)
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 2 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Stéphane "SteaG" Campan on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
An english version is now available at the following address :
http://www.amigaimpact.com/articles/interviews/00/morphos-e.shtml
Please, note this one is NOT an automatic Altavista/Go translation.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 3 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
What does "hardware independent" mean in this context? That the
Amiga custom chips will no longer be needed for AmigaOS to run?
Or that they will no longer be needed for *MorphOS* to run?
In other words: will MorphOS allow the classic AmigaOS to run
on bPlan machines without additional legacy hardware?
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 4 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
YES!!!MUI, YAM, CED, MagicMenu, AmiTCP, ADE.
That why I always wanted a PPC os..... Forget the cool games and WarpOS apps...
No really, why support WarpOS??
Gee......I might better get this new Amie or whatever it's called next gen. OS afterall...
H&P, AmigaOS4.0PPC (WarpOS) please???
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 5 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Buzzy on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amifan):
Oh yes!!! I thought that too. It was really hard to make YAM 2.2 work on my
040 :-)
Another point realted to tzhe interview:
I own a BlizzardPPC+BVIsion. Why shouldn`t I buy a Mediator?
With it I can have a G3/G4 and I`m indepedent from a certain accellerator
(in this case BlizzardPPC). Or does DCE plan to produce a G3/G4 card which plugs
in the G-REX which plugs on the BPPC which plugs on the mainboard?
And have you seen the G-REX ad? It comes with a flashrom. That doesn`t mean
any good ;-)
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 6 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Buzzy):
Oh, yes...
...but first you would need some drivers.
...which will Elbox probably never care for.
Bad luck, having a fat CPU & GFX card and no software to run on it ;-0
Andreas
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 7 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Stephan Neise on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Hmmm, bPlan was supposed to produce the AmigaOne computer in Q3/2001.
Isn't there a slight conflict of interests?
Anyways, this is sounding VERY promising. bBlan is working on a PPC
multiprocessor platform, does this sound familar to anybody? Pre/Box?
Phase-5 is back!
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 8 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Now that the Classic Amiga obviously gets the last chance to be pushed
over to some more uptodate technology I fear things might get fucked
up again! Too many possible directions, too many PCI boards, too less
drivers and - on top of that - different parties not supporting each
others hard- or software. Too much arrogance at the community's
expense! Sux!
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 9 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I know that Ralph and co is doing the software for the bplan systems, but what wasn't asked if this whole MorphOS thing will be 100% compatible with AmigaDE or AmigaONE systems in accordance with the Amiga Layer that is planned. Personally, I won't bother with MorphOS unless that is the case. Besides, isn't the WarpOS technology supposed to be going that route?
(putting microphone next to speakers... because Ralph requested feedback)
enjoy.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 10 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Thanks..but Jesus and Mary Chain's feedback sound on their early cds
shows more creative talent:-)
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 11 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
now who the hell would purchase MorphOS??
CK can you make a poll for this?, "Would you purchase MorphOS?"
I wouldn't....
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 12 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Sigh...more and more anonymous posters here...
So..why wouldn`t you buy it ?
To make it easy i wrote down some multiple choice answers.
1) One of its developers is Ralph Schmidt.
The Darth Vader of the amigascene which is
evil down to the core and eats little babies
for breakfast.
(In an alternate reality i`m a veggie but who
cares for facts when innuendo and prejudices
are so much more entertaining)
2) It`s not from H&P.
The angels of the amigascene which do everything
from the pure heart only to bring forward amigaos.
They would never ever put their own gain over the
amigan`s so everybody who doesn`t like them
must be boycotted..
3) It`s not marketed under the name "AmigaOS" and therefore
must be boycotted as it "splits" the "market".
4) It does not support WarpOS. "THE" standard under AmigaOS
which is supported by billions of apps and games which
no PPC owner can live without.
5) AmigaDE is the future and AmigaOS itself should be buried.
6) 1 penny would be too much.
a) because amiga sw should be free
b) he doesn`t deserve to earn money because he`s
an asshole extraordinaire.
c) the work is pointless
7) I only wanted to write something negative about the
product because it feels good doing so.
If somebody has better answers...this would give us the opportunity
to create another 100 articles thread.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 13 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Nils Mokleiv on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Seems to me it is the community that's arrogant.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 14 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ralph Schmidt):
give me a good reason why I should give you money for MorphOS?
how will it benefit me and my ppc card?
You saying your emulation is better than the $300 I spent on my 060 cpu?
I tried morphos beta, it was slow with 68k apps, about 2x and it didnt work with picasso96, gfx was screwed....
ok give me a good reason to purchase your software...
But you would probably say "to take full advantage of MorphOS", you would have to purchase it, than purchase CyberGFX5 to take advantage of MorphOS, than purchase another add on, than purchase all the other redeveloped software for it, the list goes on.... I'll be paying 2x for everything again. When I paid for CyberstormPPC I got ppc.library which I assume was included in the price. Now I have to pay again and again and again... this is worse than servicing a vehicle at the mechanic, every 5,000miles thats another $100 thanks... its the same with your software, nothing but a circle of trapping people....
atleast warpOS is free
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 15 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
>give me a good reason why I should give you money for MorphOS?
>how will it benefit me and my ppc card?
>You saying your emulation is better than the $300 I spent on my 060 cpu?
Not the currrent one...no
>I tried morphos beta, it was slow with 68k apps, about 2x and it
> didnt work with picasso96, gfx was screwed....
That`s correct. You probably use a Picasso4 where p96 seems to have
an access problem with the PPC being too fast/outoforder.
>ok give me a good reason to purchase your software...
>But you would probably say "to take full advantage of MorphOS",
>you would have to purchase it, than purchase CyberGFX5 to take
>advantage of MorphOS, than purchase another add on, than purchase
>all the other redeveloped software for it, the list goes on....
>I'll be paying 2x for everything again.
CyberGFX5 *is* part of MorphOS. No external product.
It`s also very likely that we will open its driverapi
for MorphOS.
CED ppc is free for CED 68k owners, current MUI PPC Beta
costs nothing more.
All this depends on 3rd party developers choice if they
wanna see extra money for a PPC version.
>When I paid for CyberstormPPC I got ppc.library which I assume was
>included in the price. Now I have to pay again and again and again
>.. this is worse than servicing a vehicle at the mechanic, every
>5,000miles thats another $100 thanks... its the same with your software,
>nothing but a circle of trapping people....
Well..I don`t think Vapor will ask extra money for the PPC version of
Voyager either. But i don`t really understand you....wouldn`t be the
gain of a PPC Browser(let`s just play this through) not worth it
for a user ? I can`t imagine you don`t care for faster apps ?
Look..it all depends on what kind of apps you use today. As you can
see we go for daily work apps like Internet applications(YAM,V,TCP/IP stacks),
developer applications(gcc, ade) where i think it`s a must have now.
For normal user apps like editors(CED). Where it looks weak now are
gfx applications but that`s an area we talk with developers.
If most of your daily apps gets faster but a few not that important
ones get a bit slower this is an easy tradeoff in my opinion.
People only have to see the enourmous speed advantage the native GCC/ADE
enviroment gives developers over the 68k or powerup/warpup gcc versions.
>atleast warpOS is free
Sure...but you can`t really compare these products in any way.
MorphOS combines components with together several work years.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 16 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by silverdr on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ralph Schmidt):
Ralph. Don't waste your time. I believe most of those anonymous
don't probably get your point anyway. Once your product is ready
they will understand what it is all about.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 17 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ralph Schmidt):
ok great, I understand now... just as long as you have 68k emulator optimized on morphos, and you bundle all morphos applications inc. cgfx5/mui ppc on CD... I would purchase it, and I would pay extra if there is a WarpOS emu for morphos.
But just make sure CGFX works fine with P-IV, I have had many probs with CGFX4.x and p-IV where the output is not as clear as P96.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 18 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by yet another anonymous moron who couldn't spell his on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ralph Schmidt):
(dropping in the DVD of "Cyrano de Bergerac")
dans le nez!
For not being the most well liked Amigan out there, you hit the nail on the nose.
(for you english speaking folk who refuse to watch good international movies, that would be Roxanne with Steve Martin).
the man in the shadows
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 19 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ralph Schmidt):
> >give me a good reason why I should give you money for MorphOS?
> >how will it benefit me and my ppc card?
> >You saying your emulation is better than the $300 I spent on my 060 cpu?
> Not the currrent one...no
I must disagree with you, Ralph.
As I understand it, the 68k emulation should only be used as a bridge to get all the 68k programs to work right away. The main advantage is that you can finally make a 100% PPC app, as 68k<-->PPC context switches aren't slow. I really don't care that much if the 68k emulator is slower or faster than my 040, all I care about is getting some more PPC apps with FULL speed.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 20 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Mark Olsen):
My point being that the emulation IS better than the 060, even if slower.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 21 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Heine on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
For me, MorphOS is almost perfect, it seems - with the "almost" being
that it's not called "AmigaOS 4.0" only. All that *I* currently would
need is no extremely abstract "Amiverse" but just a WB3.1 on faster
hardware. What kind of applications do I use most currently? Voyager,
Microdot2, CygnusED, FinalWriter. So, since I think it's not too
unlikely Vapor would also port MD to MorphOS, I just have to pray
we'll see also a good wordprocessor for this new OS and then there
seems to be nothing to stop me in continued enjoyment of the amigaish
look&feel. Especially since it's very unlikely the sales of "AmigaOS
3.1.9" will enable a future PPC-version of the real AmigaOS. I'll buy
it anyway, to keep both possibilities open, but I'm also saving my
money already for the bplan-PPC. A big "thank you" to the MorphOS-team
for you effort!
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 22 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Richie on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ralph Schmidt):
This is the correct concept for the farther development of amigados.
Get away from propriatery platform. Port it to MAC hardware as well.
But, I wouldn't buy it.
It doesn't run on x86 platform. The price performance champion.
Look at PC box prices compared to ppc box prices. how much do
you want to pay?
$1000 usd gets alot of computer in the us. i don't know how it is
overseas.
Good luck
Rich
toshiba p3-500 winUAE + iBROWSE
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 23 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Richie):
Yeah, it's people like you that cause superior products to disppear in favor of their cheaper, lower-quality counterparts (Beta vs. VHS et al, just about anything vs. Wintel, et al). In the end, you get what you pay for.
You CANNOT convince me that the PC architecture is the best there's ever been for any computer platform. It's cheap because the patents were given away by the makers. They gave them away because they saw no future for such an inferior computer design. Sure it's gotten to the point of superiority because of the sheer numbers of people and dollars driving it. But the fact that it's so widely accepted as the norm makes it close to impossible for machines with better underlying architecture to surface long enough to be recognized by the mainstream.
A great big thank you and a big wet one right on the kisser.
As far as the Haage & Partner vs. Phase 5 conflict, I don't know the gory details and frankly I don't want to know. While I believe it would be best if they'd work out their differences, it clearly isn't going to happen. If history repeats itself, the last one standing will be the cheaper, inferior product thanks to the attitude demonstrated by "Richie".
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 24 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Frederik on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Well I do not use MorphOS.. yet... I could not get up and running on my machine.But I do think that MorphOS is really great, it is the way forward for classic amiga OS, if only it would be warpOS and Warp3D comp. so I can use wipeout, heretic II, descent and all the future warpd 3D/PPC games. We all know that some do exist..
And it would be nice if I can use them... and all the other apps...
Kind regards Frederik
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 25 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gürkan on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Hi
Let MorphOS and AmigaOS be seperate things.
Yes, MorphOS does 68k emulation of AmigaOS software,
but it can't be AmigaOS officially...MorphOS team
doesn't have AmigaOS sources, they can't port
entire AmigaOS to PPC. They can only replace some
parts with their backward compatible modules...
I think to survive MorphOS should be a seperate
OS (like QNX) and should have its own developers..
If it gets accepted someday, we may see game companies
converting games to MorphOS (like Quake3 demo on QNX)
You can't ask MorphOS to support Warp3D or Hyperion support
MorphOS..it won't be a reality...
I am one of the OS3.9 beta-testers..OS3.9 is not superb but it is another
brave step in right direction..I will also buy MorphOS when
it is out.It is a brave step,too...I setup a seperate partition for MOS, and new software released for MorphOS makes me happy...
So I think we should support both AmigaOS3.9 and MorphOS...2 years ago Amiga had no chance to survive...Now it has 2 small chances to survive...one as OS3.9 and other as an 68k-compatible MorphOS..It is really up to us...These blind fights won't take us anywhere...
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 26 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mark Olsen):
For me the main point of MorphOS is to get rid of the 680X0 so we can have cheap PPC accelerators. Then being hosted onto a real PPC kernel with PPC filesystem and PPC GFX system developers can start to make pure PPC applications and step by step change components of the OS with newer enhanced PPC version.
On the user point of view it is useless until we have new G3/G4 and new PPC application. One interesting feature would be a libnix for morphos that would run all existing linuxPPC applications, and why not a carbonlib emul also ?
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 27 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
It's unfair to knock the attempts to create something new and positive, in the form of MorphOS, OS3.9, PPC cards, whatever, but *please*, be realistic:
There just is not enough PPC software available. The 68K emulation and backwards compatibility *has* to be good, otherwise you are paying for a downgrade, from the POV of most apps. It's the old, old problem: nobody codes stuff for a little-used system, nobody uses a system for which nothing is coded.. Sigh..
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 28 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by David Gerber on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Martin Heine):
>So, since I think it's not too
>unlikely Vapor would also port MD to MorphOS,
This is on my todo list.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 29 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Frederik Yssing on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Well MOS would also be nice on BoXeR (if it is ever finished) or POP from IBM..
ANd with CGFX already supporting PCI, well how difficult would it be, to make MOS
and CGFX run on boxer or POP ???
MorpOS is really a very good idea, and a very good alternative, which may be the way for classic
amiga.. lets face it.. we won't have much new hardware. well not motherboards that is..
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 30 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Rich on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Roj):
Thanks for making my point.
Alot of what you state is true.
Nowdays computers are so fast that the best architecture is NOT
needed to "go damn fast". This elbox controversey is a moot
point. PCI video cards are dead. If you want the fastest
cards they are AGP now. soon they won't make video cards for
the pci. my 200mhz has pci only. year ago i decided to upgrade
the video card. only like 10-20% of cards were pci. i don't
think that elbox, picasso, amiga are going to drive development
of pci video cards. there are alot of sub 50$ sound cards through.
I want to "RIDE THE WAVE" and have something good.
Whats the point if there's somethine great if it costs
1.5-3x as much and few business people support it.
PeeCee's may indeed suck, but one doesn't need to agrue about
video-bus drivers for an antiquated stanard video card.
The power of many LOW profit magrin sales beings much
R&D investment.
I wish good luck to the morphOS team, because they may
have a change of heart and port to x86. I would buy that.
Rich
P3-500 laptop netscape 4.7 today
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 31 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by bbuilder on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I think Ralph & Co should try to work with H&P, Eyetech and Amiga Inc (and why not even Elbox), so that there would not be so much incompatible products.
How are MorphOS people going to make sure that OS3.9 works with MorphOS?
How about OS4.0 (or is it even a competing product with MorphOS)?
How about porting MorphOS to VP?
(some time ago I was hoping that MorphOS is the solution what Amiga inteds to use for the Classic compatibility, apparently that is not the case...) :(
The main reason why I perhaps might buy MorphOS is because I like to support good efforts.
In perfect world I would be able to use MorphOS, though.
(I will not buy CSPPC+DCEbusboard, not sure about bplan device)
Hey people, do you think that CAIPIRINHA might make a comeback inside the bplan's box? ;)
(it might be a plan B now, when G800 is delayed...????)
-bbuilder
(originally aBox Builder ...) ;)
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 32 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Could MorphOS co-exist with AmigaDE on top of Quark kernel/RTOS?
(I mean if AmigaDE will someday be able to be hosted on top of Quark...)
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 33 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kojak on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I don't know about you people, but I'm sick of this bull*peep* :P in the Amiga community and I will keep my wait and see attitude until there is (in my opininion) a real new fully functional ATX form Amiga PCB with a Kickstart(!), AGP, PCI and 4 DIMM slots.
So what if it looks like a PC motherboard, as long as it has the same Amiga Intuitive feel, thats's all that matters to me :)...
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 34 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kojak on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
By the way, give Ralph Schmidt a break. It's always easier to complain than to be constructive. At least he is creating something he believes in...
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 35 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Christophe Decanini):
EXACTLY!
H&P could have provided this years ago, but they blew their chance.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 36 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kojak):
Exactly!
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 37 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Sinan Gürkan):
Yes, this is a very good remark. They should be looked upon as two different OS'es and not as a replacement. It will never work that way because of the deep crack between PowerUp and WarpOS.
When MorphOS appears I will probably buy it, even though I have had some critisism at Ralph. But to be honestly, I think that the PowerUp/WarpOS problem probably is a bit of the fault of bothsides.
Don't get me wrong though. Amiga OS 4 is the thing I really want.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 38 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 27-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Mark Olsen):
I don't agree with you that H&P blew their chance. As far as I can
see Amiga haven't let them (and others) do a PPC port of the AmigaOS
for one reson or another. Maybe they feel that if AmigaOS PPC is
released it would damage thier customer base for the DE.
MorphOS is a good concept, and Ralph should be commended for giving it
a shot. I wish him all the best. Whether or not I buy MorphOS
depends upon if it supports the SharkPPC card. This is the only PPC
solution I will consider, it is the only modern PPC solution that has
a decent price. I'm getting a mediator anyway becuase I just want a
CHEAP GFX card system. If the SharkPPC is good then I may get it. If
not, then I'm quite happy with my system as it stands, and my next
hardware purcase will be a PC.
This Elbox/DCE/MorphOS/Eyetech/H&P war is destroying whats left of the
market altogether. When they find they have no customers left they'll
know who to blame (HINT:it won't be each other)
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 39 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Balder Mørk on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In a perfect world....
Both Ralph & co. and H&P would swallow some pride, and make a
functional system that ran both MOS/PUP and WarpOS apps. Although
Ralph won't admit it, WarpOS is the most popular solution for Amiga
PPC cards, what with Warp3D and the coming games etc. Please people,
make this work! I don't care if it's impossible. That hasn't stopped
any Amiga developers before:) Just make MOS/PUP and WarpOS live
happily together, and I will gladly pay for them both.
Balder Mørk,
one of the Amiga users that actually
_buy_ software and hardware.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 40 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Andy Hall):
I was not talking about a AmigaOSPPC, but rather the "Black Box". The Black Box is an 68k emulator which allows for AmigaOS to be run completely on the PPC chip, within WarpOS. It was finished July '98.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 41 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Andy Hall):
EXACTLY. I thing you got the right point, and to be honest I WANT to support ANY
development on the amiga platform , BUT I'm not rich enough.
And also I belive we are very few people in the community to support too many different approaches in the amiga platform..
Developing for amiga IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
Mister Ralph I have a question about you... but not ONLY for you.
As I can see you have leadership abilities so I challenge you for community's sake
Why don't you approach all major SW/HW developers to find a common solution ?
Going alone means you can't take ALL the community with you even if your solution is the best.
If the community split again will die and for you and ALL the OTHERS developers will be a wasted time with no profit.
Ofcourse all these are self explained if behind of all this is HATE.
YES this is the way to REVENGE H&P, Elbox, DCE Eyetech, etc.
This words going to ALL developers that didn't try to cooperate with others, I'm writing to you because this article is for you.
Hope at least you, know what are you doing for community's sake.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 42 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (StormLord):
>Why don't you approach all major SW/HW developers to find a common solution ?
>Going alone means you can't take ALL the community with you even if your solution is the best.
>If the community split again will die and for you and ALL the OTHERS developers will be a wasted time with no profit.
>Ofcourse all these are self explained if behind of all this is HATE.
>YES this is the way to REVENGE H&P, Elbox, DCE Eyetech, etc.
>This words going to ALL developers that didn't try to cooperate with others, I'm writing to you because this article is for you.
>Hope at least you, know what are you doing for community's sake.
This is sort of difficult to answer....
Let's put it into several parts...
0) We asked and still try to ask amiga developers with known applications
to get them in the boat. As you can see for several developers this
already worked and more will come.
We wouldn`t have got access to sources like MUI, AmiTCP, CED and more
if a lot old class amiga developers wouldn`t have any faith/trust in us.
You also have to convince developers that it`s worth to do a PPC
version and that also depends on the users.
The Pagestream author for example would need 100 interested people
and HW to be convinced to do it.
1) There are colliding interests....all the companies wanna earn money
so agreeing to some cooperation about products where these compete
seems to be almost impossible in this small market as everybody
fights to survive.
2) We have offered Eyetech to support their AmigaOne1200 design
for a unified strategywhich Eyetech doesn`t seem to be
interested into for reasons which can probably attributed
to their HW developer`s connections.
There`s no bad blood or whatever involved here...it`s just
how it is.
3) A common SW "agreement" has the consequence that somebody has
to support *every* company with a specific product. How do you
think this would be possible with the limited resources ?
Therefore I think it makes more sense to focus on the HW
product which would bring the amiga market forward as it would
provide a fresh uptodate HW base...something we miss for *7*
years. When the SW is fully stabilized, portable, not depending
on Amiga HW anymore we have more options for a wider HW support.
But that isn`t just the case at the moment...
so..plain resources reasons.
4) About the splitted market thing.
The market has already splitted into several fractions..
o The people which use 3.5
o The people which don`t use 3.5
o The people which use warpup
o The people which use powerup
Some older "splits" which don`t seem to play a big
role anymore were
o CyberGfx/Picasso96
o MUI/Classact(Reaction)
And if we get a convincing product done which also attracts
the common WarpOS user which only uses it for its ppc SW and
not because of some idiology group thing going on i`m not
afraid.
But for people which made it their own jihad though they are
in no way directly involved they will definitely have a big
personal problem.
5) About "cooperation" in general.
This requires...
o no big production collisions. If not this only works if there
are good/respectful and closer relations between the developers.
That`s not easy...
o a common goal
As you look around every amiga user has his own opinion how
something must be done as he builds up a personal relation to
his amiga/os.
To attract everybody with one product is a difficult task.
o *trust* is the most fundamental element.
If you can`t trust one party(which is the case between H&P and
some people inside morphos because of past events) this is
impossible.
If you think somebody betrayed you one time you usually never
wanna have anything to do with them anymore in your life to
give them another chance to do the same.
As developers aren`t that much different:-) this is the same
problem here.
There`s nothing to be repairable there anymore...
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 43 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ralph Schmidt):
Well, if this is the case then don't come crying to us when the market collapses and you are al left without customers and the users are left with no suppliers. Maybe it's heading this way for some time, but with attitudes like that it isn't surprising.
"The Amiga COMMUNITY" - how ironic.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 44 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I run WarpOS so I have the greatest amount of software available to me.
I'll try MorphOS beta3, and if it works great, if not i'll fill out a bug report form.
It seems slightly that MorphOS is a backwards step, suddenly we all have to wait for software to be ported again.
But surely its better that the hardware we have is used for more than a few old games, mpegs and datatypes?
I probably won't dump WarpOS for MorphOS, at least not straight away... I'll just set up a second partition with WarpOS...
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 45 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
I like the idea behind MorphOS. I believe in it.
But.. I hate that noone can co-operate! Noone can stretch an inch to work something out! Why spend money, time and skills on so many different, but yet so equal products, when a cooperation would make everything better;
- more completed products
-> more trust/faith from the consumers
-> bigger marked
-> more income for everybody, if one don't look so short ahead.
-> cheaper products
Someone does something good, what happens? Someone else tries to ruin everything in different ways.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 46 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
Hi
Unfortunately both H&P and MorphOS team passed the point of no return long ago..They have burn the bridges.
Only hope that we have is Eyetech AmigaOneA1200, BPlan PPC have triple boot flashrom or software that can boot AmigaOS3.9, MorphOS and Linux/PPC...
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 47 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anders Kjeldsen):
>Someone does something good, what happens?
>Someone else tries to ruin everything in different ways.
Haven`t you noticed that this is root of the amiga market for maybe
a decade ?
Somebody invents something and somebody thinks he knows it "better"
which mostly ends into cloning.
Aminet is full of xyz versions of the same idea.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 48 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
To be honest I belive morphOS is a great idea, it's something like apple did with their macOS to change from 68k macs to PowerMacs.
Maybe amiga don't like doing the same cause amiga's market is now VERY small and want to attract new customers.
But I belive that MorphOS will sink to death if Ralph and his team don't AT LEAST make moprhOS combatible with ALL NEW amiga ppc models, like eyetech and EVEN elbox.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 49 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (StormLord):
I doubt the MorphOS team have infinite resources to write driver
software for all these hardware ventures. Even after the initial
driver, theres testing, bug fixes which would all drag down progress
of the MOS in general.
A better idea would be to open the MOS PPC interface for the PPC card
developers, maybe charge a flat fee to gain technical info (thus
providing some income to the MOS team) and at the same time increasing
potential market sales for both sides, without a real conflict of
interests. MOS team make sals of MOS and hardware developers make
dosh because theres a *good* product to run on their new PPC cards.
Ralph Schmidt interview : Comment 50 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Nov-2000 23:00 GMT
All right, seeing that Ralph is here I'll ask this again...
What does "hardware independent" mean in this context? That the
Amiga custom chips will no longer be needed for AmigaOS to run?
Or that they will no longer be needed for *MorphOS* to run?
In other words: will MorphOS allow the classic AmigaOS to run
on bPlan machines without additional legacy hardware?
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