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[News] Message from Fleecy MossANN.lu
Posted on 08-Dec-2000 13:16 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä24 comments
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In a message forwarded to the Open Amiga list, Fleecy writes: "I am happy to tell you that we are weeks away from the release of the foundation of the AmigaDE. I refer to the Amiga Component Model or ACM. This is a component model that has learnt the lessons from the existing component and object models, whilst adding the features and functionality necessary to push the AmigaDE far beyond its rivals." They are lookign for a testing group for the technology. Read the full message below.

Message from Fleecy Moss, CTO of Amiga Inc.

Hey guys 8-)

I know many of you have been chomping at the bit for the next generation AmigaDE technology, and also wanting to help Amiga.

Well, I am happy to tell you that we are weeks away from the release of the foundation of the AmigaDE. I refer to the Amiga Component Model or ACM.

This is a component model that has learnt the lessons from the existing component and object models, whilst adding the features and functionality necessary to push the AmigaDE far beyond its rivals.

As it is the foundation, it has been written in VP, although future versions will have mappings to many other languges, chief among them C++.

What I am looking for is a small group of individuals who are comfortable with VP to join a testing and development group.

This group will use the ACM to develop 4 blueprints, gif, animated gif, jpeg and png.

The Amiga Component Model uses an interface aggregation model, so those familiar with that will find it easiest to use.

What will need to be done is for the group to describe a 2D image interface, which will provide a common set of 2D operations valid for all 2D images. Then, if required, other interface will be needed to add the operations specific to the other images - again, where possible, an interface should be capable of being shared - it is a description.

Once these have been okayed by our multimedia team, the separate interface tools will be implemented, completing the blueprints.

Then the fun begins, we can create components and see if they work.

Jesse is finishing up his part in the ACM and will shortly begin work on the persistence service. This service will use a simple interface tentatively called serialisation, which supports two operations, serialise and unserialise. Each blueprint will also provide an implementation for this interface, allowing us unitially to stream the images in and out (so that we can load and save them using Elate), and giving us something to test once the persistence service reaches a sufficient stage.

This is probably the most important thing we have ever asked the open group to do. This is the first external testing of a rare and waiting to be broken technology, but one that is vital to the AmigaDE.

As there are 4 blueprints required, we need four people. If others wish to participate and can suggest another format, then all the better 8-)

Another purpose of this is for us to get the questions that developers will ask written down, so that we can create proper documentation for when the ACM is released to the outside world.

Can those interested please contact Gary [Peake]. An NDA will be required and Gary or one of his guys will provide support for the team. I will be on the list as well to help and explain.

Cheers.

Fleecy Moss
Chief Technology Officer
Amiga, Inc.
TEL (425) 396 5660
FAX (425) 396 5671
fleecy@amiga.com
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 1 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Baute on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I don´t know if you people realize that this is the decission point in the short history of Amiga Inc.
A Component Model is crucial for what they are planning (what with distributed computing and everything). Many have flamed them for not doing a 1:1 implementation of CORBA. It will be interesting to have a look at how this ACM has been done.
GUIs can be changed. Look & Feel can be changed. With the Tao Elate foundation, platform and CPU can be changed. But industrial customers (those with the big purses, mind you) will judge Amiga Inc. by how easy it is to implement what they need their software to do, down core.
If this ACM is a brilliant piece of engineering, it will be a big asset to ensure Amiga Inc. is here to stay. If it´s shoddy workmanship, it´s bye bye Snoqualmie.
I´m looking forward to it´s release, hope and fear mingled as it has been for so much time now...
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 2 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Pete on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I'd, like, definitely contribute, if I knew squat about VP coding.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 3 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by anymouse on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Pete):
Then learn it, as I hope to shortly. It is to bad that they do not come out with a book like www.rebol.com did for thier REBOL technology. It would be nice if we had a book Amiga INC!!!!!!!!!
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 4 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Anyone else notice that Amiga is basically getting tons of dev work done for them to make an OS, and not paying a dime for it?
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 5 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Luca on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nathaniel Downes):
Where did you read they will not pay the four people they are asking for?
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 6 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Baute on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Uhm, I forgot, it is also the first major part of the AmigaDE actually done by Amiga Inc., not Tao. (Or at least, it´s the first _obvious_ part...)
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 7 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by STRICQ on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nathaniel Downes):
Proof. You need to back up your claim that Amiga Inc. is not paying for work done. Do you have any?
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 8 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Mark on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nathaniel Downes):
Oh yeah, this coming from the god of hardware design, "Nate Downes", who thinks that he can and does everything better than Amiga Inc. For ***** sakes Nate, stop whining.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 9 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by theJUDGE on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (STRICQ):
Why does he need to supply proof, isn't it obvious? By using the amiga name their
hope was to enlist the goodwill of a once prolific group of developers, to help them
build a viable platform, obviously not for free (SDK cost $99 here), they even are
so bold as to charge for the priviledge to develop for them, as well as reserve the
rights for future earnings on said developments.
Regards
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 10 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (theJUDGE):
They are not working on this in spare-time. Go Linux.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 11 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Lancelot Du Lac on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nathaniel Downes):
No where in the email did Fleecy say the developers would NOT get paid, on the other hand he never said they would either. Since I seriously doubt you have seen the terms of any agreement regarding the developers I don't see how you can justify your comments. We don't know what, if anything, Amiga is offering the developers who apply for the task. If the agreement doesn't meet the developers liking, they can most certainly deny the tasks.
It simply amazes me how many people think it's appropriate to just make such blind accusations without a single word of proof to back them. If you have proof to back your statement then please inform us, otherwise, please stop spreading unsubstantiated rumors.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 12 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (victor #):
Well, not even Linux is for you (because there is many contributing in Linux really just for fun, while the distros make money), but M$...
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 13 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Well, I don't know whether they will pay contributions or not, but the point, IMHO, to take part in making a new system which is a joy to develop commercial software for, later...
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 14 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by James Whelan on 07-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nathaniel Downes):
Hi
Whether they're getting paid or not, it's good to see Amiga Inc. incorporating users in the community to shape what we're going to be using. Although I know diddly about VP coding, it's nice to know that if I did, I could help take part. You don't see many other companies (no names mentioned) doing that.
Regards
James
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Posted by XDelusion on 08-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I am pretty happy, I was not expecting an update to the Classic OS, so now I am all ready for that, not to mention yet another totally new OS.
Life is good, I hope these GUI's make me feel at home.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 16 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Ken on 08-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
This sounds very progressive indeed! Even though I haven't a notion what the hell it means ;)What I would like to know off Fleecy or anyone in Amiga Inc is how they are matching up to their plans. A simple "It's going swimingly" will suffice. Maybe someone could ask this in IRC at WOA.
Me<---saving for ADE.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 17 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Lancelot Du Lac):
Doesn't the tone of the message suggest the people would be doing it out of good will? Usually, when a company wants to hire engineers, it doesn't "ask" for people to come forward. It hires them. Usually if a company intends to pay, it says so as part of the announcement by using the vocabulary of a company hiring staff.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 18 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Ken on 08-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (gary_c):
Jeeze, what's with the speculating??? I'm sure people will be compensated for their work. Even if they aren't, Amiga won't be holding a BoingGun to their heads....they can just walk away. Lets them worry about it.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 19 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by XDelusion on 08-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I'd settle for a free trip to Amiga Inc. Probably not much there but a small kitchen and a coffee pot, but hey, why not!?!? :)
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 20 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 09-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (STRICQ):
$99 for an SDK. Enough said.
And on that note, I did pay $99 for the SDK. I was even impressed with it, just not enough to dismiss ghosts that may pop up from time to time.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 21 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 09-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Mark):
If you saw someone tap dancing in a minefield and saw that right to their left is a mine, would you not cry out?
I've never claimed to be better than Amiga, Inc. I could never have created an OS, even with the core work done for me. I'm in awe of people that do make OS's. But I do know a few things about business, about marketing, etc. If Fleecy has gotten the 1.5 million pre-orders for AmigaDE then they're off on a good start and I tip my hat off to them.
BTW, I'll ignore that personal flame, since frankly it was worth less than the rAM needed to store it.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 22 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 09-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Lancelot Du Lac):
I did no such thing as accuse them. I said did anyone else notice it, or was it just me? That is me saying "hey, something does sound off-kilter, could someone please clarify?"
$99 for an SDK is still kinda funny when you're trying to built a market, but I do understand their logic behind it, and $100 isn't much for such a product.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 23 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nathaniel Downes):
It says "first external testing" for a reason. It's supposed to
test how familiar and productive external developers can become
with the model - and how long it takes for them to reach a certain
degree of familiarity.
To do that you need, erm, external developers. To find certain
answers it's no good trying with Amiga's own team.
Message from Fleecy Moss : Comment 24 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Lancelot Du Lac on 10-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Nathaniel Downes):
> I did no such thing as accuse them. I said did anyone else
> notice it, or was it just me?
> That is me saying "hey, something does sound off-kilter,
> could someone please clarify?"
If that is what you were trying to say, then maybe you should have said that, instead of what you did say which was, and I quote:
> Anyone else notice that Amiga is basically getting
> tons of dev work done for them to make an OS, and
> not paying a dime for it?
Your above statement does not indicate any question on whether or not Amiga is paying for development, the only question proposed in your above statement is whether or not anyone else noticed what you seem to know. My response was questioning how you could know such a thing as a fact and that if you don’t show proof, it is only an accusation.
I do apologize if I misunderstood your original post due to its’ lack of clarity and since you have now clarified I will answer your question.
I can agree that the tone of the email may make one wonder whether or not any of these developers are getting compensated. However, as was my main point in my previous post, since we don’t know what agreements are taking place between the developers that qualify and Amiga, we don’t know what, if anything, these developers are getting. However, since most developers won’t do the work if they don’t agree to the terms, we can assume that these developers get some form of satisfactory compensation, even if that compensation is simply personal satisfaction for helping Amiga Inc. release the AmigaDE.
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