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[News] Bars & Pipes goes open source?ANN.lu
Posted on 12-Dec-2000 17:17 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselš18 comments
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Amiga-news.de posted a message from Todor Fay, formerly the lead programmer of Blue Ribbon Soundworks, creators of the legendary Amiga sequencer Bars & Pipes. Fay writes: "I've gotten clearance to release the source code for Bars&Pipes to the Amiga community." Read the full message below.

I think we can work towards a better solution:

I've gotten clearance to release the source code for Bars&Pipes to the Amiga community. This means several things:

1) Known bugs can be fixed.

2) Perhaps y'all can create special hooks for real time services (timer, midi in and out) in the Amiga code so it can connect more directly with the services in Windows. It's pretty amazing that timing works at all, given that it is running on an emulation of the audio interrupt (kudos to Brian King!). 'Course that would require changes to WinUAE to support this.

3) Port Bars&Pipes to Windows. If people want to collaborate on such a project, I will very gladly provide advice and assistance.

At this point, I'm collecting together the source code. I need to work with one or more developers who have Amiga dev environments up and running to help put this together. We need to make sure everything is there and compiles correctly.

Any volunteers?

Todor

Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Ross on 11-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Why not talk to Amiga University, since they also have the whole program available.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Brent Santin on 11-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Oh my Gosh! Thank you, thank you! This is amazing news for the Amiga musical community! I hope things can get moving right away on getting an updated B&P for the Classic Amiga, including updated GUI and better interfacing with AHI and RTG cards.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by EMRL on 11-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
This is AWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSome News, as I am an owner of the one stop Music shop card and software. This is REALLY GREAT NEWS.
I would love to see this software ported to the New Amiga DE environment. Windows Midi Software just Blows Chunks!!!!!!!
PIPES RULE!!!!!!
my .02
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by darthanoia on 11-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
count me in :-)
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by John Niclasen on 11-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I'm using the old, but still surprisingly usefull, Music-X. Can't someone find that somewhere in a corner and get it open-source also?
Thanks!
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Now if they`d add a digital version of the manual I`d be happy. I can`t use it because I can`t make head nor tails of it.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I must say i like Bars & Pipes a lot! Used it with my A500 many years ago and YES! - it's a great program. ;-)
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
I would vote B&P the best program in the history of Amiga (ahead of Scala and Lightwave)
This program was innovative when it came out and it is still more than usable these days.
Multimedia capabilities, object-oriented, extensibility, .... CLASS ACT
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Ale on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I'd like to see this software ported to the New Amiga DE environment.
Thi is would be a kill app.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Richie on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
I am saddened that such a fine program cannot be
sold profitably in the Amiga market.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Franklin Cheney on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Richie):
When Blue Ribbon Soundworks sold their business to Microsoft, some
speculated that MS only wanted to incorporate code from SuperJam into
a competing MS product...and with the nice side effect of killing
one of the last high profile multi-media apps on the Amiga. I still
think they NEEDED the dead carcass of such an app to disect, hoping
to learn something about how multi-tasking is successfully implemented
from the application side of code. They probably bought the OS code from
IG and MA at an earlier date...I purchased B&P 2.0, and when I called
Blue Ribbon to see about 2.5, they said they had changed ownership and
no longer sold the Amiga products...althoudh many dealers were stuck
trying to sell 2.5 as a dead-end app without lowering the price accordingly.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Richard C. Long on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Amiga development has been biased to the visual medium while
overlooking digital and midi-audio advances for years, since the Microsoft
purchase of Blue Ribbon Soundworks and Bars & Pipes. I haven't been
attracted by Octamed, Camouflage and other programs in the European
marketplace. The program needs to be optimized for U.A.E. and the new
Amiga DE with support for PCI digital audio and USB midi and digital
audio on Wintel platforms. People need a reason to go Amiga DE on their
windows machines. I have the last Amiga B&P Software and it was great,
but since Amiga never committed to 16bit audio, the program has no Ahi
support, and Amiga audio cards are mostly unusable for pro apt, you need
window PCI audio cards or drivers for the new Amiga PCI machines.
AMIGA developers EVENT ELECTRONICS, MARK OF THE UNICORN, KORG, LEXICON
etc. make professional audio cards with Multiple (more than stereo) ins
and outs, drivers please (enough sound blasters).
P.S. Where's the Audio in Amiga DE?
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
Sorry to be cynical, but why are the few remaining competent Amiga programmers going to fix bugs and make modifications to one of the old Amiga's highest-profile packages to make it easy to port to Windows? Make it compatible with newer Amiga systems, recode it for PPC or AmigaDE, but don't give the "opposition" quality well-liked apps from "our" work! :-0
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (amorel):
Mike Clark is making an HTML version of the manual.
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (John Niclasen):
Here's the web site of the author of Music-X and of version 2 of
DeLuxe Music.
He might tell you who owns the rights to the code if you ask him.
http://www.sylvantech.com/~talin/
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by szutowicz on 12-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
I concure. Lets get it to Amiga DE or PPC before we consider Windows.
Also, ProStationAudio Supports Bars And Pipes, if you use it, get the demo and check it out foryourself, you just may be surprised, or visit www.audiolabs.it
Me(-:
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by adrian beith on 13-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (szutowicz):
i agree. If a port to AmigaDE were to go ahead, it would also be available on other operating systems hosted. This could be the first serious music program available for AmigaDE :)
Bars & Pipes goes open source? : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Pascoal on 18-Dec-2000 23:00 GMT
A new version of B&P pro is an excellent idea !!! :)
With a good support of AHI, PPC and new standard GUI will be excellent.
Really excellent news for Amiga musicians :)
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