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Posted on 06-Feb-2001 22:33 GMT by Christian Kemp34 comments
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There's a new executive update available at Amiga. Bill McEwen says Contrary to the rumors and what many people are saying about our demise, or that we are going to have the same fate of the others before us, we have a big surprise for all of them, and promises that all will be known in six weeks at the St. Louis show.
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Posted by Sir RUSH on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Personally, I'm not into listening to all the rumors & hersey. We have far too much of it happening. I also don't believe Amiga Inc is having a MAJOR problem as what's been spread. But as usual, we shall wait & see.
Go, AMIGA, GO!!! Rule The Computer Future!!! Micro$oft, hopefully is NOT
the future!! I for one am looking foward to a New way of Computing. It seems that many of the people where I go to school are UP on the news. AmigaDE, Amiga1, it's all making news. People here in California are very interested.
If THIS is any kind of indication then I'm sure you guys are NOT set to FALL as others would have us believe.
Rock ON!! Crank up the RUSH (Rock'N'Roll) & BOING Everyone!!!!! DOWN WITH
MICR0$OFT!
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Posted by jer on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sir RUSH):
he he he he..... :))
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
They haven't delivered on the SDK with better sound and 3D (have they?), so they haven't delivered on every announcement they made (this SDK was also mentioned in Melbourne by Bill according to the video clips from there, was it not?). They are now, what, two months late with this one. I can understand being late, but claiming to have delivered on each announcement is a bit much...
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Posted by Scott Kurtz on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sir RUSH):
Re "rumors and hersey"-by "hersey" do you mean "heresy" or "hearsay"? Or even both?!
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Posted by Hagge on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sir RUSH):
"Micro$oft, hopefully is NOT
the future!!"
Never been, never will =P
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Posted by Anonymous Coward on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
It was announced for march, wasn't it...
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Posted by Sir RUSH on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Scott Kurtz):
Both. Sorry to be confusing and for the spelling errors. Dyslexia can hit hard sometimes and when it does it's like seeing what isn't there, for me. :) or :( Hehe.
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Posted by Dave on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous Coward):
Yip - this was mailed to me from Bill McE on Jan 19th:
"In test in the UK at this time. We expect to see it out to everyone around
end of February/middle of March."
Cheers,
Dave.
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Posted by John Block on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Sir RUSH):
Nah, you were just hungry and meant "Hershey".
I was looking forward to taking delivery of my amigaone in March. Or is this up to Eyetech still on track and this is going to be new news.
Nicole, you have my email :)
Maybe that's the news: Nicole and Bill?
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Posted by Mikey C on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (John Block):
Well if it's Nicole and Bill...
A) I'm Jealous
b) Lucky Bugger!
But if it's Bill and Tom...Well...... ;)
Regards
Mikey C
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Posted by John Block on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Sir RUSH):
I used to get all the sums wrong at school.
Being dyslexic meant that while
copying the sums down from the blackboard, the figures would get jumbled.
Even if I worked out the sum written down ok, the answer would be wrong!
"p" for "dunce" :(
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Posted by AmigaPower on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sir RUSH):
Amigans
As I'm quite glad to read this enthousiastic comment from this Amiga Advocate.
I've been with the Amiga since the 80's and will purchase more Amiga systems
as the need arises. For now I have in que another A4000T with RTG and DSP
sound-card, and when avaiable and AmigaOne.
HEIL AMIGA!
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Posted by AmigaPower on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
The only other OS's which have a good chance are imho MacOS (ease)
and linux (the power of GNU-software)
--
Later!
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
MS is something much better - the present, and that's we'll always be living in!
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Posted by hagge on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous Coward):
not from the beginning
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Posted by hagge on 06-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (AmigaPower):
i don't care if all else runs the same os as me, as long as i like it. my box runs openbsd2.8 right now *waiting for amigade*
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (AmigaPower):
Heh? MacOS?
The new MacOS is a nightmare. There is nothing easy about MacOSX.
This is not the type of OS that Mac users are used to using. It will
be an entirely different beast to most Mac users.
It has little in commen with any past MacOS's. They have been promising
a true preemptive multitasking OS for years. Talk about vapor!!!
The only way they could do it was to totally abandon the past OS
of the Mac and they have basically gone to UNIX.
I've read plenty of horror stories about MacOSX. It's dog sh*t slow
even on very fast machines with tons of ram. Then there's that
shell that will push most past Mac users into cardiac arrres!
Apple is going to lose a huge share of it's userbase with MacOSX!
There will be nothing easy about it unless they do a h*ll of alot
of improving in a very short time.
If you don't believe me visit:
http://www.macosx.com and read the fourms! You will be both frightened
and amazed at the trouble that apparently "advanced Mac users" (this
has got to be an oxymoron...hmm), are having with this HUGE piece
of buggy BLOATWARE. MacOSX will probably be the final nail in Apples
coffin!
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Posted by Tron Man!!! on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Hey
I followed that URL and guess what.. most of the feedback on OSX was..wait for it.. very POSITIVE!!! Whats this hatin' on the Mac all about anyway?? Uh, hello, we're also an ALTERNATIVE platform FIGHTING hard to be thought of as RELEVANT in some way, in this WINtel world of ours. And besides, the dual G4's kick even my beloved Athlon's ass, its just too bad about Apple making it so that they are essentially the only ones who can get enough PPC's to do anything with. Shit like that is the problem I have with Apple, I think OSX might be pretty cool. Hey, if Jobs (Uber-Wanker that he is) were running CBM there would be (1) a CBM still in existence and (2) We'd be MAC users, the joke of the computing world instead of having bought the stylish Amiga instead. Now if Jobs would only allow Amiga DE to run on the Mac, then this bitchfest would be over with a quickness..
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Posted by Stefan on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Hopefully, the "good announcement" will be that they have secured some more financial resources to continue their concept development. I recall that they had plans to offer stocks to the public as a way of raising more money. But the poor development of the stockmarkets the last year (and this year aswell) spoiled those plans - at least for the moment.
So perhaps the old venture capitalists (who put in the seed capital) now have sold their shares to another investor, who is willing to put in some more money?
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Posted by Colin Wilson on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Tron Man!!!):
If the Tao core runs on the hardware platform, why would we need permission from Apple for people to be able to use the AmiDE on a Mac ?
That line of argument is like saying "it`s an x86, you must run windoze"
If it could be made to run hosted like the `doze and linux variants of the SDK, then it might grab a bit more marketshare maybe...
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Here we go again.
Will it be BIG?
Will it be rev-o-lu-tion-ary?
Will it be another crock of "we areg oing to release something wonderful next year" vapor?
Or will they find a new way of building our hopes up only to dash them when we realise the truth once more?:(
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Posted by Martin Baute on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Colin Wilson):
Erm, in fact this _is_ a problem. Remember when Apple denied Be the information on their G4 machines? Be couldn´t support the G4 architecture.
There´s more than being able to run on the target _CPU_ - I am confident that the Tao stuff runs on the PPC allright. But, to support the _machine_ (as in PowerMac *whateverthosenumbersmean*, Cube etc.), you have to have information about the _architecture_, like chipset, interrupt handling etc. This is done by the PII layer of the Tao system; and I seriously doubt that Jobs gave his thumbs up on an Apple PII. And without the OK from Apple, any hacked-together PII would be reverse-engineering, and as such an infringement in copyright.
Then again, I might be wrong on all this. Go ask Tao and Apple. ;-)
On a different note (in reply to post #12, to be exact): I am ashamed that people like you call themselves Amigians, too. It´s stupid enough to hop up and down chanting "aMiGa RuLeZ" and stuff like that, but your last line makes me feel really sick.
To end this post with something more cheerful: Amiga Inc. is now in business for a little over a year. When EsCom was in charge, a year was what it took them to present the ridiculous Walker design (and going bankrupt). When Gateway was in charge, a year was what it took them to present their QNX concept.
I feel that Bill and staff are taking big strides towards their goal. I hope they don´t get lost, and that they find enough supply on the road as they go.
My best wishes to them. As an IT professional, I would like to see an alternative to Windows (monopoly, monoculture, get-me-money-fast-but-don´t-ask-for-value), Linux (if people can understand it, it has too few options), and Apple (which, as a system, is so great and successful they even have MS Office, MS Internet Explorer and MS Outlook. Cool.).
;-)
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 07-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Martin Baute):
Erm, no, that was just an excuse from Be.
How do we know?
Easy - just look at anyone running LinuxPPC on said Macs.
QED :)
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Posted by James Jacobs on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
It's fairly easy to read between the lines of what Bill has said. The first two are fairly definite, the third one just seems to fit the timing.
What the announcement means:
1) Announcement of OS4.0.
2) Exhibition of prototype AmigaOne, and schedule for mass-production.
3) Release of new SDK (if not released earlier).
ALL HAIL THE AMIGA!!
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Posted by WattsM on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
As a somewhat ascerbic note, Be never said that they couldn't reverse-engineer the way LinuxPPC did. They said that they *wouldn't.*
If you paid much attention to the history of BeOS, you'd note that it was *never* ported to the PowerMac platform as such: it was ported to the Power Computing platform. Be cancelled the BeBox because they saw a much better opportunity with Macintosh "clones"--by licensing BeOS to Power Computing and having it shipped with every new Power Computer machine, they wouldn't have to be in the hardware business, their distribution would be much wider, and they'd be getting OEM licenses for every clone sold.
Then, Steve Jobs returned. This was two nails in the coffin: Jobs didn't like the clones, and had no reason to like software that was essentially written to support them. And, Jobs and Gassee had no love lost between them. Given that Apple's refusal to share design info was a direct strike at the business model Be had been relying on, it would not have been paranoia on the part of Be to assume that reverse engineering on *their* part would have been met with animosity that would never have been directed at the Linux geeks. (And Be couldn't use the work LinuxPPC did, as some people keep insisting; incorporating GPL code directly into their proprietary OS would not have gone over very well.)
In summation, BeOS died on the PowerMac platform for political reasons, and the politics were not Be's. Q.E.D., indeed.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Tron Man!!!):
I read your post and guess what? Ummmm...I don't think you did
very much reading! Alternative platforms are a great thing to
the Win/Tel stranglehold, however as I orginally stated this
is not what made the Mac popular with the average users, and
it is not going to be accepted by the majority of Mac users
as most do not have the knowledge to run a bloated version
of basterdized UNIX like this! Period...
That was the whole point!
I suggest that you spend more time scouring the fourms. I think
you've been reading the wrong pages and a few recent comments.
Perhaps you better take a gander at this link:
http://www.macosx.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=722
Here you will find numerous accounts of how miserably slow
it is even on the most powerful machines, etc.
It starts with this post, which I've included part of here:
Hello,
Actually I am glad that people are discussing this, but it raises a
HUGE issue with me.... First of all, I'm a UNIX systems integrator,
but I love the Macintosh interface....
It troubles me *tremendously* that Macintosh users are going to have to
contend with the UNIX shells, etc just to get something done.. This is
simply not what the Macintosh should be about....
I think that Pandoras Box has been opened here and loyal Macintosh users
are going to be fed up with this very quickly....
I've not seen one post yet siting the ease-of-use of OS-X, which is indeed
what the mac is suppose to be about.. Instead there are posts of stuff like:
"login as root"
"cd to /"
"chown on this"
etc...
As much as I love UNIX, I never wanted to see it on a Macintosh and this
really *really* is a shame for all Macintosh users..
<much more interesting stuff cut for brevity. However, I think you get the
picture! Again, this is NOTHING like the MacOS that people have been using
for years, and with a certain few "geeks" who will use this bloated monster,
again I state that Mac users will be bailing out in droves!>
Sincerely,
Greg Saylor
Senior Systems Integrator
Integrated Suport Services
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Posted by Stew on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (John Block):
------DYSLEXICS, UNTIE!!!!!!--------
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Posted by m0ns00n on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
The biggest problem in the world of capitalism and development, is that the big bosses all seem to have a bizarre way of thinking. As goes for Amiga Inc, there is so much they ought to have done by now that I don't know where to start! (Open Source OS3.1, supporting AROS, using AROS instead of UAE/emulation etc(when running OS apps)...)
Now they have come up with AmigaDE, and in the beginning, they spread the word and showed off their progress, but now, all we get are smell hints and bits and religious assurances. I don't know about this. Amiga Inc does not feel like a professional company / opposed to Tao.
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Posted by MAS on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
"again I state that Mac users will be bailing out in droves!"
Could be, but where will they go? Many of them are as anti-M$
as Amigans. I'm under the impression that OS 9.X development
will continue even after OS X comes out in March. That may
be where the less hardy (& geeky) Mac useres will retreat to,
for the time being. Only bleeding edge early adopters will
jump on the OS X bandwagon initially, I think.
I don't know how these same Mac users would view the DE. If the
intreface isn't pretty they would not be very enthusiastic, I
suspect. I do know that the DE better be suitable for easy to
use themes, skins, or shemes (just a click away - not as com-
plicated as current Amiga "classic" desktop customization).
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
What bullshit you posted! OSX, as is being reported by the people using the pre-release candidates (are you one of them? - didn't think so) which has the DEBUGGING CODE REMOVED (remember that all publicly-released versions up to this point have had debugging code in place) are very very fast, especially on the dual-proc G4's.
The beta was released for developers to get a better sense of what was going to be in the final, it was not so end-(l)users like yourself could get the OS for $30 instead of $129. It also helped Apple get feedback on what developers would like to see in the OS when it gets released. It is a good sign for Apple that so many non-developers decided to pay for a beta release and not wait for the real OSX.
I will agree that there are many Mac users who will not accept the UI of OSX. There are many things about it that are just poor ideas, much like the Quicktime 4 UI debacle, most of it in the implementation of the Dock and the separation of the Finder and Desktop (though Apple has backtracked a bit on the latter). I also anticipate a very, very slow migration to OSX for graphics and video professionals. I have two Macs, and one of them will NEVER see OSX installed, not because of the UI, though, because the machine does a specific task well and I do not want to risk losing that ability. In fact, that machine runs only OS8.6, as the OS9 variants caused some things not to work properly.
One thing that is great about this OSX, contrary to your opinion, is the UNIX functionality. UNIX (including all variants) are only the most robust freakin' OS's there are. IT/Web professionals are happy to see this, as this means Apple finally can get into the server market and people can finally install standard software packages instead of freaky Mac-based bastardizations of software (MacPerl comes to mind). Linux/BSD cats are interested because porting their software to OSX won't be the same hassle it would be for, say, Windows or the current MacOS, which means that this could really expand the Linux and BSD software markets.
OSX has a command-line shell (finally, something MacOS has been missing ALWAYS) but if you are a lunkhead and cannot figure the cmmands or filesystem out (even though the OSX filesystem makes a lot more sense than, say, the Irix or Solaris filesystems) you do not have to use the command line. The GUI (Aqua) is different, there are a lot of things wrong with it, but the OS itself is very powerful and, given it has been open-sourced (Darwin) you may see other GUI's for it later down the road. If you haven't even used it, don't spout bullshit about it!
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Posted by tronman on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Wait a minute (while I'm on this subject) Mac OS was based in part on UNIX anyway!! Why do you think MAC OS has no manual floppy disk eject among other things, why it spasms like it does if you manually eject a disk, or why Fusion doesn't really handle CDROM disk changes like a real MAC. It can't because most real MAC's can't eject a CDROM manually (with the button) without freaking out. These are symptoms of MAC's reliance on the UNIX filesystem beneath, that you never see. Apple's MAC has always been tied to UNIX in some fashion, now they're finally legitimizing that tie, and that's a good thing.
Oh, yeah-Amiga's SDK won't run on it, not because of some arcane inability to run on PPC hardware, but because Apple's firmware WON'T LET IT. Nothing that isn't a new MAC OS will run on a new MAC period. Another one of my personal beefs with Jobs, but thats neither here nor there. So grab a clue, stop judging the new OS X by a pre-release beta!
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Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Sorry to interrupt the MacOS discussion. :-)
But I just read one of Fleecy's posts in the AmigaOne mailinglist, in which he stated that one of the announcements will be a road map of the next 18 months.
Carry on... :-)
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Posted by John Payne on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but...
* on 2/6 Bill McEwen said "in 6 weeks, it will all be known"
* six weeks from 2/6 is 3/20
* 3/20 is the opening date of the Game Developers Conference in San Jose <http://www.gdconf.com/> which Apple will be attending
* the 3/24 release date for MacOS X coincides with the last day of that conference
* Amiga 2001 <http://www.amiga-stl.com/> doesn't begin until 3/30, more than 7 weeks after Bill's 2/6 note
MAYBE Apple has decided to include Tao/Amiga as yet another API in their new, multi-API operating system.
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Posted by Martin Baute on 15-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (m0ns00n):
> As goes for Amiga Inc, there is so much they ought to have done by
> now that I don't know where to start! (Open Source OS3.1, supporting
> AROS, using AROS instead of UAE/emulation etc(when running OS apps)...)
All of which are things which *you* think "they ought to have done". Those things were never on their schedule, and they never made any secret about it.
The strange thing about capitalism is, those who have the money make the descissions; and they make it because they want to make profit. As simple as that.
> Now they have come up with AmigaDE, and in the beginning, they spread
> the word and showed off their progress, but now, all we get are smell
> hints and bits and religious assurances.
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