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Christophe Decanini quotes a message from the Eyetech website dated 8th February 2001: It is confirmed that Warp3D support (developed by the Frieden brothers & Sam Jordan) will be present on the AmigaOne. Hyperion are to supply games to be bundled with the AmigaOne 1200/4000 boards. Happy Machines, Inc have announced that a version of their 3vix video codec will be launched which will natively on the AmigaOne.
Amigaone news : Comment 1 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Hi!
... actually you can assume that all Software complying to the WarpOS-Standard will run on the AmigaOne,
as they are using the 68k Emulator Package from Haage&Partner which is based
on WarpOS (usage of the H&P 68k Emulator in AmigaOne was announced on the WoA
show in 2000 by EyeTech, no details are known yet, there was just a sheet on
the presentation which read on the list of partners: "Haage&Partner: 68k
Emulator, Classic AmigaOS" - but you can assume this will mean full WarpOS
compatibility).
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 2 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Steffen Haeuser):
This are some more informations on the OS / Software side.
We still need to have more information on both hardware and software:
What are the clock multiplier ?
Will it support multi CPU cards ?
Will the AmigaOne 4000 support Zorro3 and video slot cards ? (Toaster, Picasso 4, Genlock ...)
Will it come with an PCI SCSI driver ? (A lot of people have SCSI only).
...
Amigaone news : Comment 3 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Steffen Haeuser):
What has this WarpOS crap to do with the AmigaOne? I thought we will see
AmigaDE runing on it?
Amigaone news : Comment 4 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Steve):
Hi!
So you want EyeTech to let the AmigaOne hardware lying around in their shelves,
until AmigaDE is ready for PPC and also for sale? That is not a serious option.
And there *is* a market for AmigaClassic based G3. Because of that
the AmigaOne will come first - this was announced at the WOA 2000 - with support
for AmigaClassic, and later - when it is available - there will be a software
update so that you can also run AmigaDE on it.
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 5 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Steve):
WarpOS crap???
Euh oh no let me guess, MorphOS?? woehahahahahaha ahem.....Compatibility is the key..... Can't imagine you didn't figure it out yourself
Amigaone news : Comment 6 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amifan):
Stupid If you think WarpOS is a solution its same bullshit like powerup.
But has better propaganda people behind which blinding the community with wrong
information and MorpHOs has much more potential as you think. Your lame
posting explain a lot, you have never test Morphos yourself only posting what
other guys has implanted in your mind. Robot controlls :)
Amigaone news : Comment 7 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Steve):
Hi!
Still I prefer a PPC-Native system with WarpOS compatibility to one with
ppc.library compatibility. Features MorphOS-guys are advertising with (like
integration into exec, PPC Native RTG) can not only be done with MorphOS...
Once you have a 68k Emulation running (and H&P have this since QUITE a time)
you can work on other PPC-only things too asides from the Emulation... and you have to admit,
H&P had a lot of time since they first had the 68k Emulation running...
And there are some things WarpOS offers MorphOS never did (like Warp3D and
MiniGL). And now even one more feature: A new hardware which is really decent
on the horizon :)
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 8 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Steve):
> Stupid If you think WarpOS is a solution its same bullshit like powerup.
> But has better propaganda people behind which blinding the community with wrong
> information and MorpHOs has much more potential as you think. Your lame
> posting explain a lot, you have never test Morphos yourself only posting what
> other guys has implanted in your mind. Robot controlls :)
Huh? OK, I want PPC so I can use iFusion when released. Oops, MorphOS can't run it.
I want to play Heretic II. Oops, Morphos can't run it. I want to play Wipeout 2097.
Oops, MorphOS can't run it. I will want to use Hyperion's real3d port. Will MorphOS
run it?? Strange that you tell me MorphOS is a better solution... I see it rather
useless, though if they support AmigaOne I will play with this new OS some anyway,
but my "real OS" will be what actually does what I want to do.
Amigaone news : Comment 9 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Steffen Haeuser):
Yeah, they had it lying around since summer '97 or '98(can't remember), but never did anything good with it. Things would have been a lot less painful for a lot of us if it wasn't for those damn slow crosscpu contextswitches.
Amigaone news : Comment 10 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Bill Toner):
Saying that one system is better than the other just because of the softwaresupport is lame. I guess Windows must be your favourite OS?
Amigaone news : Comment 11 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Bill Toner):
What does software counts if it has to run on a unstable system? Since I have
installed WarpDown nothing works fine. Serveral not explainable crashes, system
slowdowns aso. Os 3,9 is a complete disappointment 800 Ös wasted for nothing.
Also MorphOs has already a WarpDown emulation which works faster than the original
one. Therefore MorphOs is my choice and not WarpOS.
Amigaone news : Comment 12 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
I will stick with my 68k Amiga, as none of the PPC ppl have got any tempting stuff to offer. A fast cpu, yeay?! What about good apps, like Aura? Real3D is great, but you can already buy that for PCs, like rest of the games. We need native apps, and we need a NATIVE OS! I just REFUSE to have my prime OS as an emulation, what is that?
Amiga 68k is great cause it has great apps and runs them natively. No apps are available for PPC that makes me want an upgrade? What, an mpeg player!? Games? I've been without games for years due to the amiga situation. I don't like 3D slaughterorgies. Ahhrg, I'm getting bitter! >:oD
Amigaone news : Comment 13 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by SimplePPC on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (m0ns00n):
Morphos has advantages over current PowerUP and Warpup. It was designed from the start to
offer an emulation and native CGX System, Native AHI, and Native EXEC and much more.
Rumours are that it runs all WarpOS based stuff, including MiniGL and Warp3D.
BUT Morphos doesn't support the Mediator as Ralph has said countless times and it
bever will because he thinks it's a hack. As early BPPC's can't handle a Bvision( like my 200mhz one)
it's a pity i cannot use it. Morphos would have been nice to run on PPC cards and new HW.
Amigaone news : Comment 14 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (SimplePPC):
Sure they can, it's a bug in MorphOS, but it can be circumvented. It's a problem with AllocVec and MEMF_CLEAR|MEMF_REVERSE.
Amigaone news : Comment 15 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Steve):
I have serious doubts that WarpOS causes instability.
If your system is unstable, you have either configured it incorrectly or there is some kind of hack running which is not tolerated. (Let me guess, you are using a BlizzardPPC?)
We got Heretic 2 through extremely rigorous quality assurance at Activision and if WarpUP would be inherently unstable, there would be no chance in hell you could buy it right now.
Do you think we are maniacs and prefer to develop for an unstable solution just for the fun of it?
If Morphos/Powerup were superior in terms stability, we would prefer that solution because nobody wants to develop for something which is unstable.
Amigaone news : Comment 16 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (SimplePPC):
Hi!
You assume that for WarpOS developement is standing still... who does tell you
that there is *no* PPC Native RTG for WarpOS, for example ? :)
And well... Emulation is no good solution. Potentially it is slower (there WOULD be
some serious problems due to the way the MorphOS 68k Emulation handles the
r2 register), and also it might not be compatible with future enhancements
of WarpOS. And of course with future PPC Hardware Drivers being handled by
H&P - well, WarpOS has the advantage here. While MorphOS will still be tied
to the old outdated hardware... until it dies.
Also think of this: With WarpOS being used in the AmigaOne, it is very likely
that it will progress much faster than MorphOS. You can assume that H&P and
EyeTech will be interested in this. The developement is not standing still.
BTW: Your "PPC Native AHI" is an impossibility. AHI uses an 68k interface. It
has PPC Native Mixing, yes... so what ? Games always do their OWN mixing
anyways. The thing which should be PPC Native is the *Sound Drivers*. And
they are still 68k on MorphOS (okay, Emulated 68k, but 68k nevertheless...),
as they are 68k for AHI principially... no matter what Kernel...
As to stability: I always had VERY bad experience with Ralph-Schmidt-Software
concerning stability. Okay, for MorphOS it is much better than ppc.library...
but WarpOS is also perfectly stable, and these are FACTS (of course it turns
unstable if you run a ppc.library Application - but if you do not run any
ppc.library programs - or only in Emulation - it runs perfectly stable).
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 17 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I have an A4000 PPC200 60er together with a C-PPC. I have also Heretic2 one of
the best games ever BUT it`s crashing also serveral times especially when i make a
short pause let Corvus hunting flies my system freezed. Whats that? With Quake
(Powerup) i never had such crashes. Also I have Ncoder and I have used it on
both PowerUP and WarpOS but on WarpOS it crashed or freeze (i have encode one
night long, my baby has not done anything else) and next morning I see WarpDown
has crashed again, the same music at different places sometime it works for two
three hours sometime it crashed after 15 minutes. I never had this with the powerup
version of Ncoder, how do you explain that? RC5 is also a good example the WarpOS
client also crashes serveral times the powerup never!
Thats why I`m sick of all the patchwork with WarpOS and PowerUp what we need is
a NATIVE PPC system and not that WarpDown and PowerUp crap. Therefore i will not
buy the eyetech board it senseless I would purchase the same I already own with
all its disadvantages, no not me. I`m waiting for a addon board or standalone
computer with a native system. I have waiting so long that another half year doesn`t
count.
Amigaone news : Comment 18 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Steffen Haeuser):
Warp3d and MiniGL are only interesting if you want a gaming machine. I don`t
want that. therefore WarpDown brings to advantages for me.
Amigaone news : Comment 19 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Mark Olsen):
It's not a bug in MorphOS...
we just work around some hw problem.
At least that's the current explaination for it.
Amigaone news : Comment 20 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Steve):
This is not because of WarpOS but your inability to configure your
system propertly... Just throw out all heavy hacks(system not cosmetic
such as executive) and install a decent cooler. My system has been
cracking rc5 for endless nights without EVER locking up. It is
PERFECTLY stable. The ONLY ocassion Heretic 2 crashes on my machine is
when it gets out of memory. Just go out and ask anyone his opinion
about WarpOS. ALL the ppc owners I know are VERY happy with WarpOS.
I also like MorphOS a lot but there isn't a lot to run on in(no WarpOS
emulator). I run it anyway when something new gets released for it or
when I wanna try out the speed of my ppc.
Just try to reconfigure everything in your system AND ESPECIALLY rip
off some patches. and it will be fine. Executive(if you use it) is the
worst enemy of WarpOS on my system and it causes problems with AHI
too.
Amigaone news : Comment 21 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Matt on 08-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Don't you people ever stop whining?
Use the solution that works for you and SHUT THE FUCK UP about everything
else that you don't agree with. All you do is create a crappy atmosphere
for everyone. So you don't like WarpOS? So what? So you don't like MorphOS?
So what? Don't use them! Quite griping!!
Matt
Amigaone news : Comment 22 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Steffen Haeuser):
"SH" == "Steffen Haeuser" writes:
SH> And well... Emulation is no good solution. Potentially it is slower
SH> (there WOULD be some serious problems due to the way the MorphOS 68k
SH> Emulation handles the r2 register),
Ah, it's so nice to see a well informed comment from someone who has
such a deep knowledge of the inner working of MorphOS as you. I mean,
you really know what you are talking about, right? You wouldn't happen
to be trying to spread bullshit by attempting to impress non-programmers
with the use of pseudo-technical buzzwords and facts look-alikes?
SH> And of course with future PPC Hardware Drivers being handled by
SH> H&P - well, WarpOS has the advantage here.
Of course. H&P has so much experience in writing low level drivers for
new hardware. I mean, R. Schmidt and F. Mariak have only written all
drivers for Phase5 hardware, while H&P has -er, wait-, ah yes, they
reverse engineered ppc.lib.
SH> While MorphOS will still be tied to the old
SH> outdated hardware... until it dies.
Right. Ralph Schmidt has always stated so many times that his goal is
to stay on PowerUp cards forever, and that it will never ever move
to anything else. Thank you for reminding us about that.
SH> Also think of this: With WarpOS being used in the AmigaOne, it is
SH> very likely that it will progress much faster than MorphOS.
Ah, yes, obviously. 'AmigaOne' is a magical work that makes all
progresses faster.
SH> You can assume that H&P and EyeTech will be interested in this. The
SH> developement is not standing still.
..while the MorphOS team sits there, wasting time. How nice from
you to demonstrate that in such a brilliant way.
SH> As to stability: I always had VERY bad experience with
SH> Ralph-Schmidt-Software concerning stability. Okay, for MorphOS it is
SH> much better than ppc.library...
SH>
SH> but WarpOS is also perfectly stable, and these are FACTS
Yes, while me having a perfectly stable system with ppc.lib is only
a figment in my imagination. People complaining that WarpOS make
their system unstable are deluding themselves too, or are making
something wrong. The "fact" that you have stability problems with
ppc.lib (you really have, right? You wouldn't happen to be lying for
the sake of an argument, would you?) can not possibly your fault.
Amigaone news : Comment 23 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
I think it's obvious to anyone interested in the AmigaOne that WarpOs is the better choice. Even from reading the above comments it is perfectly clear that WarpOS is being continued with all due priority upon a smooth integration with the new DE, whereas MorphOS, good as it may be, seems directed toward the small number of PPC cards currently in use. I'd like to see MorphOS running on something with a little more penetration than that. At least when a nice standalone Amiga finally ships new users won't have to buy 9-year-old computers before even choosing a PPC processor. But wasn't the MorphOS idea tied in with bPlan or Escena or someone?
Amigaone news : Comment 24 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ralph Schmidt):
Yess!!! All guests arrived at the party :)
Well Steve, there might be two sollutions to your problem:
1)If a programs crashes, then incease the stacksize
2)Running ppc.library as your primary kernel and use the WarpOS terminator while executing a WarpOS program?
Then put BPPCfix in your startup-sequence for a clean booted system. If you need PPC.library compatibility then install the emulation library.
(I only use it for APDF btw)
About MorphOS:
Yes I did try it ofcourse (all versions). The first versions refused to boot on my blizzardPPC. The last one did, but when I want to test the speed, I realised that there isn't much to test it :)
MUIPPC??? I thought that YAMPPC speed thinks up, but the slow (on a 603e) 68K emulation delivered me the same performance as i'm used to of the normal 68k version.
So what else? Almost all program are still 68k or WarpOS....hmm...datatypes....WarpO version do a great job.
But as Amiga and it's developers are moving forward(?) to de AmigaDE then what's the point of MorphOS? You can have fast (PPC) hardware to run the AmigaDE AND 68K AND WarpOS/Warp3D programs on.
Don't get me wrong, I rather see a New AmigaO version thn this foreign OS with an Amiga label on it, but if it can run classic amiga progs warpos/68K faster then this BlizzardPPC piece of crap(read: outdated slow and with a f*cking worse a1200 expansion connector) then why not?
Steve, you don't need a gamesmachine, but with the current support for MorphOS, it looks like you don't need an amiga at all :)
Amigaone news : Comment 25 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
You may not have some technical knowledge, but you seem to have no knowledge about WarpOS OR Ralph schmidt software at all.
Maybe it's nice to sy that Ralph did everything to prevent the ppc.library from being terminated by WarpOS. Therefore he implemented a nice "feature" in his firmware to crash AmigaOS when WarpOS tried to terminate the ppc.library.
WarpOS had to work around this and introduced terminator setting 2. It's pretty amazing that warpOS works at all. If it's not stable on your system then check out my other comment.
But if you want to run MorpOS then it's your choice. But don't spam amiga compagnies with mad emails about no MorphOS support for application X Y and Z :)
Amigaone news : Comment 26 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Casey R Williams):
"CRW" == "Casey R Williams" writes:
CRW> whereas MorphOS, good as
CRW> it may be, seems directed toward the small number of PPC cards
CRW> currently in use.
It is not. It is currently developped on those cards because they
*exist*, but the goal of MorphOS has always been to move to new
hardware. It's just that S.Haeuser conveniently forgets about things
when he wants to make a point.
CRW> I'd like to see MorphOS running on something with a
CRW> little more penetration than that. At least when a nice standalone
CRW> Amiga finally ships new users won't have to buy 9-year-old computers
CRW> before even choosing a PPC processor.
CRW> But wasn't the MorphOS idea tied in with bPlan or Escena or someone?
Yes, bPlan. Escena is the company that was supposed to make a Zorro
PPC card years ago, and that would be supported only by WarpUp. It
was a major reason why we all had to forget ppc.lib ASAP. This card
was arriving really, really, soon. It was certain: SH had *insider
informations* about it.
Amigaone news : Comment 27 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Casey R Williams):
bPLAN seems related to RIP Phase5. So it's not hard to make a link on this one :)
Yes, Ralph said somewhere that MorphOS will run on bPlan PPC board, but with no software support, you'll go for AmigaDE anyway :)
Or MorphOS has that really nice gui design that you want to stare at the "workbench" all day :)
Amigaone news : Comment 28 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amian on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
You mean like: stick to PowerUP!, the BlizzardG4 is comming really soon, just preorder it and pay 50% now. It will be put on a neutral bank account just in case bla bla bla...
We know what happened next...
Or...was the BlizzardPPC supposed to support WarpOS 2? damn I forgot about that....Ralph?
Amigaone news : Comment 29 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Amifan):
I can't believe anyone still believe these incredibly lame, obviously constructed rumours...
They are so obvious concoctions to somehow "justify" the rather uncalled for reverse engineering of ppc.library.
I ask you, what was the reason for even considering making WarpOS in the first place? PowerUP worked, software using it worked, and if there were some problems with either software or PowerUP itself the logical approach would be to send in bugreports so that these problems could be resolved. Instead they did something as lame as starting development of a new kernel and inciting a kernel-war...
And don't come with stupid arguments like "But thanks to WarpOS we have Warp3D, and blablabla", because without WarpOS these would have been developped for PowerUP instead, and what do you know, suddenly there would never have been any kernel-war to whine about!
..if only certain ppl had tried to co-operate and say what was wrong/missing or whatever, our lives would be so much easier right now, and we wouldn't have these tons of silly posts about "My kernel is better than your kernel" and so and so forth.
I'm fed up with this crap .. EOD.
Amigaone news : Comment 30 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
erm....PowerUP is tied to P5 hardware. WarpOS is hardware independant.....It was one of the main goals.
Futhermore the author of WarpOS was disappointed by the speed of PowerUP. And how thinks were implemented
Somthink called Warp3D for PowerUP?? Gee there's the rave3d.library.
Stupid comment by the way....
If there was no other CPU, we were using all the same CPU and there was no AMD vs. Intel war or x86 vc. PPC or or...
What about Operationg systems?
It's all about choice, scalability and licences.
The "serious" amiga developers did choose for WarpOS, so the WAR is over and did you or I as user hav to choose between WarpOS or PowerUP now?
Everything you want is available for WarpOS or 68K so what's your point?
But to finish of your comment: There's AmigaOS, so why start an OS war by developing MorphOS?
Amigaone news : Comment 31 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ralph Schmidt):
Hmmm, I have difficulties making my brain understand how a HW bug could cause memory allocation with only special flags and only in larger amounts crash the machine? Something I missed?
Amigaone news : Comment 32 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
Hi!
1. H&P did *not* reengineer ppc.library. WarpOS was based on the PowerPC
documentation from Motorola. The only thing which was taken from
ppc.lib was a handful of register addresses. A lot of features (like
dynamic scheduling) appeared for WarpOS before ppc.library had them,
BTW.
2. Sure, MorphOS people are doing work also, but so do the H&P people.
That they do not release the stuff for public download does not mean
they do not do work on it...
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 33 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
Hi!
Concerning Escena: And I was not wrong about the Escena Board then...
guess on what developement the AmigaOne bases ? Yes, it is basing
on the Escena Brainstormer, though a lot of things have been changed
(for example CPU-Board instead of Zorro-based, and PCI/AGP/USB Support).
Reaons why the Board did not appear before? Well, when Phase 5 and Metabox
where telling dealers about their upcoming G3 Boards, they tended to
believe the commercial companies more than they would the rather unknown
Escena. The Brainstormer was in a quite progressed state. But things like
building prototypes costs a lot of money. But then at the end the P5
and Metabox boards did not come either... but technically it would not
have been a problem to finish these Boards... the technics was not
the problem. How should I guess at that time where I told about the
Brainstormer, that P5 and MB would make a lot of advertising for
a vapor-product? I still hoped the really existing technology would
come through, not being killed by the vapor-products back then...
well, and at the end it DOES now, even if under a different name and
with features and everything changed a lot :)
Luckily Mr.Redhouse picked up the developement with EyeTech. And also
luckily he decided for some changes. A Zorro3 based PPC Board would not
be up to the time anymore, as it is not sure how long Zorro 3 will
still exist.
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 34 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Steve):
FYI: Realsoft 3D will use Warp3D for hardware acceleration (what else?), so your statement is wrong - unless you want software rendering only, which means that things will get *very* slow for complex scenes.
You could argue that you are not interested in Realsoft3D, to which I say I don't care, the point was that Warp3D is for 3D hardware acceleration, which isn't exclusively tied to games.
Best regards, Hans-Joerg.
Amigaone news : Comment 35 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
Sigbjørn Skjæret wrote:
> And don't come with stupid arguments like "But thanks to WarpOS we have
> Warp3D, and blablabla", because without WarpOS these would have been
> developped for PowerUP instead, and what do you know, suddenly there would
> never have been any kernel-war to whine about!
Listen, I usually stay out of these stupid fruitless endless discussions about WarpUP vs. PowerUP. vs MorphOS, because I think that every user should be mature enough to decide for *himself* what suits him best. I never used Warp3D to argue pro WarpUp, so please, would you leave it out of the contra WarpUp argumentation? Thank you.
*WE* developed Warp3D, and *we* selected the PPC system we wanted to support. You are not in a position to judge if we would have done the same thing for PowerUp. WarpUp and Warp3D are two different entities (FYI, there are PowerUp programs using Warp3D, the 68k side is *not* tied up to WarpUp at all).
If I think you are mature enough to choose your kernel/os, would you *please* acknowledge that *I* am mature enough to choose *mine*? Now thank you *very* much.
End of discussion.
Amigaone news : Comment 36 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Steve):
Steve, if you have a problem with running Heretic 2, you should contact us at Hyperion and we will try to identify and cure the problem.
Making accusations about WarpOS isn't going to solve the problem in any way.
Heretic 2 is extremely stable if you have sufficient memory to avoid memory fragmentation which might cause crashes on 64MB machines. Until we have VM, there is nothing that can be done about that.
Best regards,
Ben Hermans
Amigaone news : Comment 37 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Steve):
Warp3D will also be used by Real3D, so it's not games only.
Amigaone news : Comment 38 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:
"Listen, I usually stay out of these stupid fruitless endless discussions about WarpUP vs. PowerUP. vs MorphOS, because I think that every user should be mature enough to decide for *himself* what suits him best. I never used Warp3D to argue pro WarpUp, so please, would you leave it out of the contra WarpUp argumentation? Thank you."
Whoa, hold your horses .. this was not a stab at Warp3D development in *any* way!
..the point I was trying to make was that many ppl seem to think that without WarpOS there wouldn't have been AppXXX, and all I'm saying is that if they just allow themselves time to think they would realize that without WarpOS that app would most likely have been for PowerUP instead .. so making claims that "Without WarpOS we wouldn't have had AppXXX" etc are futile...
I guess I should have used the term AppXXX instead, as I was not aiming to offend you, and I think Warp3D is a great product in all respects, I was just trying to prematurely fend off any illogical claims.
Amigaone news : Comment 39 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 09-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I have exactly the same problems as the guy to whom you answered. WarpUp software like NCoder/Rc5 etc keep locking the system sometimes. And as you mentioned, I DO have Executive (unregged though) installed and I DO have problems with AHI also. THANKS for the information, I have to remove it and try again :-D
Amigaone news : Comment 40 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Franklin Cheney on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
There might be some low-level bean-counter type at
Microsoft who sometimes monitors these threads of
computer-dwarf wars. But I agree with Matt...quit
whining and wasting away, and find something that each of these
systems does better than the Microsoft solution, and
enjoy it. Then support Warp and Morph, and QNX and DE
and all other quality alternatives. Gates has enuff former
Amiga cash in his trough as it is
Amigaone news : Comment 41 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ville Sarell):
Hi!
I use NCoder regularly and never had any problems with it (I think to remember, though,
that it runs unstable if a ppc.library program runs somewhere in background,
at least someone stated once so... but I do not have any ppc.library programs
running, so I cannot say anything about this :) ). Also other WOS-native MP3 encoders
run absolutely stable (like lame).
I never had a problem with RC5 (though I
am currently not using it), at least not the WarpOS Version of it, which I
used for some time. I do not have Executive installed which you mentioned.
Of AHI I have still quite an old version (especially not that so-called AHI PPC
versions, which only have a PPC Native Mixing - most PPC programs do their
own Mixing anyways... so they do not profit of AHI PPC, excluding maybe some
MP3-Players).
Steffen
Amigaone news : Comment 42 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
if have not running so much patches especially no hard ones. Only ToolsDaemon, MagicMenu
Cyberpatcher and the OS3,9 parts, its nearly a clear OS3,9 installation.
re: Steffen Haeuser...I also prefer a native PPC OS which supports future WarpOS versions
??? what a senseless statement. Who needs that library crap anymore when we have a native PPC OS? I hope
all that sucking war between WarpDown and Powerup is over then. For what purpose should
someone continue developing WarpOs or PowerUp applications?
MorphOs is already a native PPC solution why don`t you take this? Everything you
need is already running natively on MorphOs.
MorphOs has a PPC kernal, native Exec, native RTG, GUI, aso
also WarpDown, PowerUp and 68K Emulation.
Why the heck you still count on that WarpOS f... ? I can`t understand this. You should
support what is the best for the community and not the best for one company from Glashütz or so.
Amigaone news : Comment 43 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
As someone said previously : it's no use complaining about WarpOS/Morphos/WhateverOS.
See what's coming, express your opinion on what it can do, what it offers and that's all.
I'm afraid these kind of "discussions" frightens the last remaining "non-pro" Amiga users...
Amigaone news : Comment 44 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Steve):
> MorphOs has a PPC kernal, native Exec, native RTG, GUI
> You should support what is the best for the community
> and not the best for one company
The GUI is uckin fugly with the menu on the window of the program rather than the top of the screen, just makes the whole thing feel like a windows wanna-be system. The only reason why they did that was for licensing limitations of the 3.1 rom and the hidden menu system of the AmigaOS system. What more could I want from MorphOS? I want uniformity with the current AmigaOS which would mean licensing the rom and paying for the rights... Of course if Amiga is not willing to offer the rights to Ralph & Co I can't accept MorphOS as a viable option to use with my Amiga. Till that time, I can't hold judgement.
total number of PowerUP programs on my system: 0
total number of WarpOS programs on my system: 15
Do the math.
Amigaone news : Comment 45 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (the man in the shadows):
New in MorphOS
*startbutton with shutdown capabilities
*Voyager integrated with system windows
:)
Maybe they should ask microsoft to port internet explorer and MS office :)
OK useless comment, but still.........
Amigaone news : Comment 46 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 10-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (the man in the shadows):
Do you have a problem to find the menu entry in the mui
config program with the following options ?
o os menus(for people like you)
o mouse popup
o mouse popdown
o window pulldown
o screen pulldown
And besides that...MorphOS has no special look(yet)...it looks
like you configured your AmigaOS.
Amigaone news : Comment 47 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 11-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Amifan):
> *Voyager integrated with system windows
Strike two. Cutting it pretty close there don't you think. Out of all of the browsers out there, V is my least favorite of them all. I should have the option to gut any and all Vapor products from MorphOS if it is to be a viable option. I'm still going to reserve judgement on the entire product until the full release though. Can't say the same for V, they've had multiple full releases.
Amigaone news : Comment 48 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 11-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (the man in the shadows):
I was just making suggestion how to make MorphOS a more windows look-alike :)
But it's very likely that if this "feature" is implemented, Ralph and his little friend from the Voyager browser (I alwas forget his name, just call him the inventive tooltype-name man :) ) will take care of it :)
Amigaone news : Comment 49 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 11-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Steve):
Hi!
I do not care about what is good for a certain company concerning "Amiga issues".
The Amiga itselves counts. And developements like the AmigaOne or Warp3D or
WarpOS or existing and upcoming PCI Boards are very good developements and will
help the Amiga to be again "in the play".
Steffen
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